Poll: Do you trust your government?

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Iron Mal

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axia777 post=18.75011.853950 said:
Pernese post=18.75011.853899 said:
Many people(in this context, Americans) are eager to speak of the heinous abuses of power perpetrated by the current government. Warrentless wiretapping, Guantanamo Bay, Abu Ghraib. Yet I have yet to meet a single American citizen who can tell me of a specific instance of their civil rights being violated. Citizens don't disappear from their homes for bad mouthing government policies, people aren't being randomly wiretapped(the process is prohibitively expensive and manpower consuming), government funded university staff aren't being replaced with professors and deans who toe the current party line.

The actions the American government have taken since September 11th have been to ensure the safety and security of the American people while infringing upon their civil rights as little as possible. The detainees at Guantanamo Bay fall under enemy combatant status not because the government wishes to hold them forever just because, rather they are there because of their own choices. The majority of the insurgent fighters are Iranian or Syrian in nationality, and to put them on trial would be to invite open hostilities with either of those two governments, something that should be avoided until the situations in Iraq and Afghanistan have been quelled.

With the sole exception of C-Span, all of the popular media outlets in the United States are either mildly slanted or completely biased in one way or another. Karl Rove is an analyst for Fox News, James Carlville is an analyst for CNN. The purpose of a major news outlet is not to deliver the news in an unbiased way, but to provoke as much sensationalism as possible to raise profits. Networks and newspapers are businesses, they are all run by faceless corporate boardrooms.

As for myself, I trust my government to do its best to deal with the problems presented to it. I understand the necessity of state secrets, just as I am grateful for the Freedom of Information Act. Deriding the government as either evil or praising it as saintly places you in a polarized ideology camp. Take the government as what it is, a collection of fallible people, and try to better it.
You keep drinking that poisoned Right Wing Kool-Aid man. Keep on gulping down. They LOVE people like you. You voted for people like Bush and were proud you did. The insanity just never ends, does it?
Hold on a second, the guy actually makes some pretty valid observations and you more or less overlook everything he's said since it is a positive outlook and differs from your own left wing/socialist perspective (isn't the free exchange of ideas and the capacity to have your views and beliefs appreciated in open discusion supposed to be the point of forums?).

What I'm trying to say here is, even if you openly disagree with what someone says, come up with a valid reason why rather than just hurling abuse in response (it wouldn't hurt to see some more open minded individuals in society).
 

The_General

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I wouldn't know if I am able to trust my govenrnment. So far, everything seems fine and dandy. But who knows what's brewing under the surface?
 

DannyDamage

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No. It's always been a case of the lesser of 2 evils, always. If you want to feel exempt from their laws you'd better either become a high ranking politician, or try and find your way inside the panties of royalty.
 

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right now? i trust them to suck and fail. to take the worst possible course of action. and to read this before you do(the cia has a mind reading chip in my appendix).
 

Galletea

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I'll say yes. Because I know that the government will do very little to rock the boat if it can, spout false promises all the time and pretend to be working for the public.

They haven't deviated from my expectations thus far, so I trust them to continue being lame.
 

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Shivari post=18.75011.855084 said:
DC_Josh post=18.75011.853819 said:
Democracy is old. Very old. Our sociaties in the western world, where knowlege is everything and our personal freedoms belong to the state, can no longer fuction under democracy. Our leaders recognise this and are now milking this for all its worth. We should not trust them as far as we could throw them as they most certainly do not trust us.
This is intriguing. I always feel that some system will eclipse democracy, but I can never really put my finger on what it could be.
Some form of Psudo-Communistic tribal law, in which city councils and states are more responsble for their own laws, focusing down into the small scale communities, whereby each person is encouraged with incentives to contribute something. Take what Orange Mobile did recently in the UK. They offered free concert tickets to anyone willing to do community service. This removes the stigma of crime and punishment which community service holds within its claw, and improves ones local surroundings (in my city, one of the local parks was cleaned and new gates installed by these music loving youths).
 

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Democracy is absolutely horrible. We obviously can't be trusted to pick a good leader. I think we should just pick a person, completely at random, and make them be President for a week (like Jury Duty). Since everyone is only President for a week, they can't screw anything up too badly, and at least it will be interesting.
 

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leafsnail post=18.75011.855644 said:
Democracy is absolutely horrible. We obviously can't be trusted to pick a good leader. I think we should just pick a person, completely at random, and make them be President for a week (like Jury Duty). Since everyone is only President for a week, they can't screw anything up too badly, and at least it will be interesting.
But then nothing will be done. Nothing can change, while policies would be so rapidly changing without the time to put them into practise.
 

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galletea post=18.75011.855660 said:
leafsnail post=18.75011.855644 said:
Democracy is absolutely horrible. We obviously can't be trusted to pick a good leader. I think we should just pick a person, completely at random, and make them be President for a week (like Jury Duty). Since everyone is only President for a week, they can't screw anything up too badly, and at least it will be interesting.
But then nothing will be done. Nothing can change, while policies would be so rapidly changing without the time to put them into practise.
Exactly, that's why it's such a good idea.
 

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Stevato post=18.75011.853610 said:
My mistrust towards the British Government is because of the fact it seems they make most of their decisions by shouting at eachother in the House of Commons... sometimes if we're very lucky there may be a fist fight :S

Sounds fun, but when u watch you'll think "wow, so our county is ran like this?"
I know what you mean. I watched it once and it just seemed like they were bitching between one and another, and don't give a crap about the people, just as long as they get one up on the other team. I've seen more maturity in High School.
 

Shirahime

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No, not when Gordon Brown's running our country.


Honest to god I think that man needs a meat pie every 5 minutes in order to function. o_O
 

UncleScar

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Gordon Brown isn't running our country, it's the silver fox!
(Alistair Darling)
 

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Well as I live in a free country with the protection guarenteed from invasion, yes. If you do live in a county like mine (You know the countries, western world ones) and you don't trust your goverment, you are always free to fuck off and don't let deportation whack you in the back on the way out.
 

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UncleScar post=18.75011.855920 said:
Gordon Brown isn't running our country, it's the silver fox!
(Alistair Darling)
Gah I dunno. Don't really care too much to be honest. A bloody monkey could be running our country, might do a better job though thinking about it. XD
 

UncleScar

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Shirahime post=18.75011.855926 said:
Gah I dunno. Don't really care too much to be honest. A bloody monkey could be running our country, might do a better job though thinking about it. XD
Quoted for truth.
It's a sad state of affairs when we let Labour mis-manage our country for 10 years by allowing them to promote corporate greed and then when it all blows up, it's not their fault, oh no.
It's the Tories, or the Americans, or Iceland.

I'd have more faith and support if they just admitted it was their own fault, but this is politics and we all know, you can't trust a politician.
 

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UncleScar post=18.75011.855931 said:
Quoted for truth.
It's a sad state of affairs when we let Labour mis-manage our country for 10 years by allowing them to promote corporate greed and then when it all blows up, it's not their fault, oh no.
It's the Tories, or the Americans, or Iceland.

I'd have more faith and support if they just admitted it was their own fault, but this is politics and we all know, you can't trust a politician.
Personally I think the country was better off before Labour got int. Was it the Tories that were in before? I remember when John Major was in and I do remember the country being in a far better state than what it is now. Fair enough it wasn't that great but it wasn't that bad either, even though a lot of people don't like the Tories. Better than a kick int teeth.
 

UncleScar

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The Tories sat in government between 1983 (I think) and 1997.
Largely blamed for the recession that hit in the early 90's and the Poll Tax that ravaged Scotland as well as de-nationalising our industries and leaving us to the wrath of the Gas/Electric and Transport companies that we face today.
So no, they didn't do much better, but right now, I'd pick them over labour, I don't trust Boris Johnson or David Cameron but if I was given the choice to put them in power right now, I'd take that chance.
Frankly, we're screwed either way so what harm is there in trying.