YOU NINJA!Polaris19 said:
I GOING TO KI-
Wait, could I get hit by Obama's banhammer?
Umm...
*Pats Polaris*
Poll: banned from America , is this fair?
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I GOING TO KI-
Wait, could I get hit by Obama's banhammer?
Umm...
*Pats Polaris*
i find it quite ridiculas! if this british guy got threatened and insulted by an american no one would do jack all, but if an american is threatened, OH NO Call the army! besides if this british guy had any national pride he eouldn't visit the states any ways. heck, i am canadien and i hate the usa(not specific people, just the general philosophy of the country)
Regardless, it's still restricting what you can say. Also things like libel, you can't make insult or make up lies about whoever you want.Bruin said:
Freedom of Speech in all western countries is just a lie, people who think they have it are just media-toys.
That makes no sense. I'm not a lawyer so I can't argue this point on basis of facts, but how can a country hold visitors to its laws but not grant visitors its provisions?rebus_forever said:
If I go to America and murder a bunch of people they're not going to let me off since their rights and laws only apply to Americans. Similarly, they're not going to set me alight with napalm at the airport because I am granted rights even though I'm not their citizen.
It doesn't make sense to say that visitors can be held to American laws but not protected by them.
Yeah! I hereby declare that from this day forward, Barack Obama's name shall officially be "Snookypoos"!thenumberthirteen said:
No, not "regardless", because screaming fire and having a stampede of people in a movie theater trample somebody is murder.lostzombies.com said:
If you want to be correct, I'll let you be--You are correct. It's a limitation to your freedom of speech. But is it a limitation to my freedom to walk around wherever I want to sit outside your house with plastic explosives strapped to my back?
What's funny about your last statement is that the press is one of the biggest forms of freedom of speech. It's the sign that America is still free when people can criticize their government and even themselves. Nobody is forcing you to believe what the media says. Just as nobody is forcing you to slurp down all that conspiracy bullshit.
It strikes me as odd that so many are confusing "freedom of speech" with "freedom to say whatever the fuck I want with absolutely no consequences".
Picture it this way...you're walking down the street after having a few pints, checking out various shops, and spy a shopkeeper outside his establishment. You proceed to unleash a string of verbal abuse, tell this particular shopkeeper how much you hate his shop, his management style, and his haircut.
Then you act surprised when he bars your way as you try and walk through the door.
Moral(s) of this story:
a. Why would (or should, for that matter) any of the rights or privileges that citizens of another country enjoy be extend to foreigners? Seriously, it boggles the mind that it bothers any of you that this tea-drinker wasn't extended the same rights as his Miller Lite pounding cousins.
b. You are always allowed to say whatever you want to say. Just don't be surprised if you get banned from the club (or popped in the mouth) for saying it. Really, this should be common sense...
Picture it this way...you're walking down the street after having a few pints, checking out various shops, and spy a shopkeeper outside his establishment. You proceed to unleash a string of verbal abuse, tell this particular shopkeeper how much you hate his shop, his management style, and his haircut.
Then you act surprised when he bars your way as you try and walk through the door.
Moral(s) of this story:
a. Why would (or should, for that matter) any of the rights or privileges that citizens of another country enjoy be extend to foreigners? Seriously, it boggles the mind that it bothers any of you that this tea-drinker wasn't extended the same rights as his Miller Lite pounding cousins.
b. You are always allowed to say whatever you want to say. Just don't be surprised if you get banned from the club (or popped in the mouth) for saying it. Really, this should be common sense...
Right, yeah. Except that the Bill of Rights includes things like the fifth and sixth amendments which, according to you, don't apply to non-US citizens so my argument still stands. If I come to American as a non-American I don't get due process or trial by jury, a cop can just walk up to me and shoot me in the face because I'm not covered by those rights.Mornelithe said:
I would have had more respect for America if Obama had emailed back: "Yeah? Well fuck you too, buddy!"
The guy did something rather daft but the punishment seems a little harsh. I'm heading back to the States next year. Maybe if I email Obama and tell him what a great guy he is and how much I love him, I'll be able to skip customs...
Wardy
The guy did something rather daft but the punishment seems a little harsh. I'm heading back to the States next year. Maybe if I email Obama and tell him what a great guy he is and how much I love him, I'll be able to skip customs...
Wardy
When you're in the U.S, you're protected by the rights offered to every human being.Mornelithe said:
We have natural rights here--rights entitled to every person in our country regardless of whether they're American or not.
When you make threats to the president and the FBI gets ahold of them, American or not, you're going to get looked at, as I said before.
America: the World's Largest Forum.
Are we getting all the fact's here? I highly doubt he got banned for calling Obama a prick. I have friends who do that on a daily basis. Did he ever threaten the President's life? Because...you know...that's bad and junk.
Are we getting all the fact's here? I highly doubt he got banned for calling Obama a prick. I have friends who do that on a daily basis. Did he ever threaten the President's life? Because...you know...that's bad and junk.
Blatantly irresponsible speech (shouting "Fire!" in a theater) isn't protected, slander can get you sued, lying under oath can get you arrested, and MAKING DEATH THREATS, particularly to the President of the United States, can also land you a set of negative consequences.
Freedom of Speech is not absolute people, in ANY country.
Freedom of Speech is not absolute people, in ANY country.
I never had this pegged as an issue of "free" speech, I had it pegged as an issue of the FBI over reacting, the idea that people can be punished for voicing an opinion wasn't even in question, if someone called me a prick and said they wanted to punch me i very much doubt I could ban them from my town, the FBI nor Obama own the USA and as far as i see the gripe was with an individual.
Still at least bush isnt still in charge or there might be a sudden revelation that the kid had wmd which would probably amount to our lap dog leaders helping the usa invade ourselves, that would've been messed up.
Still at least bush isnt still in charge or there might be a sudden revelation that the kid had wmd which would probably amount to our lap dog leaders helping the usa invade ourselves, that would've been messed up.
