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griffinmills

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EcoEclipse said:
I thought the "SM" part in BDSM stood for sadomasochism?

Either way, no. I would never in my life try bondage of any sort. Or any other fetish, possibly because I don't have one.
Bondage Discipline Sadism Masochism, sometimes Dominance and Submission in the middle and then somehow still Sadism Masochism on the end anymore. BDSM lifestyle folks are generally very accepting people so they try to accommodate everyone even with their acronym!

Some quick definitions as they are generally used by the kinky community.
Bondage: Any kind of restraint, generally physical, from ropes to leather to steel manacles. Some folks are aroused by being restrained and some by doing the restraining.
Discipline: Teaching and/or correction. This can be simple things like having someone just sit quietly at your feet for a length of time or complicated schemes to teach them to serve and service someone in a variety of ways from domestic servitude and cleaning to sexual service and favors. B&D are the first place people tend to get hung up on this whole ting as a taboo or "kinky role playing" or whatever.
Sadism: Taking enjoyment from the infliction of pain or suffering. Some sadists don't care if the target of their attention enjoys their ministrations and others are generally bored if they aren't pushing boundaries and doing things their subject genuinely dislikes.
Masochism: Taking enjoyment from pain or suffering. This can be obvious things like being whipped or slapped, beaten, etc. or it can be denial of pleasures such as enforced chastity devices or even simple verbal humiliation. This is the second place people get hung up on, folks can generally understand Sadism but Masochism is, by it's very nature, self contradicting. How can you "like" something you "don't like? Must be something wrong with you!" It's a lot more complicated than that. Would you accuse someone that eats fast food of being a masochist? Doing harm to your body with fast food isn't something you should like though so you must be a masochist! See, it's complicated.
Dominance: Taking the position of control and power in a relationship. Every relationship has a top, whether kinky relationship or not. Who is the top can change, often even, but it's simply the concept that there is a top and a bottom to nearly all things in life. In mainstream media kink dominance is most often displayed by Dominatrix women taking control.
Submission: Taking the position of submissive or bottom, to be without power or control in a relationship. Lots of bottoms or "subs" like to give up the perceived responsibilities of being in control to the dominant gaining a freedom of a different sort.
Power Exchange: in the D/s (Dominant, submissive) relationship the giving and taking of power is often called power exchange. Lots of complicated things go on here. Bondage and Discipline are obvious ways to take, hold and exercise power over another. Dominance and submission are positions obtained through the exchange of power. Sometimes the submissive can try to take control through subtle means while not overtly coming out of their submissive position, this is often called "topping from the bottom" and can happen in any number of ways, too numerous to go into in a simple forum post, but it should give you a good idea of the layers of complication that go into BDSM relationships. Just because someone is apparently bound and helpless doesn't mean they aren't actually pulling the strings and controlling things to a degree not obvious to the casual observer!

My wife and I switch although we started out with me as the master and her as the submissive. I feel this is a natural progression and have seen it played out in a variety of kinky relationships over the last 10 years or so, but not always. This is simply because kinky couples, whether they are "out" or public or not, are taken from the same varied pool of human beings we all come from. This means you get conservatives and liberals, closed and open minded people, the whole gamut. The only reason I said they are "generally very accepting people" is because it's hard to go through the repression and general sex-negative attitudes and not come out the other side with a broader, open, mind without feeling hypocritical. Which is to say, the more you expose yourself and participate in the BDSM and other kinks society the more you'll realize we're all just regular people.

Example: For our anniversary my wife and I went to a BDSM retreat ran by a professional Dominant and her life partner. It had a completely "normal" front office but once you were out back there was plenty of equipment and dungeon themed bungalows to stay in. We spent our time chatting with other folks in a setting we know we wouldn't be judged or punished for having our kinky side known and out. Other couples included a former mayor and his part time CMT wife, a chef that teaches at an acclaimed culinary academy and his gay partner, a fellow that worked for the county as a construction inspector with his stay at home mom wife... and a couple who were in a 24/7 master and slave relationship meaning the guy had to sit on the floor or grass in restraints everywhere they went. Okay so the last couple may be a bit freaky for some folks but the rest were normal, successful, beautiful people who got up to some kinky, kinky stuff over the course of our stay.

For those of you having problems finding people to play or talk with I strongly recommend some online options. I met (lots of women and eventually) my wife through alt.com and there are other dating sites like it out there. Society of Janus was invaluable for me for learning and educating myself on the SSC (Safe, Sane and Consensual) aspects of playing with people in a variety of kinky manners. SoJ also holds "munches" where you go to a public place for lunch or dinner and talk with other like-minded people. This really helps reinforce the "you are not alone or weird" aspect of BDSM and kinky play. After that there are plenty of more specialized groups like Exiles or GMSMA for you to turn to once you figure out what you identify as.

Let me assure folks that they all have some kind of fetish or turn on and that it is completely natural and normal. It doesn't have to be what the mainstream considers "fetish" ala BDSM or leather or feet/shoes etc. It's also completely fine to not be turned on by BDSM. Try to think of the BDSM as a singular fetish under the larger umbrella of fetishes. Liking women with large breasts can be a fetish, liking dudes with large penises can be a fetish. Some of them are created and reinforced by society, particularly the last two I mentioned. Just try to keep an open mind to how simple and honest most kink and BDSM really is.:)
 

Agayek

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I can see why some people might like it, but it's not my thing. I just can't get into it.
 

Serenegoose

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
HA! Wow.....Defensive much? Seriously, I'm allowed to post in whatever topic I want...Just because my opinion doesn't match up with yours, that doesn't make invalid. Therefore, there's no reason why I shouldn't have posted it.

And anyway, why the hell should you care what I think? I mean, I happen to think that anyone who's into that stuff needs to have some creepy psychological issues, but, I ask....Why should that matter so much to you? Go ahead, go dominate some slaves, I'm not stopping you. I'm just weighing in with my, PERSONAL opinion. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you.
Hah, that's not me being defensive. There wasn't enough swearing for me being defensive. That's me being confrontational. And if you're going to be posting stuff like 'I happen to think that anyone who's into that stuff needs to have some serious psychological issues' then be prepared for someone to call you on your utterly uninformed manure. I'm not stopping you posting in this thread, I'm arguing with you about the fact that your views are wrong (most people into BDSM have no psychological issues to speak off). They don't get a pass on being wrong because they're 'just opinions'.

So go ahead, disagree away. I'm fine with that. I'll feel free to post my disagreement. Do I care what you think? Not overly, you'll never affect my life. I just wonder why you read a thread that you knew beforehand you'd find freaky just so you could be negative about the group of people involved. Seems a bit unnecessary, you know?
 

wastedyouth89

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Never pulled out the gags and whips but I've been with a girl or two who liked to be controlled. And honestly it can be a wild ride if you're willing to go along with it. Go ahead and pull some hair and call some obscene names and you may find yourself a new hobby.
 

Evilsanta

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I can see why some people might like it but it's just not my cup of tea. And as long as nobody gets hurt for real then it's ok.
 

crazypsyko666

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Given that I've already been the restrainer, I can say that it's okay in moderation. When you're considering buying a gimp suit, you know it's time to quit.
 

Johanthemonster666

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I love the idea of hand/feet bondage and other S&M stuff (minus the painful, extreme leather variety).

I'm very submissive in that regard, though I prefer the guy to be stronge and not afraid to get rough (while being gentle in some respects).

Sometimes I like to be the master, so it depends ;)
 

Mistermixmaster

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Let me get back to you on that after I've had "regular" sex, eh? ... Though, I shall not lie, both things does have certain... appeals. But then again, it would depend quite a bit on the partner too, right? (I'd probably end up as the submissive person because I'm not good at roleplaying). So I guess only time will tell.
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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Sassafrass said:
This is so off-topic but your Avatar has distracted me.... that is awesome.

OT: I've done a full round of the BDSM world, and I enjoy it when its with the right people. Although there are some aspects I do find a little bit... ah... pretentious? Seriously, go to a BDSM club or a fetish nite in a big city and just sit back and take stock of people. Some of them are cool, some of them are freaks (in a good way) and some are downright stuck up pretentious assjacks.
Meh, I've always been mostly accepting of other people's quirks but there are some things that can and will annoy me and that is pretentiousness.
 

Nosense

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mrphmrphmrphrmprmprrrmpr..... yea no not really into both to be honest but I just had to pick that answer :p
 

thahat

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dathwampeer said:
Why not? Can only broaden my experience. :D

Soon as she walks out with a strapon though I'm outa there.

Never underestimate a mans ability to break steel when threatened with sodomy.
this. also 'nooo my pooper' /run
 

TyphoidMary

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I dated a guy for three years and never brought up my desire to try it because he was too... Normal. The last guy I dated was very dominant in bed, and that was some of the absolute best sex I have ever had in my life. There really is nothing quite like letting someone else take complete control.

Normal sex is great and all, but I don't get quite the same enjoyment out of it. It's very freeing to put your trust in someone that way and to know that with a word you can make it stop (assuming you're smart enough to have established a word or phrase for that).
 

Dendred

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I find that there's very little skill involved with the s and m trade. Most times it's about a little pain (straps usally) and a toy of some sort. As for bondage, after you have the basics of how to tie the ropes theres not much to it. Though I have found that unlike s and m the master must know the sensitivitys of the human body enable to get the job done.

This is not to say that the whole role playing thing is not appealing but I can see it getting very lacluster after a while for the slave.

That is all
 

SimuLord

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Dendred said:
I find that there's very little skill involved with the s and m trade. Most times it's about a little pain (straps usally) and a toy of some sort. As for bondage, after you have the basics of how to tie the ropes theres not much to it. Though I have found that unlike s and m the master must know the sensitivitys of the human body enable to get the job done.

This is not to say that the whole role playing thing is not appealing but I can see it getting very lacluster after a while for the slave.

That is all
If that's the case then the master is doing it wrong. I find that "vanilla" gets real old real fast and tends to doom my relationships because I get bored if the girl doesn't want to play.
 

Dendred

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SimuLord said:
Dendred said:
I find that there's very little skill involved with the s and m trade. Most times it's about a little pain (straps usally) and a toy of some sort. As for bondage, after you have the basics of how to tie the ropes theres not much to it. Though I have found that unlike s and m the master must know the sensitivitys of the human body enable to get the job done.

This is not to say that the whole role playing thing is not appealing but I can see it getting very lacluster after a while for the slave.

That is all
If that's the case then the master is doing it wrong. I find that "vanilla" gets real old real fast and tends to doom my relationships because I get bored if the girl doesn't want to play.
Which master? S and m or bondage. Or where you refering to one that dose both?
 

SimuLord

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Dendred said:
SimuLord said:
Dendred said:
I find that there's very little skill involved with the s and m trade. Most times it's about a little pain (straps usally) and a toy of some sort. As for bondage, after you have the basics of how to tie the ropes theres not much to it. Though I have found that unlike s and m the master must know the sensitivitys of the human body enable to get the job done.

This is not to say that the whole role playing thing is not appealing but I can see it getting very lacluster after a while for the slave.

That is all
If that's the case then the master is doing it wrong. I find that "vanilla" gets real old real fast and tends to doom my relationships because I get bored if the girl doesn't want to play.
Which master? S and m or bondage. Or where you refering to one that dose both?
Neither. I'm referring to M/s (Master/slave) or total power exchange relationships. As I mentioned in an earlier post, I've never been one for leather-fetish stereotypes or the use of riding crops or any of that stereotypical S&M stuff, but defining the roles in a relationship such that I am the master and the girl is, by her own consent and intention, completely and utterly subservient to me is VERY thrilling and tends to lead to much greater intimacy between me and the girl.

If your only concept of BDSM is what you see in the popular media, then I strongly recommend reading the thread from post 1 to post 160. Apparently there are some quite kinky folks on here, and we're friendly and patient in explaining the lifestyle to outsiders.