Poll: Best Excuse to be a Villain
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you can find most motives and justifications of why to be a hero or a villain in the Dark night!
The way I see it, revenge can be the most serious of motives for all the non-criminally insane to turn evil, for the second of course there need be no excuse
The way I see it, revenge can be the most serious of motives for all the non-criminally insane to turn evil, for the second of course there need be no excuse
My favorite reason: Spite. Nothing says 'evil' quite like "that's it, now all you m________ers are gunna DIE!", especially when the cause and effect don't quite line up perfectly...
Actually, I have justification for this too. I believe that everything is a shade of gray, light cannot exist without evil etc. Without the evil, the good turns into evil. Without the good, the evil destroys itself. And without those whiney brats crying over their christmas presents, I'm happier.
I'm not really the evil type to be completely honest... I just... tend to lean that way, I guess. Purely coincidental, I promis! Although I don't really think I'm on the wrong side of the teeter-totter either... I'm a Necessary Evil.
Actually, I have justification for this too. I believe that everything is a shade of gray, light cannot exist without evil etc. Without the evil, the good turns into evil. Without the good, the evil destroys itself. And without those whiney brats crying over their christmas presents, I'm happier.
I'm not really the evil type to be completely honest... I just... tend to lean that way, I guess. Purely coincidental, I promis! Although I don't really think I'm on the wrong side of the teeter-totter either... I'm a Necessary Evil.
Cali, Why would they? Some villains, sure, would think the whole world is evil. Some just don't care. They know that what they're doing is generally considered evil, they just don't care. It's not that the rest of the world is evil, it's just that their own interests take precedence.
Right and wrong, good and evil, are all perspectives. Evil people are evil because their view of right differs from what's acceptable by the majority. Evil people don't think they are evil, they think everyone else is wrong and what they're doing is right.Silver said:
There's a word for people who do something considered "evil" because it's "evil": Attention Whores.
Stop ignoring the point.Caliostro said:
First off, there's variety. People do stuff for different reasons. Secondly, there's smart people. People smart enough to realise that they are "evil". Thirdly, some people are really selfish and lack compassion. Even if what they are doing is "evil" they wouldn't stop, because it doesn't matter to them that other people get hurt. They don't think that they're doing the right thing. They know they're not. Some believe that they're not doing anything wrong. Other's just don't care.
Take a thief. A thief probably knows that stealing is wrong, they still do it. Not because they think society is evil, or that the laws are wrong, or they're right, but because they think their own wallet is more important than the property of whoever they're stealing from. (Yes, I am perfectly aware that there are people who steal because they "have to" or for justified reaons, I'm not talking about them.)
This is the same thing, just on a grander scale. Some people, just. Don't. Care. It's not that hard a concept to grasp. And even if many villains or people justify what they are doing with another moral compass, SOME just don't care. They don't have to. They think they're more important than the victims of whatever they are doing. They don't justify it. They don't think they're doing the right thing. They know they're wrong. It doesn't matter.
K, let me untangle that for you:Silver said:
Imagine I hold a gun to your head cause you threatened to say something or otherwise hurt me/someone else I care about, whatever. For whatever reason, at that point, your existence was a threat to me. I may know killing is wrong, I may find killing to be wrong, but if I see killing you as justifiable, then killing YOU is right at that time. Exigent circumstances demanded I took an action I'd usually see as wrong, as evil, and use it, because it was right to do so, because to me it was the right thing to do. Nobody ever does anything they know it's the wrong thing to do. They might feel the action by itself is wrong, but in that context they believe it's right.
In your example the thief still steals because he sees it as appropriate, in his mind he HAS to... For whatever reason.
And people who don't care that they're evil still don't find themselves to be evil. They think they're right, they just don't care what other people think because to them everyone else is just ignorant. We all act on the same basic principle, the same fundamental logic. Everything we do can be defined simply and accurately by: "Because it was the best thing to do at the time".
Even the attention whores who do bad things because they're bad, even those pathetic people who do things so others see them as bad, they do so because they think it's right. Those people aren't evil, they're just...Sad... They want attention.
I like a villain whose motivation is kept secret. The G-man from Half Life 2 is my favorite villain, and I still have no idea why he keeps messing with the situation that humanity is going through. He did say that "it will all make sense in the course of, well... I'm really not at liberty to say. In the meantime, this is where I get off". I really can't wait to see the ending to the half life series.
Cali, dear. You're still ignoring the point. There are people out there that do things they know are wrong. There are other people out there with no moral compass whatsoever, to which every action is only a risk/gain ratio.
In my example the thief didn't have to steal, it was just more convinient. There are people like that.
There are people to whom human life is just a statistic, and money is another one. They know killing is wrong, but as long as it nets them money, that's okay, screw the rest.
They don't think they're doing the right thing. They know they're doing something immoral. You're talking about normal people. People that aren't screwed up, and whose intentions are in the right place. You're talking about people with a moral compass. There are both people without a moral compass whatsoever (psychopaths for example, and some other disabilities) and people who just don't give a damn.
Then there's also the people who believe their own satisfaction from something normal society considers wrong is more important than doing what's right. A rapist doesn't believe that raping someone is the right thing to do, or that it's not wrong. That it's wrong becomes secondary. It's not the best thing to do at the time, it's just more pleasurable than not doing it. The same logic could be applied to people cheating on their spouses or partners. Sure, they know it's wrong, they know it's not necessary, but it's exciting, and fun. And that becomes more important.
That's two different examples of setting morals aside. In the second example because what's right or wrong is secondary to other things. In the first example because morals just aren't important enough.
I'd hate to burst your bubble. If you want to keep believing everyone, especially in both RL and fiction, is a nice person that always tries to do the right thing, then sure. Keep it up. Just watch out becase there's some really fucked up people out there who couldn't care less if they're doing something wrong. And if they're smart enough to KNOW they're doing something wrong, they're even worse.
I won't respond anymore. I've made my points clear enough already. And whatever you may want to believe doesn't really matter, on this subject. This isn't personal beliefs we're debating.
In my example the thief didn't have to steal, it was just more convinient. There are people like that.
There are people to whom human life is just a statistic, and money is another one. They know killing is wrong, but as long as it nets them money, that's okay, screw the rest.
They don't think they're doing the right thing. They know they're doing something immoral. You're talking about normal people. People that aren't screwed up, and whose intentions are in the right place. You're talking about people with a moral compass. There are both people without a moral compass whatsoever (psychopaths for example, and some other disabilities) and people who just don't give a damn.
Then there's also the people who believe their own satisfaction from something normal society considers wrong is more important than doing what's right. A rapist doesn't believe that raping someone is the right thing to do, or that it's not wrong. That it's wrong becomes secondary. It's not the best thing to do at the time, it's just more pleasurable than not doing it. The same logic could be applied to people cheating on their spouses or partners. Sure, they know it's wrong, they know it's not necessary, but it's exciting, and fun. And that becomes more important.
That's two different examples of setting morals aside. In the second example because what's right or wrong is secondary to other things. In the first example because morals just aren't important enough.
I'd hate to burst your bubble. If you want to keep believing everyone, especially in both RL and fiction, is a nice person that always tries to do the right thing, then sure. Keep it up. Just watch out becase there's some really fucked up people out there who couldn't care less if they're doing something wrong. And if they're smart enough to KNOW they're doing something wrong, they're even worse.
I won't respond anymore. I've made my points clear enough already. And whatever you may want to believe doesn't really matter, on this subject. This isn't personal beliefs we're debating.
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... well that was random. Psychosis is generally a mental disorder when somebody has a very poor grip on reality resulting in mental derangement.insanelich said:
First part right, it indeed is a poor grip on reality. Resulting in mental derangement? Both archaic and completely wrong.wewontdie11 said:
You're already insane if you experience psychosis.
More importantly, it doesn't result in "evil" behavior more often than other mental disorders do. The chances are you're a kook yelling on a soapbox much more likely than you're a villain. Psychopathy, accurately summarized as "a lack of conscience", is a much better way to explain "evil", even though it makes for utterly boring villains.