Poll: banned from America , is this fair?

[rebus_forever]

I never had this pegged as an issue of "free" speech, I had it pegged as an issue of the FBI over reacting, the idea that people can be punished for voicing an opinion wasn't even in question, if someone called me a prick and said they wanted to punch me i very much doubt I could ban them from my town, the FBI nor Obama own the USA and as far as i see the gripe was with an individual.

Still at least bush isnt still in charge or there might be a sudden revelation that the kid had wmd which would probably amount to our lap dog leaders helping the usa invade ourselves, that would've been messed up.

It wasn't his opinion that got him banned, it was making threats to the president.

Do that to anybody and you'll get punished.

so when someone, a real threat to the USA decides to say down with the USA and such the FBI send a local Iranian bobby round to ask him not to do it again? i think not, they clearly understood the fact this kid posed no real threat and still decided to go postal.
if i reacted this degree of retardation when my niece play fights with me she would be in a young offenders institute, imagine playing snakes and ladders with these guys and doing a little cheat, u would be screwed.

I didn't understand the first sentence.

I don't think it was a "kid". I think it was a grown man.

You don't fucking piss off the FBI. My god, you're talking about the agency that puts hits out on people as if they're folks who will always give you the benefit of the doubt.

no deffo a teenage boy and u make my point wonderfully, if the people who "call hits" cant tell the difference, oh dear.
the first sentence was me comparing the types who will always condemn America and burn your flag arnt to a kid who insults a politician.

 

[sp86]

The stories been going around the tubes in essentially this form, the first I read of it was from the Daily Mail, most of their reporting is garbage anyhow, and other distributors may just be copy-pasting them.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

Ugh. I love it when people don't read and jump to conclusions.
He got banned from America for threatening the president. He was drunk, had been smoking weed and was watching about conspiracy theories. These are things we know. We also know him calling the president a prick is not what got him banned and that when questioned about it, he fairly openly said that he had done it.
We don't know what he actually said. He could've threatened to kill the president, he could've said he wanted revenge for 9/11 or he could've made some shit up about planting a bomb. We don't know. So we don't know if the punishment is fair.

And another thing, people complaining about Obama because of this? Please. You think Obama reads what comes into his public email account? He probably doesn't even know this happened.

 

[Comma-Kazie]

Yes. We have enough idiots over here already without importing any more.

 

[sp86]

[snip]

Fair or not, entrance into any sovereign state is at the discretion of that state. He rendered himself an undesirable and now he has to live with the consequences, even if they don't directly affect him. Though I can't imagine someone from the FBI calling up every employer he has in the future and mentioning that he threatened the President of the US will be a big boon for him.

 

[Bruin]

I never had this pegged as an issue of "free" speech, I had it pegged as an issue of the FBI over reacting, the idea that people can be punished for voicing an opinion wasn't even in question, if someone called me a prick and said they wanted to punch me i very much doubt I could ban them from my town, the FBI nor Obama own the USA and as far as i see the gripe was with an individual.

Still at least bush isnt still in charge or there might be a sudden revelation that the kid had wmd which would probably amount to our lap dog leaders helping the usa invade ourselves, that would've been messed up.

It wasn't his opinion that got him banned, it was making threats to the president.

Do that to anybody and you'll get punished.

so when someone, a real threat to the USA decides to say down with the USA and such the FBI send a local Iranian bobby round to ask him not to do it again? i think not, they clearly understood the fact this kid posed no real threat and still decided to go postal.
if i reacted this degree of retardation when my niece play fights with me she would be in a young offenders institute, imagine playing snakes and ladders with these guys and doing a little cheat, u would be screwed.

I didn't understand the first sentence.

I don't think it was a "kid". I think it was a grown man.

You don't fucking piss off the FBI. My god, you're talking about the agency that puts hits out on people as if they're folks who will always give you the benefit of the doubt.

no deffo a teenage boy and u make my point wonderfully, if the people who "call hits" cant tell the difference, oh dear.
the first sentence was me comparing the types who will always condemn America and burn your flag arnt to a kid who insults a politician.

"College student."

That means he's (most likely) not a teenager or a boy, even legally.

I'm not the director of the FBI.

He made a threat against the president of the United States and he's thusly not allowed to enter the United States. How is that so hard to comprehend?

 

[ninjajoeman]

he did threaten him which would be illegal if you did that to anyone.

 

[VanityGirl]

Someone used my ban button

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Hehehe

 

[Ziadaine_v1legacy]

it's a shame about the ban, but that has made my day. kudos to you rebus_forever.

 

[Get_A_Grip_]

So much for "Freedom of Speech".
Hey, in Ireland we get away with calling our taoiseacht a drunken fuck.

 

[Bruin]

So much for "Freedom of Speech".
Hey, in Ireland we get away with calling our taoiseacht a drunken fuck.

You're Irish, you can get away with anything with your accents.

 

[rebus_forever]

I never had this pegged as an issue of "free" speech, I had it pegged as an issue of the FBI over reacting, the idea that people can be punished for voicing an opinion wasn't even in question, if someone called me a prick and said they wanted to punch me i very much doubt I could ban them from my town, the FBI nor Obama own the USA and as far as i see the gripe was with an individual.

Still at least bush isnt still in charge or there might be a sudden revelation that the kid had wmd which would probably amount to our lap dog leaders helping the usa invade ourselves, that would've been messed up.

It wasn't his opinion that got him banned, it was making threats to the president.

Do that to anybody and you'll get punished.

so when someone, a real threat to the USA decides to say down with the USA and such the FBI send a local Iranian bobby round to ask him not to do it again? i think not, they clearly understood the fact this kid posed no real threat and still decided to go postal.
if i reacted this degree of retardation when my niece play fights with me she would be in a young offenders institute, imagine playing snakes and ladders with these guys and doing a little cheat, u would be screwed.

I didn't understand the first sentence.

I don't think it was a "kid". I think it was a grown man.

You don't fucking piss off the FBI. My god, you're talking about the agency that puts hits out on people as if they're folks who will always give you the benefit of the doubt.

no deffo a teenage boy and u make my point wonderfully, if the people who "call hits" cant tell the difference, oh dear.
the first sentence was me comparing the types who will always condemn America and burn your flag arnt to a kid who insults a politician.

"College student."

That means he's (most likely) not a teenager or a boy, even legally.

I'm not the director of the FBI.

He made a threat against the president of the United States and he's thusly not allowed to enter the United States. How is that so hard to comprehend?

toms isnt the only place, and fair enough with the boy thing though im not comfortable referring to him as a man either, I question the validity of the whole incident, i dont believe much that comes from the daily express or the daily star ive spent a while trying to find out who owns these papers to enable a fairer interpretation of the motives behind the publishing i thought it was a Murdock publication but regardless, my emphasis is that there are many more credible threats, if they perceived it as credible why get some street bobbies to visit him or if they didn't consider him a real threat why ban him?

don't get me wrong I don't think the kid is "kewel" and as it goes I like Obama but as others have stated I think this is more about the FBI and a British teenager than the state or Obama.

i posted for lols and to see what others thought, i respond to try and keep things toned down and hopefully moderate to some extent.

 

[BGH122]

That's not valid, the entire reason Guantanamo exists is to get around US law. It can't be considered representative.

Uh, what? Guantanamo Bay is American soil. Therefore, subject to US Law. They made it there, because it's actually away from mainland America.

They get around US Law by farming out interrogations to countries that don't have strict Human Rights laws. I thought this was common knowledge.

I'm from the UK. Guantanamo bay is vaguely known to most people over our side, but not its exact working. I'd always presumed it was off US soil.

Nonetheless, the actual illegal stuff they get done off US soil, right?

 

[Zamn]

This is ridiculous.

I presume the FBI is going to eject Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh from the United States for insulting the president too?

 

[kickyourass]

While I can't really say this for certain without knowing what specifically was said in the email, but if it's true that the email contained threats to the president, then YES he should be kept out of the country.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

[snip]

Fair or not, entrance into any sovereign state is at the discretion of that state. He rendered himself an undesirable and now he has to live with the consequences, even if they don't directly affect him. Though I can't imagine someone from the FBI calling up every employer he has in the future and mentioning that he threatened the President of the US will be a big boon for him.

Exactly. I'm fairly sure that there's a hefty number of terror suspects which are not allowed to fly into the US. In fact I know there is. I mean, look at it this way. You can laugh at him, say he was drunk and a conspiracy theorist, but then he walks into the Discovery Channel building with a gun.

As for how they stop them entering, I'm fairly sure that when you check-in for a flight, they scan your records to make sure you're allowed to fly. I could be wrong, but I remember hearing a story about someone who had a name similar to a terror suspect and he got told he couldn't fly.

 

[Deathkingo]

Actually, we Americans don't have TOTAL freedom of speech. For example we can't yell "fire" in a theatre when there's not a blah, blah, blah. You also can't REALLY say what you like towards the president, but the only thing you really cannot do is threaten him. You should be able to call him anything you want to, though. Rubbish...

 

[lostzombies.com]

You are correct. It's a limitation to your freedom of speech.

thankyou, that's all I was saying.