Poll: Do non-humans deserve human rights?

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Triple G

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Peram said:
I think that animals should get certain rights. No, I don't mean the ability to vote or anything, I mean I think we shouldn't be able to just treat them however we want.
Mistreatment of animals is a crime, you know. At least in some countries, like Germany, or Russia. Don't know about other countries but I would say in the old EU-countries it's a drime, too.
 

iggyus

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But all this debate will be pretty much pointless since the aliens will most likely come here, exterminate us like vermin, harvest our planet and leave without caring about rights and freedoms
 

Cid Silverwing

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iggyus said:
But all this debate will be pretty much pointless since the aliens will most likely come here, exterminate us like vermin, harvest our planet and leave without caring about rights and freedoms
Going a bit much into Command & Conquer 3, aren't we?
 

BuckminsterF

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Not to be offensive, but people with Downs Syndrome technically aren't human (wrong number of chromosomes), but they get the same rights (more or less).
 
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BuckminsterF said:
Not to be offensive, but people with Downs Syndrome technically aren't human (wrong number of chromosomes), but they get the same rights (more or less).
So because I have an extra chromosome I'm not human?
 

DisturbiaWolf13

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Berethond said:
It kind of doesn't matter.
Seeing as there are none.
(Sentient non-humans, I mean.)
(Well, at least not sentient in the way we are...)
how do you know? i mean there are so many planets in a solar system and so many solar systems in a galaxy and err...how many galaxies are there? what are the chances of us being the only planet in existence to have intelligent life?
 

Berethond

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DisturbiaWolf13 said:
Berethond said:
It kind of doesn't matter.
Seeing as there are none.
(Sentient non-humans, I mean.)
(Well, at least not sentient in the way we are...)
how do you know? i mean there are so many planets in a solar system and so many solar systems in a galaxy and err...how many galaxies are there? what are the chances of us being the only planet in existence to have intelligent life?
Bolded for you.

Chances are, there is other intelligent life.
Chances are, even if we find them, we would never be able to communicate with them.

They probably wouldn't even have a language as we could understand it.
 

DisturbiaWolf13

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Peram said:
I think that animals should get certain rights. No, I don't mean the ability to vote or anything, I mean I think we shouldn't be able to just treat them however we want.
were do you live? im in the uk and animals have rights here.
 

BuckminsterF

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philosophicalbastard said:
BuckminsterF said:
Not to be offensive, but people with Downs Syndrome technically aren't human (wrong number of chromosomes), but they get the same rights (more or less).
So because I have an extra chromosome I'm not human?
from a biological viewpoint having an extra chromosome makes someone a mutant, but that doesn't mean they're any less deserving of basic civil rights. Like I said, I don't mean to be offensive...
 

The Austin

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tellmeimaninja said:
The Austin said:
I <3 PRAWNS!

BE NICE TO PRAWNS!

I'M IN P.E.T.P.!

(People for the Ethical Treatment of Prawns)
Where is this organization? I must join. NOW.
I wish I could start a group on the escapist or somthing...
 

Coolness

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Probably been said multiple times, but no.

Animals do deserve rights as living things capable of feeling, but not equal to human rights.

Sentience should get a level of greater respect.
 

theultimateend

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Cama Zots said:
This is the District-9 question. Do non-humans deserve human rights? The question applies to extra-terrestrial species, not other species native to Earth.
What do you think?

I personally think it would be wrong to impose human moral standards and rights on a species that is utterly alien. As demonstrated by Orson Scott Card in Speaker for the Dead. The Piggies and the Fromics (buggers) have completely different views on life and death and personal rights. Piggies ritualistically kill themselves to reproduce, and they killed humans because they believed the same was true for us. The right to be killed by a close friend is very dear to them. The same is not true for humans.
As a rule people shouldn't be assholes.

That's it.

Doesn't matter what we are talking about, just don't be an asshole.

I think its a pretty solid system. Sure you can lie to other people and say you don't think you are an asshole (when you personally know you are) but that's just being an asshole and returns us to the original rule.

Plus more often than not examples of why we shouldn't just not be assholes end up being straw men.

"What if race X loved having anal sex with human infants? Would you let them."

...That wouldn't happen.

"But what if it did."

It wouldn't.
 

Hephaesto

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I'd say yes they deserve them, but trying to get them to see it that way is always a terrible idea. We have the same problem on a much local scale with the west and fundamentalist Islam. They treat women like shit,but because we bomb the crap out of them in an attempt to prove otherwise, none of them are going to listen.

I don't see how we can impose our "morality" on another race when not everyone holds true to the same boundaries of morality on our own planet.
 

seryoga

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how is what were doing to them any different then how minorities used to be treated everybody deserves equality
 

theultimateend

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seryoga said:
how is what were doing to them any different then how minorities used to be treated everybody deserves equality
Most people get treated like shit. (Or at least worse than they should be treated)

Minority or not.

It's a complete fallacy that any group has unanimously had it all gravy. That fallacy is why everyone will never be gravy, because we largely assume that fellow of race X has more gravy than us when it is likely that he has just as much desire for gravy as we do.

Most humans are sitting in front of a plate of potatoes and don't have the amount of gravy they wish they did. It doesn't matter what color you are, more often than not it matters where you live not who you are.

If you live in the center of Africa you can be as white as the driven snow and still be in the shitter. If you live in the puget sound you can be as black as the darkest night and still have it pretty good.

The biggest mistakes those aliens made in District 9 was not landing near Seattle. Washingtonians would have been all up in their space ship hooking them up with high speed internet.

PS. I realize that there are people starving in the world, my potatoes and gravy speech was not literal. I forget the term, I'll just say it was metaphorical since that's probably leaning in the direction of what it was.
 

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The prawn buggers have rights. One of the greatest ways to interact is to eat each others food. why can't they do this, why do we treat them like dirt and slaves. Let them integrate into society. of course were breaking MNU safety regulations, not for Bethlehem PA thou! Hooray I'm safe from the oppressors!
 

The Austin

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The Austin said:
tellmeimaninja said:
The Austin said:
I <3 PRAWNS!

BE NICE TO PRAWNS!

I'M IN P.E.T.P.!

(People for the Ethical Treatment of Prawns)
Where is this organization? I must join. NOW.
I wish I could start a group on the escapist or somthing...
Dear MR. Tellmeinaninja,

I have just started an official PETP group. feel free to join anytime. It can be found under the group tab in your profile.

PRAWNS DESERVE RIGHTS!!
 

theultimateend

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The Austin said:
The Austin said:
tellmeimaninja said:
The Austin said:
I <3 PRAWNS!

BE NICE TO PRAWNS!

I'M IN P.E.T.P.!

(People for the Ethical Treatment of Prawns)
Where is this organization? I must join. NOW.
I wish I could start a group on the escapist or somthing...
Dear MR. Tellmeinaninja,

I have just started an official PETP group. feel free to join anytime. It can be found under the group tab in your profile.

PRAWNS DESERVE RIGHTS!!
Far be it for me to disagree with a Guinea Pirate. I'm in.