That's why I never said, not once, that there were no aliens around. I was just correcting the "science" of people said there "must be".kellenheller said:
Poll: Do you believe in aliens?
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Yes, but the rover won't be able to bring it back following Mars's winter, so it will remain nothing more than an odd-looking rock to the scientific methodJokerGrin said:
You know the size of the star has very little to o with it, unless the star is going to explode. There is a "safe zone" or area/distance from the star which let its be alright for life. This "safe zone" varies fromm star to star. We could live on mars with a very little help because its in the safe zone. It just needs a thick atmospere. Also, just because the universe is "big" doesn't mean there is life out there. If the universe is infinite then yes there is a good chance(infinity) that there is life out there but it could also mean ther is none. We don't know. But then, i've always been for equality so we can exist why can't they?..you guys should read the enders game series, it basically deals wih this crap and very vibrantly shows how different aliens are and how we are likely to deal with them(xenocide)*cough*Shapsters said:Actually "space is big man" has everything to do with it. You have NO idea what is in the universe, you didn't counter my argument at all, you just keep saying the same thing, if you didn't see it, it never happened. The universe to to large to ever know if there is other life or not. Explain to me, why in another galaxy, trillions of light-years away, could there not be a star roughly the size of our sun, a planet with roughly the same structure of earth and roughly the same distance away? You can't!cuddly_tomato said:No. In fact if you read back you will see that I specifically bring that very point up. The fact we don't know how life started here makes us less able, not more able, to judge whether life exists elsewhere or not (read my poll analogy).Mazty said:
What does that have to do with it? "Space is big, man" doesn't really mean a lot does it? How many other Earth like planets do you know about? And how many of those have life? And how often has that life managed to get past single-cell stages before the planet is blow up, frozen, core gone cold, its star gone nova, been blitzed with comets etc?Shapsters said:How much of the universe have we explored? .01%? Earth got lucky that it was life sustainable, it had the right sized sun, the right distance away from the sun, and the right formation. It may not be possible to prove that other beings do exist, but due to the vastness of the universe, what makes you think that the luck that earth had couldn't happen some where else in the INFINITE universe?
(btw, infinite is supposed to be bold, or underlined, but I am too lazy. I am not yelling
You don't know any?
Then how can you say that there are aliens around?
No definitive proof for me yet, but a lot of it is pretty sound. I believe we are not alone... it's just a matter of proper First Contact being made which will probably never happen because humans, especially ones with power in the world, are violent and destructive. They fear what they do not understand... which is also a basis for much hate amongst ourselves all over the planet, sadly. Me, I'm non-violent, non-competitive, easy-going, and open-minded. If an alien ship wanted to touchdown in my yard right now and say 'hey' face-to-face without all the abduction jive, I wouldn't be opposed to it.
Crop circles can be easily forged, in fact, I don't even consider those when looking for alien evidence.
Abductions? A few, I'm sure, could be substantiated but not all of them. From what can be gathered from many of the more documented ones, there are some that are hostile abductions, and some that are peaceful; one documented that was so harmless that the aliens supposedly disembarked and led the abducted couple on-board in a non-threatening manner. This always makes me think of the theory that there is more than one faction of alien visitors. Ones that want to exploit us, and ones that try to protect us. Again, just theories.
There's a high chance that we've had visitors here in the past who have directly intervened in our world's civilizations. Several examples can be found with the Egyptians and Mayans in their ancient writings and carvings. Where we dismiss this imagery as Pagan Gods of less sophisticated human cultures, we never stop to consider that aliens descending from the sky came across as celestial beings to these people and were, hence, held in that regard.
And UFO sightings seem to be more and more frequent in recent years. There are skeptics who dismiss them sometimes as supposed "test flights" of new military crafts. These same skeptics, who desire proof that it was an alien UFO, will take what the government tells us as the gospel truth. To that I say that I want to see proof that it was a military test flight. Not saying that I'm convinced it was alien, just that I want proof for ALL sides of the argument. Of all the UFO witnesses out there, the most trustworthy sources would have to be airline pilots. They know what is and isn't normal in the skies, if they described something uncommon to this planet, you can rest assured that it's 90% true.
I don't know though... I guess I'm just a naive futurist that only wishes to see the world get over itself, grow up, and join the galactic community someday if there even is one.
Crop circles can be easily forged, in fact, I don't even consider those when looking for alien evidence.
Abductions? A few, I'm sure, could be substantiated but not all of them. From what can be gathered from many of the more documented ones, there are some that are hostile abductions, and some that are peaceful; one documented that was so harmless that the aliens supposedly disembarked and led the abducted couple on-board in a non-threatening manner. This always makes me think of the theory that there is more than one faction of alien visitors. Ones that want to exploit us, and ones that try to protect us. Again, just theories.
There's a high chance that we've had visitors here in the past who have directly intervened in our world's civilizations. Several examples can be found with the Egyptians and Mayans in their ancient writings and carvings. Where we dismiss this imagery as Pagan Gods of less sophisticated human cultures, we never stop to consider that aliens descending from the sky came across as celestial beings to these people and were, hence, held in that regard.
And UFO sightings seem to be more and more frequent in recent years. There are skeptics who dismiss them sometimes as supposed "test flights" of new military crafts. These same skeptics, who desire proof that it was an alien UFO, will take what the government tells us as the gospel truth. To that I say that I want to see proof that it was a military test flight. Not saying that I'm convinced it was alien, just that I want proof for ALL sides of the argument. Of all the UFO witnesses out there, the most trustworthy sources would have to be airline pilots. They know what is and isn't normal in the skies, if they described something uncommon to this planet, you can rest assured that it's 90% true.
I don't know though... I guess I'm just a naive futurist that only wishes to see the world get over itself, grow up, and join the galactic community someday if there even is one.
I don't mind you quoting the OP with no specific points to argue, but your post doesn't even make sense. Read it yourself before posting it.TopHatTim said:
Depends what kind of billion dollars you're talking about.kellenheller said:
If you're talking about the abstract concept of a billion dollars, then no.
If you're talking about a specific grouping of a billion dollars, for instance if you claimed to possess a billion dollars, then yes, some evidence for that billion dollars would be required.
Which is largely the same as my opinion about alien life. I can conceptually accept that it may well exist in the universe, but I would need compelling evidence to support any individual specific alien life.
this is like arguing the existence of a god "you can't see it so it can't exist", "But how did we come to be?", "dunno", "then there must be a god"....it's wierd cause the athiests are arguing with the belief side of things for once.cuddly_tomato said:
Also mr tomato man, there is no reason they couldn'nt possibly exist. There is a possibility they don't, but process of "common sense" dictates: 1 sun in 1 galaxy can support life, means infinite suns in infinte number of galaxies has infintite chance to support life. good odds neh?
Aliens? Absolutely. I refuse to believe we are the only life in the entire universe.
Do they come here and abduct people? I certainly hope not, taking who they "abduct" into account. Never taking physicists, doctors, politicians, or professors they would assume we are all drunken, inbred hicks.
Do they come here and abduct people? I certainly hope not, taking who they "abduct" into account. Never taking physicists, doctors, politicians, or professors they would assume we are all drunken, inbred hicks.
Work me through that process.Lullabye said:
How do you come to the conclusion that 1 sun in 1 galaxy can support life?
Also, galaxies don't have infinite suns, and as far as we know the universe isn't infinite.
So we don't have any idea what those odds are. We can't put any figures on them.
Who is the one person that voted "No, for religious reasons"? I'm totally surprised there's only 1 person who went for that. How can religious people possibly vote yes?
So aliens would worship a God they learn from a Bible they have never ever seen or heard of before, from an alien civilization (humans) they've never knew existed?
So aliens would worship a God they learn from a Bible they have never ever seen or heard of before, from an alien civilization (humans) they've never knew existed?
I agree with this. You can't say that their is proof that there is currently life on another planet and you would need hard evidence. The meteorite does give more hope towards it but does not increase any odds that their are aliens. However the original question was whether or not you believe in aliens. I think that most of the people who have responded in this thread need to actually take the time to read not only the question but the options for an answer that have been provided as well.cuddly_tomato said:
1st up: i know that our sun supports our lives, so i know at least 1 sun in 1 galaxy can support life.cuddly_tomato said:
2nd: as far as we know, the thiing that holds us on earth isn't gravity, just an invisable force with similar properties....basically we know shit all about the universe, we only theorize. What we do know is that existence and nonexistence have infinite possibility. if our universe isn't infinite then that raises other question like multi dimensional existence and such. Plus we have no idea whether or not we actually exist ourselves, we only assume we do because we don't know what it means to not exist. For all we know, this is non existence. For all we know, you're actually tomato, which would explain why your so grounded. lol
So hows this, we humans are a bunch of stupid fucks whop have to make imaginary friends to feel important and theories to feel smart. We know nothing, and there seems to be a good chance we never will.
Would god be categorised as an alien if it exists?...that question has been bugging me.....
EDIT: y are we arguing, I don't know ther is alien life out there, and niether do you or any of us, lets just plead ignorance and work toward a brighter tomorrow!
HEy, if we came from another planet and say we find said planet are we aliens? if life is on the planet then are they aliens? is an alien simply life that developed on another planet? because say we colonize mars and some baby is born there does that make it an alien to earth?