I immediately cry out "We meet again, old friend!" and he will reply with "but this time the advantage is mine!" We will then both laugh, then we'll both go get a beer and reminisce about the good ol' days.
Poll: Can you defeat yourself
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I happen to know for a fact that I have no ground game, so I'd try to shoot in for my legs and see if I can get the takedown. There's no way I could escape a good ground n pound from myself.
Basically, this.Vigormortis said:
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But, I actually take option C, and simply don't hesitate to give myself my money. The Pan-Chronodimensional Council Of Ieykes have an understanding. We simply cooperate with ourselves because we know that we know what we're doing and there's no reason to question my motives. If future me needs present me's money, then he needs my money. Simple as that.
Beyond borrowing money tho, future and present me are going to have some fun if we ever meet.
To answer the actual question tho, no, I probably couldn't beat future me, because future me would be the one with the element of surprise and a battle plan. I'd just be caught off guard.
it's hard to imagine myself in many of the scenarios presented by the forum these last few [periods of time]. they're just not applicable. i would never need to mug myself, therefore this must be an imposter or someone else is pulling the strings.
the most likely scenario is imposter, so i would react as i would if it was anyone else. i would not hand the wallet over. if they want it, they'll have to take it from me. this is the initial analysis. event points forthwith will be managed accordingly.
in the event that it is me, as in the case presented, i would have no way to ascertain this information and would react the same way. subsequent events will be handled by the same processes, though the results will likely be very different.
the most likely scenario is imposter, so i would react as i would if it was anyone else. i would not hand the wallet over. if they want it, they'll have to take it from me. this is the initial analysis. event points forthwith will be managed accordingly.
in the event that it is me, as in the case presented, i would have no way to ascertain this information and would react the same way. subsequent events will be handled by the same processes, though the results will likely be very different.
I know that I'll immediately go for submissions go for a submission hold so I'll anticipate the lunge and keep my distance with strikes. Unless I predict my predicting of me going for submissions and instead go for kicks and head shots, but I'll predict that, and be prepared to counter myself, but what if I, oh balls now I'm confused.
Not only that, but even if you were in an open field, assuming that he is exactly as fit as you are he will never be able to close the initial distance. Just keep running until either your doppelganger realizes this and goes to mug someone else, or he dies from starvation. Chances are you'll always reach food first, and provided that reaching down to grab food doesn't slow you down enough to close the distance you'll eventually win. Worst case scenario you both die, but at the very least you're guaranteed to take him with you.Vuliev said:
I don't know which option to choose, I'm legging it because it's how I can defeat myself. I shall choose option two
Presumably wouldn't the other you also know that though? He is an identical copy, I assume that would be in mind as well as bodywulfy42 said:
Hmm, tough answer. I suppose that if it's my future self, I'd just resolve to eat nothing but junk food and stop exercising altogether until I became an obese, wheezing, diabetic wreck sequestered to a Rascal (I'd probably have to ask myself if I was following Terminator or 12 Monkeys rules first though). If it was myself from an alternate universe where everything was its exact opposite, I'd resolve to eat healthier and work out more until the previous result was accomplished again. If the other me was a pod person or alien replicant I could try sneezing on it, hoping that its immune system would fail against Earthborne microbes like in War of the Worlds. If it was a perfect clone trying to replace me and assume my life I'd just let it and leave it footing my college loans. If this were an Evil Me scenario it'd probably be the good me trying to take my wallet back after I rightfully brained him with a bottle not a half hour ago. If it was an Evil Me clone then we'd probably link arms and merrily skip away to cut a swathe of Bonnie and Clyde-inspired bank robberies across the country, with homoerotic undercurrents. If it were a me born from a quantum paradox then I'd have to tell myself another paradox to reset the world without the other me in existence (also applicable to a replicated me generated by a computer AI for the purposes of petty revenge). If it was my doppelganger then I'd just remind myself that I wouldn't be able to mug myself without us touching each other and making the universe implode. If it was a me generated by the Skull of Corruption then I'd just outrun myself for 30 seconds until it was banished back into the aether. If another person were with me when my other self and I were to get in a fight and pull out a gun on us demanding to know who the real "me" was, I'd tell them to shoot both of us as it would be the only way to be sure.
Or of course this could just be a drug and alcohol induced hallucination or fever dream with the real me naked and hip thrusting into a mirror at 3:00 AM wearing nothing but a feather boa and a cigarette holder drooping out of my mouth like Hunter S. Thompson, all the while threatening my mirror image in the voice of the Dwarf in Red from Twin Peaks while agitatedly brandishing a candelabra in my free hand for emphasis.
Or of course this could just be a drug and alcohol induced hallucination or fever dream with the real me naked and hip thrusting into a mirror at 3:00 AM wearing nothing but a feather boa and a cigarette holder drooping out of my mouth like Hunter S. Thompson, all the while threatening my mirror image in the voice of the Dwarf in Red from Twin Peaks while agitatedly brandishing a candelabra in my free hand for emphasis.
Throw the sweet roll in the air and then run away, so that the thugs are looking up and i can get away!
I'd probably just end up convincing myself not to fight...me...We'd get on pretty well and that is when I'd decide to strike at him. Remember kids, ain't nothing wrong with fighting dirty, anyway I have to teach him I am his better so that he doesn't betray me in the future, he's already proven his prone to criminal outbursts so I have to strike him down while I have the upper hand.
Normally, I would immediately punch anything pretending to be me. But if this thing is me, I would want to do something completely unexpected. Which is what I would do, but if I'm fighting myself, I can't possibly win by fighting like myself, which would be to do unpredictable attacks. So I'd be very predictable. I would never do that, which is why the other me wouldn't know what's going on and lose.
Unless he thinks of this too. Then I'll have to think of something I'd never think of.
Unless he thinks of this too. Then I'll have to think of something I'd never think of.
Hmm.......
I suppose reasonably discussing the needs of myself and giving myself the money is out of the question?
I'm not much of a fighter, and have low endurance so the fight would be decided after only a few minutes. If I'm doing that charging thing i usually do when I attack, I'm pretty confident that I'd be able to take myself out because that never works.
I suppose reasonably discussing the needs of myself and giving myself the money is out of the question?
I'm not much of a fighter, and have low endurance so the fight would be decided after only a few minutes. If I'm doing that charging thing i usually do when I attack, I'm pretty confident that I'd be able to take myself out because that never works.
It's not an exact copy since he's attacking and your defending (not attacking him). In Judo the attacker is at a serious disadvantage so if everything else is equal, the defender will always win.The Almighty Aardvark said:
As far as knowing all the weaknesses etc, that only works if the other you KNOWS everything that you know including that you and he are the same. In that case you would lose the advantage but it makes less sense for the other you to be attacking you and demanding money etc. Perhaps if it was an alternate you that has to kill you and take your place though...that would make sense.
While judo is an extreme case, most forms of combat (that don't involve guns and often even those that do) give an advantage to the person who does not attack first. You allow the other person to attack which leaves them open after you defend or dodge it. IF the other you also knew this..then he or she would never attack first....but according to the OP he or she IS attacking fist..randomly and without using any special items/abmushes etc to take advantage of being the first attacker.
Finally you have the other minor advantage..which is that if both combatants are equal (completely equal) the one with the larger options will usually win. You don't need to win the fight, or kill your other self, you just need to get away, disable him, tire him out etc. He has to keep attacking you...and has to defeat you, you just have to defend, conserve energy and wait till he tires out etc.
If you are both equal in all ways...it's easier to defend then to attack. So the defending you...should be the one who wins.
If I on the other hand had to attack and kill an exact copy of me to take his place, I would simply do it in a way that prevents the other me from ever knowing an attack is coming. A bullet to the brain suddenly from cover. An arrow to the knee and then a sudden attack with a sword etc. The attacker has a huge advantage is the defender doesn't know an attack is coming. Even if you could only use your bare hands, you could walk up to the other you and act like you are there to save him/her and kill your otherself when he goes to sleep at night or lets his/her guard down etc. That is the best way to take yourself out.
I have no idea. Assuming this is future me, future me already knows how I would fight, and I would expect future me to fight as I would. I already know what my own reactions would be in that situation. We'd most likely end up jabbing each others eyes out with our keys, or ending up headbutting each other as we attempted to do so. Failing a keyshot, I'd go for a knee to the nuts, (in which case, we'd cancel each other out) after which a jab in the throat is in order, so we'd both end up standing there gasping for air. Presumably if this is future me, I'd recover my breath slightly quicker due to less damage from smoking.
So going through that I /might/ be able to beat myself, but I find it very likely that it would be a laughable stalemate.
So going through that I /might/ be able to beat myself, but I find it very likely that it would be a laughable stalemate.
I agree with just about all of that. The only way to take defeat yourself is to exploit whatever difference there is between you two. I briefly considered a strategy involving trying to grab his beard before I reconciled with how ineffective that'd bewulfy42 said:
I am not sure if this has been said yet and I don't feel like reading through all the posts. Anyway:Vigormortis said:
Could it not be possible that the future self needed money because he successfully robbed you, thus when you get the point in the future where you are him, you need money, thus you go back and rob yourself... and then the cycle continues.
Moderately short story shorter, you go back in time to rob yourself for money because you are low on money ever since you robbed yourself back in time.