Oh, please...rokkolpo said:
You obviously must not be an American, and I'm envious. This country is jam-packed with phenomenal idiots.
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You obviously must not be an American, and I'm envious. This country is jam-packed with phenomenal idiots.
This isn't surprising, completely plausible and a fair comment.kazabamer said:
Yet if it is true I am amazed that such a miscarrige of justice could happen in America.
well I should be... but... well...
Oh and Post #100. YAY
I happen to be one of those 'children who was not to be left behind' (I have ADD), and the schools do not do anything at all that helps. They don't even listen when I try to explain why something doesn't work. They're convinced I'm not trying hard enough, which is completely untrue.Lilani said:
What nobody seems to understand is that people with learning difficulties actually seem to have greater chances of success than "normal" people. Albert Einstein was dyslexic. So was Picasso. In fact, the majority of successful entrepreneurs have a learning disorder of some kind.
We aren't retarded.
Congratulations =] Lol. But yeah, it was something to do with Fox or someone saying that he was the new president before the final votes had been counted so without checking all the other news stations said he was the new president. Baaziggybogidou said:
He did an alright job in the beginning, although he started fucking up royally near the end.
That said, I'd like to post my thoughts on the majority of the reasons people give for hating him on the internet.
The Elections:
Bush didn't steal the election. He won because people in florida are stupid, and nobody outside of the cities wanted that dumbass Gore in office. He won again in 04 for the same reason Obama won now, a piss poor candidate from the other party.
The Patriot Act:
The Patriot Act was ill-conceived, and I understand the implications of government spying.....but........
Certain programs really are protection initiatives, despite what the internet tells you.
How many of your friends and family have really been impinged by the Patriot Act?
Do you know of someone wrongly imprisoned because of the Patriot Act?
Have you ever even heard of someone wrongly implicated in terrorism because of the Patriot Act?
You know what the largest abuse of the patriot act is, that I've been able to find?
A Democratic Congresswoman in the AZ state legislature tried to pass a state-law declaring the Minutemen a terrorist organization under the PATRIOT Act, and to expand the state's definition of Terrorist to include "Private citizens who enforce the law while armed."
That's it. An "evil ploy by conservatives to control us", and the only abuse comes from the party that denigrates it the most.
I would rather have a party that listens to shit I say, and does nothing to me, than to go for a party who wants me to be a soul-dead conformist moron who observes everyone's cultural diversity, while being an unarmed, defenseless ward of the nanny state any day. There are a lot of us conservatives who didn't agree with the patriot act, me included, but I would rather prefer the lesser of two evils. I love how people bitching about the government intruding on our lives, completely overlook the fact that the democrats have been trying to reinstate the fairness doctrine, and have been trying to do the same thing with so-called "net nuetrality"(which we already have).
Katrina:
New Orleans was not his problem, or his fault. Mayor Nagin failed to ensure the safety of the denizens of his own city, and yet people got all up in arms that the President didn't do enough and tried to make it a race issue. It was the fucking black mayor of NO who didn't ensure the safe escape of all those poor black people, even though as we've seen there were plenty of school buses which could've been used to evacuate those who didn't have transportation of their own and instead those buses were left to sit and became flooded out and useless.
New Orleans during Katrina, the preparedness for disaster, and the emergency management afterwards, had nothing to do with the Federal Government. Ray Nagin and his corrupt police and emergency management chiefs did not do their jobs. It is not the Feds job to know where local buses are, or where people are at, that is local govt/EMS/Fire/Police's job. Katrina was not a federal failure, it was the failure of a grandstanding racist democrat mayor. If you want to point the finger upwards at Bush and Brown, you first have to go through Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco. FEMA is a mop-up agency, and that is what they did, mopped up Nagin's giant mess.
No Child Left Behind:
The No Child Left Behind Act was actually a rebirth of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965. Since 1965, the law has been reintroduced and reauthorized every four or five years. During the Clinton administration, party politics prevented the law from being reauthorized. All Bush did was reprioritize it and pass it again.
9-11:
How was this his fault again? And if one of you conspiracy nuts pop up, I will reach through the internet and castrate you. The intel he supposedly ignored was gathered during the Clinton administration, hell, the saudis tried to give us bin laden on a silver platter, but we didn't take him.
9-11 wasn't anyones fault but the terrorists who planned and executed it.It's that simple, trying to lay blame on anyone but them is retarded to say the least.
Afghanistan:
The only reason afghanistan isn't going well is because we made the mistake of going into Iraq at the same time.
Iraq:
I've stated this before, I was all for the iraq war, for whatever reasons.
Because the lowball estimates for the number of his own people Saddam killed are always around 400k or more. I happen to believe that when diplomacy fails, it is the first worlds responsibility to take the murderous assholes of the world out of power.
That said, I'd like to post my thoughts on the majority of the reasons people give for hating him on the internet.
The Elections:
Bush didn't steal the election. He won because people in florida are stupid, and nobody outside of the cities wanted that dumbass Gore in office. He won again in 04 for the same reason Obama won now, a piss poor candidate from the other party.
The Patriot Act:
The Patriot Act was ill-conceived, and I understand the implications of government spying.....but........
Certain programs really are protection initiatives, despite what the internet tells you.
How many of your friends and family have really been impinged by the Patriot Act?
Do you know of someone wrongly imprisoned because of the Patriot Act?
Have you ever even heard of someone wrongly implicated in terrorism because of the Patriot Act?
You know what the largest abuse of the patriot act is, that I've been able to find?
A Democratic Congresswoman in the AZ state legislature tried to pass a state-law declaring the Minutemen a terrorist organization under the PATRIOT Act, and to expand the state's definition of Terrorist to include "Private citizens who enforce the law while armed."
That's it. An "evil ploy by conservatives to control us", and the only abuse comes from the party that denigrates it the most.
I would rather have a party that listens to shit I say, and does nothing to me, than to go for a party who wants me to be a soul-dead conformist moron who observes everyone's cultural diversity, while being an unarmed, defenseless ward of the nanny state any day. There are a lot of us conservatives who didn't agree with the patriot act, me included, but I would rather prefer the lesser of two evils. I love how people bitching about the government intruding on our lives, completely overlook the fact that the democrats have been trying to reinstate the fairness doctrine, and have been trying to do the same thing with so-called "net nuetrality"(which we already have).
Katrina:
New Orleans was not his problem, or his fault. Mayor Nagin failed to ensure the safety of the denizens of his own city, and yet people got all up in arms that the President didn't do enough and tried to make it a race issue. It was the fucking black mayor of NO who didn't ensure the safe escape of all those poor black people, even though as we've seen there were plenty of school buses which could've been used to evacuate those who didn't have transportation of their own and instead those buses were left to sit and became flooded out and useless.
New Orleans during Katrina, the preparedness for disaster, and the emergency management afterwards, had nothing to do with the Federal Government. Ray Nagin and his corrupt police and emergency management chiefs did not do their jobs. It is not the Feds job to know where local buses are, or where people are at, that is local govt/EMS/Fire/Police's job. Katrina was not a federal failure, it was the failure of a grandstanding racist democrat mayor. If you want to point the finger upwards at Bush and Brown, you first have to go through Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco. FEMA is a mop-up agency, and that is what they did, mopped up Nagin's giant mess.
No Child Left Behind:
The No Child Left Behind Act was actually a rebirth of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act (ESEA) of 1965. Since 1965, the law has been reintroduced and reauthorized every four or five years. During the Clinton administration, party politics prevented the law from being reauthorized. All Bush did was reprioritize it and pass it again.
9-11:
How was this his fault again? And if one of you conspiracy nuts pop up, I will reach through the internet and castrate you. The intel he supposedly ignored was gathered during the Clinton administration, hell, the saudis tried to give us bin laden on a silver platter, but we didn't take him.
9-11 wasn't anyones fault but the terrorists who planned and executed it.It's that simple, trying to lay blame on anyone but them is retarded to say the least.
Afghanistan:
The only reason afghanistan isn't going well is because we made the mistake of going into Iraq at the same time.
Iraq:
I've stated this before, I was all for the iraq war, for whatever reasons.
Because the lowball estimates for the number of his own people Saddam killed are always around 400k or more. I happen to believe that when diplomacy fails, it is the first worlds responsibility to take the murderous assholes of the world out of power.
If by excellent you mean he gave a lot of money to PMC companies that his dad and his VP were involved with, then yes, he was excellent. But if you're like the rest of the world and consider the loss of civil liberities and large number of US soliders dead in a war started on false pretencies (unless you've found those WMDs).Mihz00 said:
So, trying to get both parties to stop being immature idiots and work together, trying to fix an incredibly broken health care industry, making the rest of the world actually like the states, working on fixing the broken economy he inherrited from Bush, dealing with two unpopular wars and winning the Nobel Peace prize on popularity alone.
That's a gross simplification. He won in Florida because someone went around and did everything they could to stop democrat supporters from voting;UltraParanoia said:
Sources cited: [4] http://articles.latimes.com/2001/may/21/news/mn-620Wikipedia said:
[5] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm
[6] http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4137694,00.html
[7] http://articles.latimes.com/2001/may/21/news/mn-620
[8] http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/election2000/election2000_felons2.html
So as you can see there is a rather large controversy regarding what happened in Florida. Add in the fact that Jeb Bush was the governer and you can see why so many people are skeptical that W. Bush was really the winner of the election.
Just because some parts of the ACT can be useful, doesn't justify the program's existence.
Logical Fallacy. Just because nobody here personally has experience with the ACT doesn't mean that the arguements against it hold no weight.
Steve Kurtz and Brandon Mayfield.
You something, I think you should have tried looking a little bit harder;
In March of 2007 an audit by the Justice Department found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information."
Source - http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2030542,00.html
What about the dismisal of those 7 US Attornies? That was authorised by the USA Patriot Act Improvement and Reauthorization Act which removed the 120 day limit for interim replacements, who do not need Presidential Approval.
Source - http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/greg_gordon/story/15610.html
Strawman much?
Or you could take a third choice and get rid of the evil.
Just because one side are a bunch of morons doesn't invalidate the morons on the other side.
Agreed.
Bottom line is that the policy is decreasing the level of education that children recieve. Considering that Regean already cut the amount of money that the education system recieves,
I'll help.
How could the Saudis give him up when he was in another country under the protection of the Taliban? 9/11 is more of a fault of the FBI and CIA then it is of any president's administrations.
I'd state it's more of a problem of going in half-assesed and not going after Bin Laden for two months.
I like to remind you that America trying to be the world's police is the reason why you were so hated during Bush's era. Not to mention it's completely hypocritical that you can support the Iraqi war and yet not demand action of the genocide going on in Africa (the continient, not the country South Africa).
Besides, getting rid of Saddam is all well and good, but they had no plan about what to do afterwoods and now things in Iraq got even worse. They're better now, but it can be argued that Iraq only served to fuel the fire for terrorism against the US and led to things like the bombings in Bali and London.
He was meh... I think he did an ok job (seriously people should stop blaming him for everything, he only had ~16% of the power of the country anyways.)
he had Rice and Powell. they were black. that's what makes a good President right? just make sure You have blacks on your team our you yourself are Black and you'll make a great president. that's what Americans think, correct?Armored Prayer said:
Yeah, I have to agree with Shaoken on this one. There have been, and still are, dictators who are far worse than Saddam (not to mention easier to remove). Invading Iraq because Saddam was a 'bad person' is fairly poor pretext when dozens of other 'bad people' continue to rule, and in some cases are even supported.UltraParanoia said: