Poll: Do we nice guys still stand a chance?

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countrysteaksauce

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The trick is to make them laugh and allow your charm to come through. Never go for a cheap laugh based on some physical condition of hers. Just keep talking, give out opinions, criticize/praise things you are both familiar with. Even lighthearted trolling can work. Go forth internet and use your begotten skills!
 

floppylobster

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It's not about being a jerk. Those guys are just comfortable and confident around woman and don't have to change who they really are (which just happens to be jerks).

So if you can be yourself and confident around a woman, without trying to be nice because she's a woman, then you'll be fine. But if you always have to "treat a lady like a lady" then she'll most likely find that patronizing and annoying and you'll appear weak and unattractive.
 

Herzesser

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Hi.

I'm a nice guy.

I'm a gentleman, I'm shy, I don't socialize easily or often and am often quite unsure what the heck it is I'm doing. I loan out money that I'll never see again and feel bad asking to get it back.

That said, I'm presently in a relationship with a lovely woman that's coming on a year. If I, a guy who formerly used to complain about the EXACT things this topic asks about, have a chance then yes. Yes, nice guys in general have a chance.

First, your entire premise (that you can know anything about "women nowadays" based on a handful of interactions with certain women) is false. Every woman is an individual with their own desires, interests and tastes.

You may well be handicapping your own ability to succeed at dating by holding such a perspective. I know it kicked my ass when I was your age.

Speaking of: You are seventeen years old. You are too young to even pretend that you know what it is you're talking about here. People at your age behave in a variety of ways that they won't once you're an adult. You do not know what "women nowadays" want. You are seventeen and, therefore, have no experience with "women nowadays". Just the young women and girls in your peer group. Women and girls who are, by the way, going through the same load of BS you are while also having to head off the potentiality of rape.

She did not dump you because you were "too nice".

This girl was, likely, lying to you to spare your (apparently quite fragile) ego. "Too nice" is a way to make it sound as if the problem she had with you was REALLY a GOOD THING and to create the impression that she, being the one doing the dumping,

The problem, then, is one of perspective.

What is "nice"? What is "a jerk"?

If "nice" is mumbling a bunch, hovering around and expecting praise for treating a member of the opposite sex (or same sex, as I have gay friends who've made this same complaint) like a human being or with any amount of courtesy, then it's not nice.

Being nice means nothing more than being considerate of others and honest about your motivations. If you want to date a girl, ask her out. And if she says she wants to just be friends, accept that and ask a DIFFERENT girl out.

You WILL be rejected.

Because EVERYONE gets rejected at some point.

Yes, even those "jerks". Even the girls and women you want to ask out.

EVERYONE GETS REJECTED.

Everyone will be friend-zoned at some point in their life. Everyone will have a breakup based on a little ego-sparing white lie at some point in their life.

Further, if being "a jerk" is acting confident (keyword is acting, as, again, everyone fears rejection), taking care of your appearance or stating what you want plainly and honestly, then being "a jerk" is just code for "acting more adult".

Or, more charitably to those of us who lack the social bluster or who socialized later in life (23-ish here), acting out our socially-imposed gender role. The "jerks" attract more attention from women at this stage in your life because it's easier for women (who have a lot of social pressure to act in certain ways which are conducive to idea constructs like "women nowadays" and to be pleasers and to stroke the male ego when they can) to know what to do around guys who conform to the societal "norm".

You will grow up. You will meet girls who are interested in you.

Hit the gym so you are an attractive specimen when you hit your twenties. Read all kinds of books; fiction, non-fiction, philosophy, anthropology, etc. to make sure you will always have something clever to say about a wide variety of subjects. Make sure your clothes fit you. Take acting lessons or public speaking courses if you have trouble talking in public.

And if you DO find yourself being "just friends" with a girl, ask her for advice in the matters of clothing or if there's anything that might help you date SOMEONE ELSE.

I promise you, your female friends (if you let them actually become your friends as opposed to people you hang out with in the hopes that they'll one day pity you enough to have sex with you, which is just painful for everyone) can be an invaluable resource for not only advice on how to meet and talk to women, but also to understand what the problem ACTUALLY IS.

'Cause, again, I don't buy that you're "too nice".

The best part is that with the exception of some of your clothing (which is a great way to attract someone who doesn't know what's going on in your head), you don't actually have to change who you are at your core. You can be interested in video games, comic books and D&D and still have a good romantic life.

If you're a basically nice person, there will be people for you.

And if you keep that in mind and don't expect to get anything without having to work at it and don't let yourself become bitter or angry or entitled, you'll be able to find those people.

Last but not least, though, is "the Barry Rule" which states that "What you like is as important as what you are like".

Make sure the girls you're courting are interested in the same things you are. At least one of them.

The old stereotype goes that the nerdy guy (that is: me) will go after the cheerleader.

With some exceptions, cheerleaders tend to be very into their gender role which means no video games, no comic books, no D&D, no fun movies, no good music. So, with nothing in common, why would you go out, right?

There's hope for you. Just keep growing up and improving your understanding of the world. It's the old Dan Savage rule: "Don't worry about getting your fifteen year-old self laid; worry about getting your twenty year-old self laid."

Best of luck.
 

Azmael Silverlance

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If you are a nice guy you have a chance....alto 1 night stands might elude you.
But if you are ugly no matter how nice you are....it will be very hard for you :D
 

Tetranitrophenol

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In an evolutionary therm, a jerk is most of the time a tough guy, someone that she (blindly) believes she can depend on. Since in the time of our ancestors, tough guys were the ones that were good hunters and excelled on defending their mate, which lead women to instinctively get attracted by tough guy figures. Then after puberty when her brain begins to do the thinking and not her tits, she will figure out that a nice guy which can provide for her is by far the best option.

Unfortunately for you, you seem to be in your "teen" years, and right now, your niceness just doesnt cut it. What are you giving the girl that will make HER comfortable by being with you? make her feel that a man is standing beside her?!
Considering that you making a thread about this, leads me to assume you don't have much to offer her (skinny/fat, dorky/looserish). Here is an advice; work out, start wearing decent clothing, fix your attitude and for pete's sake become someone that she can be proud of being with!!

And, believe me when I tell you this, It is only then that being nice to her really shines. Otherwise your "niceness" is nothing more than a thin layer trying to cover up for your own mediocrity.
 

Doclector

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Well sure!

If you look at the very least, normal, that is.

Girls do not go for jerks, just like men do not go for complete b****es. Both sexes go for good looking people. Simple as.
 

Mordwyl

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Usually my problem is they're always taken, so it's more about bad timing than anything. As people have already said, confidence will take you a long way, regardless of your demeanor. Just make sure the girl you're actually interested in is single to begin with to avoid awkward situations.
 

sleeperhit79

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women want the best of both worlds, they want a nice guy who's also a badass when need be but will usually settle for the jerks and then complain that there are no nice guys. I'm speaking from personal experience, the best way to get off the friend zone is to confront the guy that treats her like shit, if you get your ass kicked you're still golden, but if you win the fight it's a guaranteed lay. I'm not saying to look for trouble, women actually hate a guy that picks fights, but lose their minds over a guy that wins a fight he didn't start.
 

Watchmacallit

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Be nice but be fun so that means be a little bit of a jerk. You won't get the girl first but you'll get her after she realises what an idiot she was with the other guys.
 

Kurt Cristal

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You gotta add a smidgen of jerk. Be mean every now and again, but only be mean when it doesn't matter. Like you're riding in the car with your GF and she takes a wrong turn, just be like, "God you're such a terrible driver!" Not really that mean cuz it hardly matters and it's almost playful anyway. You'd be surprised how receptive women are to that.

-_-;;
 

Digitaldreamer7

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Lower your looks standards a bit. Girls that are what mainstream media considers "hot" are typically ignorant and full of themselves just like the guys they attract.

Another rule to follow is the "hot/crazy scale"

Youtube it. Neil Patrick Harris put's it very very well.
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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Either you want a girl or a woman. A real woman knows what and who she wants, girls still think bad-boys are the way to go.
Concentrate on getting your life together and being content with what you have, stop looking for a partner and chances are one will find you.
But make yourself available, and don't let anyone walk over you.
 

crop52

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so i was reading this men's health magazine, (i was only borrowing it from a friend) and it showed an article saying that women are attracted to guys that are nice to them, and everyone in their circle, but pricks to everybody else,

my mind was suddenly blown, go ahead, think about it for a bit,
 

Rayne870

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just be yourself, eventually you will find someone compatible with that, that is all there is to it.
 

Caligulove

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It's all about confidence.

A lot of the guys that seem to be 'winning' against the so-called nice guys are douches. Confident, sure, but still dicks when it comes to their intentions and such, Don't get me wrong. I think that for the most part though, it's confused with a guy having confidence or being particularly animated, coupled with the insecurities that the 'nice guy' doesnt want to admit about himself.
 

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Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself! It wouldn't be so cliche if it didn't work! Seriously, the second you start acting like someone you're not, you lose your compatibility with her. Fish in the sea, not darkest before dawn, if not meant to be, it's not meant to beblahblahblahblahblahblahblah. Now you are ready!
 

Kurokami

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Mr S said:
This question is for all the ladies (especially the Dutch ones):
Are girls still interested in nice guys or is there really no more hope for us?

It has recently (past 17 years) come to my attention that a lot of men act like jerks in front of women, and the women seem to be enjoying it. Which leads me to think that women nowadays are attracted to complete douches.

(Un)fortunately, I don't belong to that specific group, and I consider myself to be a nice and confident guy.
In fact, my last date said it wasn't gonna work out because I was too nice.
Now I've tried to be a jerk, but I don't like myself anymore when I do that.
And neither do other people, so it would seem I am doing something terribly wrong.

Is there still any chance for us? We are just regular guys, except for that we aren't complete douches.

Also I've noticed that especially city girls are attracted to jerks, please comment on that too :)

Ok, I've read the replies and I'd like to delve deeper in the "some do like nice guys, some like jerks" thing. Now I believe that. Problem is I can't seem to find the ones that like nice guys. I just run into jerk-loving girls OR girls that already are in relations with other nice guys.
Girls vary, much like anyone else, so they can't really be generalized like that, so yeah, you've got a shot with a girl somewhere out there. To be frank though, it's got alot to do with looks, so if you're not a looker, or as much of a looker as a jerk, then bad luck.
 

RaikuFA

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deserteagleeye said:
Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself Be yourself! It wouldn't be so cliche if it didn't work! Seriously, the second you start acting like someone you're not, you lose your compatibility with her. Fish in the sea, not darkest before dawn, if not meant to be, it's not meant to beblahblahblahblahblahblahblah. Now you are ready!
thats not true, i was myself and it didnt work