Poll: Boycott Rage

[JediMB]

No matter how you spin it, a person can buy a used couch and sit on it or even...gasp...sleep on it without paying anything to the company that made the couch. It's called the used market and it's legal. Comparing it to piracy is a fallacy as piracy is not legal and no one here is condoning piracy. Condoning used game sales =/= condoning piracy.

Thing is, when you're paying for a couch you pay for the material and manufacturing of that particular couch.

When you're paying for a video game you're not paying for the case, the disc or the instruction booklet. You're paying for the right to utilize and experience the software delivered on the disc.

It's like paying for a lifetime ticket for an amusement park. You're not paying for the ticket itself, but rather what it provides you with.

Interesting isn't it. When you buy a couch, all of it belongs to you. The wood, the cloth, the foam cushions but when you buy software, you own nothing but a 50 cent disc, plastic case and a small book.

How does this help your argument?

No! In reality, you own that copy of the game and you can do anything you like with it. You can run over it with your car, you can sell it to Gamestop, sell it on eBay, give it to your little brother, use it as a drink coaster. You own it but you can't break copyright laws with it. Of course, with the couch, you own it but you can't break any laws with it either. Like you can't drop the couch on your friend, that would be a crime. You may own a car, but you can't break laws with it. You still own it though.

Get my point, being unable to copy it (other than a backup) doesn't mean you don't own it.

Your debating skills are so very bad. I see you've made a habit out of ignoring people's points and just focusing on one tiny part of their posts.

 

[Epona]

I pre-ordered RAGE.

And then I pre-ordered RAGE again.

Now I'm just considering pre-ordering a third copy to protest these ridiculous cries for "boycott."

"Im going to spend ridiculous amounts of my own money, Yeah that'll show those assholes on the Escapist forum what's what! You hear that you fuckers, I bought 3 copies for no reason with my own god damn money, TAKE THAT YOU BOYCOTTING ASSHOLES!"

That's a nice strategy you've got there.

Actually, the second copy is a gift. The third would be one as well.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

So you really aren't doing it to protest the cries for a boycott?

 

[JediMB]

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

And there will always be a way through!

....

Damn, I hate you.

<3 and tolerate you.

 

[Epona]

No matter how you spin it, a person can buy a used couch and sit on it or even...gasp...sleep on it without paying anything to the company that made the couch. It's called the used market and it's legal. Comparing it to piracy is a fallacy as piracy is not legal and no one here is condoning piracy. Condoning used game sales =/= condoning piracy.

Thing is, when you're paying for a couch you pay for the material and manufacturing of that particular couch.

When you're paying for a video game you're not paying for the case, the disc or the instruction booklet. You're paying for the right to utilize and experience the software delivered on the disc.

It's like paying for a lifetime ticket for an amusement park. You're not paying for the ticket itself, but rather what it provides you with.

Interesting isn't it. When you buy a couch, all of it belongs to you. The wood, the cloth, the foam cushions but when you buy software, you own nothing but a 50 cent disc, plastic case and a small book.

How does this help your argument?

No! In reality, you own that copy of the game and you can do anything you like with it. You can run over it with your car, you can sell it to Gamestop, sell it on eBay, give it to your little brother, use it as a drink coaster. You own it but you can't break copyright laws with it. Of course, with the couch, you own it but you can't break any laws with it either. Like you can't drop the couch on your friend, that would be a crime. You may own a car, but you can't break laws with it. You still own it though.

Get my point, being unable to copy it (other than a backup) doesn't mean you don't own it.

Your debating skills are so very bad. I see you've made a habit out of ignoring people's points and just focusing on one tiny part of their posts.

...and this post shows how bad your debating skills are.

What point should I concentrate on? Your absurd idea that you are just renting games at full price? You may be a sucker but I'm not. I own the games I buy.

 

[JediMB]

I pre-ordered RAGE.

And then I pre-ordered RAGE again.

Now I'm just considering pre-ordering a third copy to protest these ridiculous cries for "boycott."

"Im going to spend ridiculous amounts of my own money, Yeah that'll show those assholes on the Escapist forum what's what! You hear that you fuckers, I bought 3 copies for no reason with my own god damn money, TAKE THAT YOU BOYCOTTING ASSHOLES!"

That's a nice strategy you've got there.

Actually, the second copy is a gift. The third would be one as well.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

So you really aren't doing it to protest the cries for a boycott?

I can have my cake and eat it.

I have plenty of friends who would probably resort to pirating the game. I can give it to one of those, and I'll be responsible for an extra sale without it going to waste.

 

[William Ossiss]

If we allow this to continue, what will happen to games like Skyrim? do you want to only be able to access 15 quests if you buy it new? or to a new extreme: you can only dual wield if you buy it new?

What you are mentioning here is downloadable content.

im a huge fan of DLC, having bought all of the dlc for oblivion (with the exception of the horse armor). i makes me happy that devs can pump out content for their older games. but what im talking about is stuff they already made, but decide to keep away from you for not buying their game new. preorder items, higher than basic content for games are a good way of getting people to buy new. if the game is good enough, ill buy it new. but not giving us content that was supposed to be in the game in the first place... it's just not right.

 

[JediMB]

No matter how you spin it, a person can buy a used couch and sit on it or even...gasp...sleep on it without paying anything to the company that made the couch. It's called the used market and it's legal. Comparing it to piracy is a fallacy as piracy is not legal and no one here is condoning piracy. Condoning used game sales =/= condoning piracy.

Thing is, when you're paying for a couch you pay for the material and manufacturing of that particular couch.

When you're paying for a video game you're not paying for the case, the disc or the instruction booklet. You're paying for the right to utilize and experience the software delivered on the disc.

It's like paying for a lifetime ticket for an amusement park. You're not paying for the ticket itself, but rather what it provides you with.

Interesting isn't it. When you buy a couch, all of it belongs to you. The wood, the cloth, the foam cushions but when you buy software, you own nothing but a 50 cent disc, plastic case and a small book.

How does this help your argument?

No! In reality, you own that copy of the game and you can do anything you like with it. You can run over it with your car, you can sell it to Gamestop, sell it on eBay, give it to your little brother, use it as a drink coaster. You own it but you can't break copyright laws with it. Of course, with the couch, you own it but you can't break any laws with it either. Like you can't drop the couch on your friend, that would be a crime. You may own a car, but you can't break laws with it. You still own it though.

Get my point, being unable to copy it (other than a backup) doesn't mean you don't own it.

Your debating skills are so very bad. I see you've made a habit out of ignoring people's points and just focusing on one tiny part of their posts.

...and this post shows how bad your debating skills are.

What point should I concentrate on? Your absurd idea that you are just renting games at full price? You may be a sucker but I'm not. I own the games I buy.

A lifetime pass is not a rental. Thank you, come again.

 

[tycho0042]

I dunno, for me 5 dollars I may as well buy it new. It's a rare time when I'm buying a game and I'm THAT hard up I have to save it.
I;m sure part of this is about this game RAGE but It just doesn't look interesting so their practice is kind of a moot point to me.
though capcom's single save for the mercs 3d actually made me decide against buying it.

 

[Epona]

I support used sales fully.

And yet, with this, I disagree.

From what it looks like, this is a small little bonus they are adding for people who buy new. Not so much taking it away from those who buy used. Jim Sterling even said as much. They are rewarding new players, not punishing used ones. So that's fine by me.

Now, when they start cutting large things out of the game, then no. I'll be with you. But this issue is small and is actually a reward for those who buy new.

What do you think the next step is? Will you be happy for supporting this step when you KNOW that somewhere down the line, they will begin removing critical parts of a game?

If it gets that bad, yes. I will stand up. But that's not this.

But I'm not going to say "You cannot give a small thing to people who buy new that doesn't affect the game much". That's silly.

You know what I think the best way to fight used sales would be? Anyone who buys new gets a small discount on DLC in the future. Or gets a little side quest.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

And there will always be a way through!

....

Damn, I hate you.

If you know this is the first step in a movement that will ultimately kill the used market by locking most of or all of a game without a unique code, why would you support it?

Also, rewarding those who buy new and punishing those who buy used is one in the same. You can't do one without the other.

 

[William Ossiss]

Well, if they want their new IP to take off, is alienating potential customers really a good idea? At one point, CliffyB was talking about doing something like this for Gears 3 but that's an established IP with an established fanbase so, if he had decided to go through with that, they could have gotten away with it. Launching a new IP with the promise of cutting content if you don't buy the game new seems to be reaching for new heights of stupidity in marketing.

thank you for summing up my entire thought process in a nice paragraph.

 

[Epona]

No matter how you spin it, a person can buy a used couch and sit on it or even...gasp...sleep on it without paying anything to the company that made the couch. It's called the used market and it's legal. Comparing it to piracy is a fallacy as piracy is not legal and no one here is condoning piracy. Condoning used game sales =/= condoning piracy.

Thing is, when you're paying for a couch you pay for the material and manufacturing of that particular couch.

When you're paying for a video game you're not paying for the case, the disc or the instruction booklet. You're paying for the right to utilize and experience the software delivered on the disc.

It's like paying for a lifetime ticket for an amusement park. You're not paying for the ticket itself, but rather what it provides you with.

Interesting isn't it. When you buy a couch, all of it belongs to you. The wood, the cloth, the foam cushions but when you buy software, you own nothing but a 50 cent disc, plastic case and a small book.

How does this help your argument?

No! In reality, you own that copy of the game and you can do anything you like with it. You can run over it with your car, you can sell it to Gamestop, sell it on eBay, give it to your little brother, use it as a drink coaster. You own it but you can't break copyright laws with it. Of course, with the couch, you own it but you can't break any laws with it either. Like you can't drop the couch on your friend, that would be a crime. You may own a car, but you can't break laws with it. You still own it though.

Get my point, being unable to copy it (other than a backup) doesn't mean you don't own it.

Your debating skills are so very bad. I see you've made a habit out of ignoring people's points and just focusing on one tiny part of their posts.

...and this post shows how bad your debating skills are.

What point should I concentrate on? Your absurd idea that you are just renting games at full price? You may be a sucker but I'm not. I own the games I buy.

A lifetime pass is not a rental. Thank you, come again.

It's not a lifetime pass. As long as you are dependent on servers to get all of the games content, you do not own it. When the servers go down, you will be like the used buyers who don't have access to the cut content.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I support used sales fully.

And yet, with this, I disagree.

From what it looks like, this is a small little bonus they are adding for people who buy new. Not so much taking it away from those who buy used. Jim Sterling even said as much. They are rewarding new players, not punishing used ones. So that's fine by me.

Now, when they start cutting large things out of the game, then no. I'll be with you. But this issue is small and is actually a reward for those who buy new.

What do you think the next step is? Will you be happy for supporting this step when you KNOW that somewhere down the line, they will begin removing critical parts of a game?

If it gets that bad, yes. I will stand up. But that's not this.

But I'm not going to say "You cannot give a small thing to people who buy new that doesn't affect the game much". That's silly.

You know what I think the best way to fight used sales would be? Anyone who buys new gets a small discount on DLC in the future. Or gets a little side quest.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

And there will always be a way through!

....

Damn, I hate you.

If you know this is the first step in a movement that will ultimately kill the used market by locking most of or all of a game without a unique code, why would you support it?

Also, rewarding those who buy new and punishing those who buy used is one in the same. You can't do one without the other.

Sorry, but it's that whole "Slippery slope" argument. I said "IF". If does not mean it will.

And yes, yes you can. Suppose you, as I said, gave a disscount on all DLC to people who buy new. Is that punishing those who buy used? No. It's just giving extra to the person who paid for it first.

The point is that it's small and really just a nice little bonus. That's it.

A used market for games will continue to exist. If they kill it, I'm out. I'll go do something else with my time if the day comes where I can no longer sell games I don't wish to possess.

 

[William Ossiss]

you are not in a position to tell what developers can and cant put into their games.

oh, you seem to be misunderstanding me. it's not the developers that do this. it's the company.

 

[Epona]

I support used sales fully.

And yet, with this, I disagree.

From what it looks like, this is a small little bonus they are adding for people who buy new. Not so much taking it away from those who buy used. Jim Sterling even said as much. They are rewarding new players, not punishing used ones. So that's fine by me.

Now, when they start cutting large things out of the game, then no. I'll be with you. But this issue is small and is actually a reward for those who buy new.

What do you think the next step is? Will you be happy for supporting this step when you KNOW that somewhere down the line, they will begin removing critical parts of a game?

If it gets that bad, yes. I will stand up. But that's not this.

But I'm not going to say "You cannot give a small thing to people who buy new that doesn't affect the game much". That's silly.

You know what I think the best way to fight used sales would be? Anyone who buys new gets a small discount on DLC in the future. Or gets a little side quest.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

And there will always be a way through!

....

Damn, I hate you.

If you know this is the first step in a movement that will ultimately kill the used market by locking most of or all of a game without a unique code, why would you support it?

Also, rewarding those who buy new and punishing those who buy used is one in the same. You can't do one without the other.

Sorry, but it's that whole "Slippery slope" argument. I said "IF". If does not mean it will.

And yes, yes you can. Suppose you, as I said, gave a disscount on all DLC to people who buy new. Is that punishing those who buy used? No. It's just giving extra to the person who paid for it first.

The point is that it's small and really just a nice little bonus. That's it.

A used market for games will continue to exist. If they kill it, I'm out. I'll go do something else with my time if the day comes where I can no longer sell games I don't wish to possess.

So, that they already killed the used PC market by locking out the game with an activation code is merely a one time thing and would never happen twice?

Yeah, it's a slippery slope. See you at the bottom.

 

[JediMB]

No matter how you spin it, a person can buy a used couch and sit on it or even...gasp...sleep on it without paying anything to the company that made the couch. It's called the used market and it's legal. Comparing it to piracy is a fallacy as piracy is not legal and no one here is condoning piracy. Condoning used game sales =/= condoning piracy.

Thing is, when you're paying for a couch you pay for the material and manufacturing of that particular couch.

When you're paying for a video game you're not paying for the case, the disc or the instruction booklet. You're paying for the right to utilize and experience the software delivered on the disc.

It's like paying for a lifetime ticket for an amusement park. You're not paying for the ticket itself, but rather what it provides you with.

Interesting isn't it. When you buy a couch, all of it belongs to you. The wood, the cloth, the foam cushions but when you buy software, you own nothing but a 50 cent disc, plastic case and a small book.

How does this help your argument?

No! In reality, you own that copy of the game and you can do anything you like with it. You can run over it with your car, you can sell it to Gamestop, sell it on eBay, give it to your little brother, use it as a drink coaster. You own it but you can't break copyright laws with it. Of course, with the couch, you own it but you can't break any laws with it either. Like you can't drop the couch on your friend, that would be a crime. You may own a car, but you can't break laws with it. You still own it though.

Get my point, being unable to copy it (other than a backup) doesn't mean you don't own it.

Your debating skills are so very bad. I see you've made a habit out of ignoring people's points and just focusing on one tiny part of their posts.

...and this post shows how bad your debating skills are.

What point should I concentrate on? Your absurd idea that you are just renting games at full price? You may be a sucker but I'm not. I own the games I buy.

A lifetime pass is not a rental. Thank you, come again.

It's not a lifetime pass. As long as you are dependent on servers to get all of the games content, you do not own it. When the servers go down, you will be like the used buyers who don't have access to the cut content.

There was an amusement park in my analogy. With the lifetime pass you're dependent on the park in question staying open.

That said, this is an issue with every sort of downloadable content for the consoles, due to platform limitations. At least with PC an unlock patch can be released and take permanent residence on the Internet.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I support used sales fully.

And yet, with this, I disagree.

From what it looks like, this is a small little bonus they are adding for people who buy new. Not so much taking it away from those who buy used. Jim Sterling even said as much. They are rewarding new players, not punishing used ones. So that's fine by me.

Now, when they start cutting large things out of the game, then no. I'll be with you. But this issue is small and is actually a reward for those who buy new.

What do you think the next step is? Will you be happy for supporting this step when you KNOW that somewhere down the line, they will begin removing critical parts of a game?

If it gets that bad, yes. I will stand up. But that's not this.

But I'm not going to say "You cannot give a small thing to people who buy new that doesn't affect the game much". That's silly.

You know what I think the best way to fight used sales would be? Anyone who buys new gets a small discount on DLC in the future. Or gets a little side quest.

You gotta share, you gotta care. It's the right thing to do.

And there will always be a way through!

....

Damn, I hate you.

If you know this is the first step in a movement that will ultimately kill the used market by locking most of or all of a game without a unique code, why would you support it?

Also, rewarding those who buy new and punishing those who buy used is one in the same. You can't do one without the other.

Sorry, but it's that whole "Slippery slope" argument. I said "IF". If does not mean it will.

And yes, yes you can. Suppose you, as I said, gave a disscount on all DLC to people who buy new. Is that punishing those who buy used? No. It's just giving extra to the person who paid for it first.

The point is that it's small and really just a nice little bonus. That's it.

A used market for games will continue to exist. If they kill it, I'm out. I'll go do something else with my time if the day comes where I can no longer sell games I don't wish to possess.

So, that they already killed the used PC market by locking out the game with an activation code is merely a one time thing and would never happen twice?

Yeah, it's a slippery slope. See you at the bottom.

My point is that giving something extra to new buyers is not the same as taking something away from used buyers.

If I charge someone for being late to a class, is that the same as giving someone a dollar if they show up eairly?

Again, we both support used sales. There's no reason to keep fighting.

 

[Macrobstar]

No, it doesn't need to stop. Developers don't get a CENT from someone buying the game used. Gamestop and other used game companies keep all the profits from used games; they don't politely give the developers or publishers some money for that game. THAT is why they are doing these day 1 DLC things... so they can try to still earn profits from used sales.

If you care about video games and want to support the industry, then buy new. If you don't give a shit and just want to save yourself money, then feel free to buy used, but don't ***** when game developers are trying to recuperate the loses of someone playing their game without giving them money because you don't want to support the industry.

Go boycott something fucking meaningful... not this.

What makes the video game industry so special that consumers should not be able to buy used media? If I buy used books and used movies, why should I have to buy all of my games new?

You7 get the game if you buy it used, but don't expect the developer to support you with bonus content if you don't support them

 

[Macrobstar]

Anyone notice that the only major gaming site this is happening on is the escapist? Because the escapist was also the only major gaming site to post a sensationalist article, god guess people really do just believe everything they read