I was just saying, elaborate on your stance a little more or it does more harm then good to your point. That was the whole intent of what I posted in the first place. Just pointing that out.Puddle Jumper said:Why dress up your statement with a thousand expensive words when you can make a simple, but effective joke about it? A joke that is not entirely a joke, but your opinion as well. Sure, the OP asked for a serious discussion, but that doesn't always have to mean partaking in deep and heavy debates loaded with arguments left and right. A lot of people have already done that in this thread so why not throw in a lighter comment that gets the job done just as easily?manaman said:Probably.Puddle Jumper said:0.0
Huh? I think you're reading way too much in to that post I made. Like, way too much.
Still the OP asked for some serious discussion on the subject, and you barge in with a weighted sarcastic comment, that you pass off as a joke.
tl;dr: Yah, and?
What I meant was that when hitting your children you get them to realize that what they did was wrong and you get them to stop doing it (at least in front of you). However, it is impossible to get them to respect you. Respect gained through violence is fear. nothing more and nothing less. If you don't know how to raise a child without beating it over the head then you are making this world a worse place for future generations. violence brings violence, fear brings fear.Daystar Clarion said:Exactly this. I don't necessarily disagree with not hitting a child, it's the bullshit, holier than thou response I hate by people who weren't. Kind of like those zealous vegetarians.Bourne said:It is nice to see that even this forum is not above having users who decide to inject their own meaning into others' posts.cabooze said:So you didn't curse at your parents because you respected them or because you thought that it was a bad thing to do, you didn't curse at them because you was afraid of your father hitting you with a belt? Over here, almost nobody would dream of belting their child. It's what they did in the middle ages because people didn't know how to communicate with their children in any other way than the fist.
I am not sure Medieval children were beaten with belts, and I am also not sure doing something in the Middle Ages makes it archaic or evil... they drank beer in the Middle Ages, they ate pork in the Middle Ages, men had sex with women in the Middle Ages, well, you get my point (I hope).
Having a lesson "spanked" into isn't the creation of some fearful Pavlovian response to a behavior, it is a wake-up call that if something you have done could incur such a punishment, there must really be something fundamentally wrong with it. Time spent alone after a spanking was often the most cathartic for me at a young age, because I was trying to understand what could make the only two people in the world I had loved want to physically hurt me, and I always came to the conclusion it was because what I had done was truly bad, which, 99% of the time, it was.
So, to answer your question, no, I didn't stop cursing at my parents out of fear, I did it out of respect and understanding for the purpose of the punishment and the consequences of the behavior.
You mean, its so refreshing to hear someone finally agree with you.cabooze said:You are the most awesome person in this thread (salutes). It's so refreshing to hear someone say that it wasn't for the best that they were beaten.
I seriously doubt that you know all people who have been physically abused as children, and can make an accusation like that.cabooze said:Most people who are physically punished as children usually get self-confidence by establishing physical domination over others.
There will always be people who hold themselves on a higher plateau than others, who think that their experience is somehow more warranted and valid than others, and that this somehow gives them the right to judge whomever, however they want. They are very easy to spot, and consequently, should be avoided at all costs, unless one would rather get into an argument every time the wind blows.Exactly this. I don't necessarily disagree with not hitting a child, it's the bullshit, holier than thou response I hate by people who weren't. Kind of like those zealous vegetarians.
Who decides when they deserve it? How will anyone understand how to raise their children properly if there is the faster way of just smacking them and causing anger and trauma? How will anyone realize that people don't have to resort to hitting each other if their parents hit them as punishment for hitting others and for expressing yourself?Thomas-101 said:I'm glad mine did. It made me learn my lesson quickly. Parents today should be allowed to hit their kids, but of course only in moderation and only when they truley diserve it. To be honest it would be easier if people didn't have to resort to hitting each other in the first place.
Everything we do is governed by fear, just fear in different ways, stop being naive. Why do I fear fire? Because I don't want to get burned. Do I resent the fire for burning me? No, I treat it with respect.cabooze said:What I meant was that when hitting your children you get them to realize that what they did was wrong and you get them to stop doing it (at least in front of you). However, it is impossible to get them to respect you. Respect gained through violence is fear. nothing more and nothing less. If you don't know how to raise a child without beating it over the head then you are making this world a worse place for future generations. violence brings violence, fear brings fear.Daystar Clarion said:Exactly this. I don't necessarily disagree with not hitting a child, it's the bullshit, holier than thou response I hate by people who weren't. Kind of like those zealous vegetarians.Bourne said:It is nice to see that even this forum is not above having users who decide to inject their own meaning into others' posts.cabooze said:So you didn't curse at your parents because you respected them or because you thought that it was a bad thing to do, you didn't curse at them because you was afraid of your father hitting you with a belt? Over here, almost nobody would dream of belting their child. It's what they did in the middle ages because people didn't know how to communicate with their children in any other way than the fist.
I am not sure Medieval children were beaten with belts, and I am also not sure doing something in the Middle Ages makes it archaic or evil... they drank beer in the Middle Ages, they ate pork in the Middle Ages, men had sex with women in the Middle Ages, well, you get my point (I hope).
Having a lesson "spanked" into isn't the creation of some fearful Pavlovian response to a behavior, it is a wake-up call that if something you have done could incur such a punishment, there must really be something fundamentally wrong with it. Time spent alone after a spanking was often the most cathartic for me at a young age, because I was trying to understand what could make the only two people in the world I had loved want to physically hurt me, and I always came to the conclusion it was because what I had done was truly bad, which, 99% of the time, it was.
So, to answer your question, no, I didn't stop cursing at my parents out of fear, I did it out of respect and understanding for the purpose of the punishment and the consequences of the behavior.
And the "holier than thou" argument is bullshit. people can't raise their kids however they want or Josef Fritzl would be walking free. Saying that someone else is full of shit because they try to help children from unnecessary violence (yes, I know I sound like a PETA executive) is just wrong. In many cases, hitting a child will cause resentment and emotional trauma.
Why is that so absurd? It's called sarcasm and there's nothing wrong with it and expressing an opinion.manaman said:Does it look like it was supposed to be funny? And I don't ask that sarcastically. I didn't mean that statement as funny, I sometimes point out how absurd people are being, and that was all I was doing there.Echer123 said:I...what?manaman said:You didn't say it. You typed it. With the ability to read over it. If you didn't want to make a statement you wouldn't have posted that. If you really had second thoughts about posting it you would have edited it.Puddle Jumper said:Oh yeah, my mom would smack me around if I went too far. It made me the level headed serial rapist I am to ... forget I said that.
You are more then entitled to your opinion, but you should probably working on not belittling another's opinion while making your stance vague, and then ask people to over look it. It just comes across as childish and petty, and you know what? It does more to reinforce the OPs statement than your own.
If that was supposed to be funny, I don't get it.
OT: No. Unless you count 'light swipes with a magazine' as hitting.