Poll: Are Kids today taking School for granted?

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Cry Wolf

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Jonluw said:
OT: School is granted though. It's given to them for free, and they have to do absolutely nothing for the priviliege of going to school. It is granted to them.
No, it's forced on them. Most western education systems not only force attendance, but remove choice from the student in regards to study - for example, I was doing Italian and French for three years until I just stopped going, and neither language held any practical use in any of my aspirations. This stopped me doing ICT and humanities subjects which were on the same line that we're not only more enjoyable to me but more relevant to future career pathways.

There's also the ridiculous amount of arbitrary garbage and punishments dished out to saited teachers egos. I've been suspended because I was wearing an undershirt on a cold day. At a public school, gotten detentions for explaining key concepts to the work we were doing to other students ? the teacher was abysmal, one of those teachers who just takes resources from the internet and hands them out - and been reprimanded for solving IT problems at the school because I wasn't suppose to know things like the wireless password.

For some students, you've also got to look at the quality of education. I've had some terrible teachers in the past, and rather then sit there bored and wasting time I've elected to skip classes and study other subjects or learn things relevant to my interests. That said, this last part isn't exactly common, I'm just someone who enjoys learning and loathes high school.
 

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Dys said:
Sorry to be that guy, but school could not be more of a waste of time. Same goes for most higher ed (uni/college/tafe/whatever). Unless you're planning to do a 'professional' degree (by which I mean medicine, engineering, law etc) you're wasting your time, and even if you are planning on doing one such degree, the majority of what you do in school is a waste of your time.

If I had my way again, there's no way in fuck I'd sit through 6 years of secondary school. The manditory subjects (english, geography and history) are so poorly run they may as well not bother (not the fault of the teachers, but the curriculum is so bad it's nauseating), and they are mandatory for far too long (english is a mandatory class in your final year of highschool? If you can't read and write adequately by then, you don't belong in school).... they become abstract and, more annoyingly irrelevant to the overwhelming majority of students because they are mandatory longer than there is relevant content to teach. The maths is of such a low standard that anyone even remotely mathematically inclined could pick it up in a year or two if it was taught properly (or a few months if it was studied exclusively). The sciences are taught in such a simplistic (and biology oriented) manner that they are pointless (and often blatantly wrong). Overall far too much emphasis is put on keeping students out of the work force (hence why there is such a push for Tertiary level study, even though the things most people study serve no real purpose).

The only positive aspect of school is the social aspect, learning to communicate and work with or alongside other students. I truly can't stress how pointless the content is enough.
You totally have that from Cracked right?
I suppose somewhat, I have read that article and it is a rather neat parallel to my own well established views. Having known from a fairly young age I was going to do something related to mechanical, electrical or software design I was painfully aware of just how pointless pretty much all of school was.

Unlike the authors at cracked my cynicism and appreciation of just how pointless schooling was predating my Tertiary education (by quite a bit), and since those around me insisted I finish high school and go to university I had the good[footnote]Good in that I can work harder and longer to earn my piece of paper than my friends doing arts/business/IT and that it will take me a further 10 years upon completing my degree to earn the equivalent of my dropout mates who have done apprenticeships.[/footnote] sense to choose an engineering degree (which in Australia is a necessity for any practicing engineers). Unfortunately, having been aware of just how big of a waste of time school was I put very little time and effort into it, I will concede that not knowing how to study makes it very difficult to do well in a professional degree (or at least engineering)...But then again maybe if the school coursework wasn't so trivial that it could be consistently bluffed it wouldn't be an issue.........

The situation is a little different in Australia than it is to in the US, our universities are partially paid for by the public. The reasoning for keeping people studying is so that unemployment is artificially lowered (as oppose to squeezing those hapless young bastards for every cent they're worth, as seems to be the US mentality). Going on to get a degree here usually won't leave you with a mountain of debt (it is expensive, but if you are willing to be a cheapskate and save hard/live with parents you can actually pay it as you go fairly easily, and since the loan is to the government it has a really low interest rate).
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
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Only the Stoners probably
Only the (struck from the record) probably.

Oh, sorry. Was that an offensive, prejudicial and uninformed comment?
Way to ruin it, we were on a roll here. Of mountainslide quality :(
That comment was out of nowhere. It hit me like a ton of bricks.
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*cheers!* Well done! More more! I'd keep the ball rolling but my eyes are in permanent squint position from giggling so much, I cant see the screen properly ^^
 

BarskeLars

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I think they mostly take school for bricks, thats what they'r usually made of, as far as I have experienced...
 

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I hope to god that this person made this post with a massive dose of sarcasm and irony intended. Granite? Jesus christ. Let's ignore the fact that the message itself was rife with grammatical errors. I'm concerned for this kid, not just the generation as a whole.
 

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Here in America (specifically New York) I try my hardest in school and get high moderate to Good grades (amazing in Social Studies. :D) but I noticed many, seem to not give a damn in the world and just hang about, getting drunk, getting low grades, talking when teachers talk, just overall just not seeming to care that High School will have effect on their lives.

Many skip classes, go about doing stupid things, and just never seem to get the memo that they aren?t going to be successful. I school has made these PSA things about staying in class, doing work, etc, and while they?re cheesy, there true.

No matter it seems how much they push that school is important, it seems like many kids just don?t care and then walk away with their pants slightly down and thinking they?re ?gangster.? It just sickens me and I almost fear for our generation.

I can?t speak from experience but I assume it?s not as bad in foreign countries.
I said "maybe"

One thing you have to understand is that kids today are a bit more aware of reality than generations before them. In the US, which is the most highly educated country in the world (even if there are politically generated stats that dispute this) education has increasingly less value. In a competitive society jobs go to the best people out there, when everyone is educated the decent jobs go only towards people that have come from genius programs, or won various kinds of grants and scholorships. With the testing we have, your future is pretty much decided before you enter High School, odds are if nobody has pulled you out of the flock by then, it's not going to happen. There are some oppertunities to break out at that point, but they are few and far between, not to mention being competed for to a crazy degree.

People just don't buy all the self-validation "you can do anything" crap. The rut 97% of the people are going to wind up in doesn't require any kind of higher education, leadership skills, or anything else. Society needs far more ditch diggers and food preparation workers than managers, doctors, or lawyers, and of course nobody WANTS to do those jobs, especially when pumped full of high expectations by liberal self-validation programs.

It's kind of telling when your average High School student is learning Algebra or Geometry and asks their parents for help, only to find they don't have a clue about it, largely because while they learned it and will parrot how important it is, the skill pretty much decayed from lack of use.

I'm one of those people who understand the dangers, but is getting to the point where I think we need to adapt the public school system to operate in a more realistic fashion, and to prepare kids for the lives that actually await them. We still need the testing and the genius programs and such, but for the kids who don't get pulled aside that way, I think they need to be prepared for their future careers as janitors, ditch diggers, food prep workers, machine press operators, and similar things. You keep telling people their special, and it leads to depression when reality hits. What's more it leads to a lack of respect for the educational system, when kids realize this, and figure "why bother, this is all useless" which they are probably right about. As odd and dystopian as it sounds, I think most teenagers would benefit from learning how to operate machinery, rather than studying alegebra and other advanced mathematics. In a practical sense 99% of them probably won't remember the math 5 years after graduation, on the other hand I know from experience that kids hired to work in warehouses and such oftentimes have absolutly no idea how to handle something as simple as a pallet jack, and almost universally the newbie worker who has never handled one bumps it into something (with mixed results). Take a look at the dents in the walls in your average warehouse, a few of those come from each new worker, the veterans rarely causing that. The point is, that's a skill a teenager is liable to actually USE in the real world. Even doing a job like Security like me, I occasionally found a need to handle things like that.

In short I think education is taken for granted because in the US too much attention is spent on self validation, and people preparing kids "for success", and not enough time is spent on developing practical skills that are actually needed by ordinary people in the work force.

The arguement I'm making IS very much "dark future" fodder, dealing with an educated elite and a dedicated worker class, with people having desicians about their future made early on. I get why this is not a nice thing on a lot of levels, but it's practical, and sadly becoming nessicary.

I'll also say that one of the problems with our education system is that it's designed to waste time. It's primary focus seems increasingly to be keeping the youth occupied. In a society where BOTH parents tend to wind up having to work (ie there aren't many stay at home mons, or home makers) nobody wants gangs of kids and teenagers wandering residential areas while all the adults are at work.
 

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You are my new favorite person. I <3 geology puns. But yea absolutely. I know I didn't really appreciate it until high school. I think there's only so much you can do, especially when peer pressure and mainstream culture set in. Take an interest in your kid's classes, help them with homework, get them thinking about what they want to be, do fun things related to what they're learning. There's quite a bit that parents can do.
 

8-Bit Grin

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I've always taken school for ganted, and now I'm paying for it by flunking out the last month of my senior year.

How's that for On Topic suckitude?
 

Torrasque

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There are people actually taking this trollbait of a thread seriously?
=|

You all realize it is MONDAY right?
 

PatrickXD

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Oh God...
But yes I agree totally, about 80% of people take school for granted (and yes I pulled that percentage right out of my ass, based on experience)
 

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Adventurer2626 said:
You are my new favorite person. I <3 geology puns. But yea absolutely. I know I didn't really appreciate it until high school. I think there's only so much you can do, especially when peer pressure and mainstream culture set in. Take an interest in your kid's classes, help them with homework, get them thinking about what they want to be, do fun things related to what they're learning. There's quite a bit that parents can do.
And on a serious note, this is where it often fails.

The main reason kids are (to some degree) awful in school is because they dont care. There are two main reasons they dont.

1: They are bright enough to get through it without caring, and know that society is "safe"
2: Their parents have too little demands of them, and are busy making their kids "enjoy themselves"

I work as a teacher so I have some experience in the matter. The thing is that at a certain comfort point, it doesnt matter too much if you are a truck driver or a doctor (for MOST people). Some countries are so developed and rich that kids dont HAVE to have ambition anymore. Their life is going to be comfortable enough anyway. And I completely understand it.

That said I also agree with a previous poster that kids learn to much stupid unnecessary stuff nowadays. School should be more focused. Even pretty early on. And we should learn that treating people differently is not always a bad thing.

Now. Rock on.
 

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Don't bother youself with other peoples lives. It's their own fault and they'll realise it later in their lives. Also, you don't have to worry about the future generation, there are enough people who think ahead and now that school is important. You just notice the ones who don't care about school more because they're louder and attract more attention.
 

beema

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Well, I think I will have to vote "yes" considering you just asked if kids take school for a type of rock.

Please god tell me the title of this thread is intentional

RedEyesBlackGamer said:
You could say our education system has hit rock bottom.
LOL

best pun ever
 

thahat

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since everyone is already beating the op to death for his spelling mistakes and not correcting them, let me be the one who answers truthfully to the intended question:
yes we are. and we were, since the invention of the internet. and this is not a problem, as long as you get passing grades for the direction you wanted to go in.
i only wanted the 'higher tiered education' not university ( the problem is, it IS called university internationally. so there seem to be a lack of propper wording from dutch to english here XD ) so all i had to do was pass my havo ( higher common preparative education ? )
i did, with 7's 8's 9's and one 5 ( on my dutch, i lolled ) in my sleep. so yes, we do take it for granted, i think? i never actualy did anything till i started my ( for the sake of less confusion ) university.
 

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The school system at the moment is a mess. Teachers don't respect students, classes are boring and bullying is so prevalent it's insane. I'm not even surprised students don't take school seriously. Instead of making classes interesting the curriculum seems to be created for the sole purpose of making interesting subjects boring. Let's also not forget about how irrelevant arts and music are considered in school. They help you develop as a person and generally make you more creative which is a GOOD thing but unfortunately, no school takes them seriously except for specialized ones. There's also the fact that school is entirely about mechanical learning. You DO NOT understand what's being taught to you, you simply nod, memorize everything you wrote down and hope nothing stumps you. Students would do a lot better if the curriculum was made in such a way as to promote actual research in such a way to get the students to understand rather than force them to basically memorize an entire notebook worth of information.