Poll: Chicken or the Egg?

[Kinguendo]

Egg... Why? Because no one ever specifies that it is a chickens egg.

EDIT: I am eating Ferero Rochets right now, I just felt you might like to know... Mmmmm, tasty.

*attempts to reach through internet to get one*

OT Egg. Evolution. And yes. Atheist.

They ARE right in front of the screen... How did you know?! D:

 

[Nocta-Aeterna]

If refering to the egg in general: the egg! dinosaurs and other primitive organisms laid eggs long before the chicken existed.

If referring to the chicken egg: the egg. The chicken as we know it today (wild chicken, if they still exist) probably descended from a sort of proto-chicken, perhaps with flight, and between the two there's probably a large ambiguous gray area, in which the creatures are neither. The first genetic chicken(s) hatched from one of these gray area-eggs. Thus the egg was first.

(yay logic!)

 

[Samcanuck]

If we're talking about any kind of egg generally, then the egg came first, but no other animal other than a chicken would lay a chicken egg.

Actually it would. Evolution is the reason the egg came first.

Nope. Mutation is the reason the chicken comes first. And then the newborn mutation will lay eggs containing the same mutation.

Thats what evolution is though....so manaman understood it correctly.

No. He understands that it's the egg itself that evolves, which is completely wrong.

Well technically, doesn't the zygote in its development mutate? So that would be the 'Egg', wouldn't it?

 

[Icecoldcynic]

If we're talking about any kind of egg generally, then the egg came first, but no other animal other than a chicken would lay a chicken egg.

Actually it would. Evolution is the reason the egg came first.

Nope. Mutation is the reason the chicken comes first. And then the newborn mutation will lay eggs containing the same mutation.

Thats what evolution is though....so manaman understood it correctly.

No. He understands that it's the egg itself that evolves, which is completely wrong.

Okay i'll provide an extremely simplified, yet logical example of why I'm right. Let's say a bird named a kool has an egg, and from that egg hatches a bird that is sufficiently mutated to be considered a slightly different species to the kool, and we'll call it a koolio. Now the koolio, despite being a different species, STILL hatched from the kool's egg, therefore the koolio came before the koolio egg. See? Pretty simple. And yes I believe in evolution.

 

[Wilbot666]

Everyone knows that the retarded monkey-fishfrog came first.

 

[Kinguendo]

Egg. But it never hatched. I ate it for Breakfast. But I cooked it bad, so I threw it up as a chicken.

That is the unknown truth in this all.

But that leads to more questions... How did it become a chicken after you already broke the shell and cooked it (regardless of how well you did so.) AND answering that... Was the chicken also cooked with a nice seasoning and some gravy with mashed potatoes, yorkshire pudding, peas and stuffing?

Well.....
#1: Because history is written by the victors. And I won that epic battle. So I wrote it as you read it now.
#2: Everything except the pudding, and I threw in some nice Orange Juice on the side. The only reason I didn't destroy the world after that is that I stole all the extra food from Tim. Then he starved to death

You won a fight against an egg... that IS something to brag about, I dont know why we didnt hear this story on the news.

Also "Yorkshire Puddings" arent actually puddings, they are little savoury, crispy cups... They hold gravy especially well.

Spoiler: IMAGE!

Yorkshire Puddings!

 

[blankedboy]

Doomsday arcade, episode 12.

/thread.

 

[Ryuk2]

Eggs were on Earth WAAAAAAAAAAAY longer then chickens. Some creatures were laying eggs, lets say, small fish were laying eggs. The fish evolved and came out of the water and leyed eggs on earth. Then they slowly evolved into chickens that we see now. Even when there were chicken-like creatures, they were not chickens, then were just creatures from the same branch.

 

[Samcanuck]

If we're talking about any kind of egg generally, then the egg came first, but no other animal other than a chicken would lay a chicken egg.

Actually it would. Evolution is the reason the egg came first.

Nope. Mutation is the reason the chicken comes first. And then the newborn mutation will lay eggs containing the same mutation.

Thats what evolution is though....so manaman understood it correctly.

No. He understands that it's the egg itself that evolves, which is completely wrong.

Okay i'll provide an extremely simplified, yet logical example of why I'm right. Let's say a bird named a kool has an egg, and from that egg hatches a bird that is sufficiently mutated to be considered a slightly different species to the kool, and we'll call it a koolio. Now the koolio, despite being a different species, STILL hatched from the kool's egg, therefore the koolio came before the koolio egg. See? Pretty simple. And yes I believe in evolution.

Right, and thats evolution. And it's caused by a mutation during conception and development prior to birth. Hense the egg has the first chicken. You are really saying the same thing, but are just simply missing what manaman...and possibly me...are saying.

Unless you believe in creationsim governing life. The chicken in the question can as easily be a human ...created by dust or energy.

 

[ctrl-alt-postal]

eggs can't cum.

(evolution, BTW)

 

[Marble Dragon]

The egg, for reasons mentioned above.

And my answer does match my belief to some degree. I'm religious, but I do believe in evolution.

 

[manaman]

If we're talking about any kind of egg generally, then the egg came first, but no other animal other than a chicken would lay a chicken egg.

Actually it would. Evolution is the reason the egg came first.

Nope. Mutation is the reason the chicken comes first. And then the newborn mutation will lay eggs containing the same mutation.

Adaptation
Genetic drift
Gene flow
Mutation
Natural selection
Speciation

All different topics of the same subject. I don't know if you are trying to say that a random mutation suddenly made something very like a chicken into a chicken. Cause that would be off the mark. Speciation only occurs when genetic drift has taken a group so far away from their original stock that in most cases they can no longer interbreed, and when they can they only produce sterile offspring.

Horses and Donkeys are different species but can only produce a sterile mule as offspring.

Domesticated dogs are all the same species and it is called a mutt when they interbreed, without the problem of sterility, mutts can breed with any other dog. How different dogs look from each other is a product of repressing or breeding for specific traits that could all be found within the original stock.

 

[Icecoldcynic]

Adaptation
Genetic drift
Gene flow
Mutation
Natural selection
Speciation

All different topics of the same subject. I don't know if you are trying to say that a random mutation suddenly made something very like a chicken into a chicken. Cause that would be off the mark. Speciation only occurs when genetic drift has taken a group so far away from their original stock that in most cases they can no longer interbreed, and when they can they only produce sterile offspring.

Horses and Donkeys are different species but can only produce a sterile mule as offspring.

Domesticated dogs are all the same species and it is called a mutt when they interbreed, without the problem of sterility, mutts can breed with any other dog. How different dogs look from each other is a product of repressing or breeding for specific traits that could all be found within the original stock.

How is any of that relevant?

 

[Jedamethis]

Egg... Why? Because no one ever specifies that it is a chickens egg.

EDIT: I am eating Ferero Rochets right now, I just felt you might like to know... Mmmmm, tasty.

*attempts to reach through internet to get one*

OT Egg. Evolution. And yes. Atheist.

They ARE right in front of the screen... How did you know?! D:

Blind luck

 

[Abengoshis]

Egg. Evolution. I'm not going to explain because those who understand it will agree and those who don't won't want to agree.

 

[Samcanuck]

Adaptation
Genetic drift
Gene flow
Mutation
Natural selection
Speciation

All different topics of the same subject. I don't know if you are trying to say that a random mutation suddenly made something very like a chicken into a chicken. Cause that would be off the mark. Speciation only occurs when genetic drift has taken a group so far away from their original stock that in most cases they can no longer interbreed, and when they can they only produce sterile offspring.

Horses and Donkeys are different species but can only produce a sterile mule as offspring.

Domesticated dogs are all the same species and it is called a mutt when they interbreed, without the problem of sterility, mutts can breed with any other dog. How different dogs look from each other is a product of repressing or breeding for specific traits that could all be found within the original stock.

How is any of that relevant?

What I don't get....how isn't it relevant?