Poll: Do you trust your government?

[Mr.Pandah]

I think most people are taking this in the wrong context.

I trust my government because I trust that the people who wrote out The Constitution wanted the best for this country.

That being said, I don't trust anyone who works for said government; most of them seem to have their own agenda.

Hahaha man, that was a good one. Those guys that wrote out The Constitution, yeah, that Bill of Rights thingy? They wanted equal rights for everyone? Especially all of their slaves. Oh wait who was that guy that said Democracy was the worst of all evils if it was actually left up to the people like it was supposed to? I think it was someone by the name of Jefferson...oh it was! Yeah, I am sure that those wealthy landowners set out to make sure that we all had our "rights". Please, read into things, don't assume that George Washington was some sort of demi-god man.

I don't assume he was a demi-god, and I take your implication that I didn't know all of the above as a personal insult.

The men who wrote the constitution intended to make it so that the land would not be ruled by a ruthless king. They made it so that no single person could not be taken down from his place of power. They made it so that the rights of one man cannot infringe upon the rights of another.

Perhaps instead of making assumptions about the people who wrote the document, you should look at the document itself and ask youself why the people who made it would make it as they did. Pick up any high school history book and read it. Those laws were meant to be considered just short of sacred.

I'm not worried about our country. We aren't screwed unless they defile The Constitution with the will of the masses (laws concerning flag-burning or abortion, for example). We aren't near that point yet. Nowhere near.

Apologies Abound

No, they aren't assumptions, those are truths. It is obvious by the system put in, they just give us a bone every now and then to keep us down. Bah, its pointless to even try explaining this anyways.

 

[Shivari]

<--Canadian.

To those denouncing Socialism, has generosity and selflessness gone out of fashion?

Nope. That's why there's charities.

Don't delude yourself. The 47 million people in America with no Health Care will never be helped by "charities".

Lowering taxes might help them pay it off.
EDIT:
Besides, if there isn't a charity that helps people with health care, it's always possible to make one.

Yeah! Lowering taxes might make that number 46.5 million! Fuck those other people.

And charity will never fully take care of the poor. There needs to be something established helping the poor, not the occasional good in someone's heart.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

<--Canadian.

To those denouncing Socialism, has generosity and selflessness gone out of fashion?

Nope. That's why there's charities.

Don't delude yourself. The 47 million people in America with no Health Care will never be helped by "charities".

Lowering taxes might help them pay it off.
EDIT:
Besides, if there isn't a charity that helps people with health care, it's always possible to make one.

Yeah! Lowering taxes might make that number 46.5 million! Fuck those other people.

And charity will never fully take care of the poor. There needs to be something established helping the poor, not the occasional good in someone's heart.

Perhaps you could establish a charity that will. You are so passionate about it, enough to get sarcastic with me.

 

[Shivari]

Perhaps you could establish a charity that will. You are so passionate about it, enough to get sarcastic with me.

Once again, the goodness in people's hearts just isn't there. There aren't enough people to throw money at a charity for 47 million people to get decent health care. It doesn't matter whether I'm running it or not, it's not going to work.

Tell me, what's wrong with the government providing health care?

 

[Auron555]

I just finished reading Howard Zinn's A People's History of American Empire, a graphic novel. That combined with the current economic events lead me to have minimal trust in the current US Government.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Perhaps you could establish a charity that will. You are so passionate about it, enough to get sarcastic with me.

Once again, the goodness in people's hearts just isn't there. There aren't enough people to throw money at a charity for 47 million people to get decent health care. It doesn't matter whether I'm running it or not, it's not going to work.

Tell me, what's wrong with the government providing health care?

That depends. Do you mean providing health care while maintaining a privatized medical industry or socializing the medical industry altogether? The former I can understand.

 

[Shivari]

Perhaps you could establish a charity that will. You are so passionate about it, enough to get sarcastic with me.

Once again, the goodness in people's hearts just isn't there. There aren't enough people to throw money at a charity for 47 million people to get decent health care. It doesn't matter whether I'm running it or not, it's not going to work.

Tell me, what's wrong with the government providing health care?

That depends. Do you mean providing health care while maintaining a privatized medical industry or socializing the medical industry altogether? The former I can understand.

I'm sure that if we provided health care there would still be private medical institutions around. So if you feel like spending a lot of money that you don't need to, go ahead.

 

[Shivari]

Democracy is old. Very old. Our sociaties in the western world, where knowlege is everything and our personal freedoms belong to the state, can no longer fuction under democracy. Our leaders recognise this and are now milking this for all its worth. We should not trust them as far as we could throw them as they most certainly do not trust us.

This is intriguing. I always feel that some system will eclipse democracy, but I can never really put my finger on what it could be.

 

[000Ronald]

No, they aren't assumptions, those are truths. It is obvious by the system put in, they just give us a bone every now and then to keep us down. Bah, its pointless to even try explaining this anyways.

I'm saying you assumed I'm not aware of the history of my country, and that a person doing an evil thing makes them evil, not that the history of my country was ficticious. I wonder if you even read what I wrote.

What exactly do you mean when you say, "It is obvious by the system put in, they just give us a bone every now and then to keep us down."? I'm not quite sure I understand that statement. Could you clarify it?

It's obvious that you don't think very much of me; you didn't even find it nessecary to answer the question I put forth, that question being "Have you read the Constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights?" I acknowledge that I put it forth in something of a roundabout way, but someone as intellectual as you seem to think you are surely should have been able to figure it out.

Instead of simply dismissing me as another one of the mindless masses, why don't you put forth your thoughts to me. If you don't, I'll simply assume that you have no opinion, besides that America is evil and needs to be burned to the ground; really, though, that's not an opinion so much as it is a fanatic belief, is it?

Apologies for not clarifying myself earlier.

 

[Lord Beautiful]

Perhaps you could establish a charity that will. You are so passionate about it, enough to get sarcastic with me.

Once again, the goodness in people's hearts just isn't there. There aren't enough people to throw money at a charity for 47 million people to get decent health care. It doesn't matter whether I'm running it or not, it's not going to work.

Tell me, what's wrong with the government providing health care?

That depends. Do you mean providing health care while maintaining a privatized medical industry or socializing the medical industry altogether? The former I can understand.

I am critical of government provided health care because if it is all it is cracked up to be, why is it that many Canadians come to America for treatment?

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

I am critical of government provided health care because if it is all it is cracked up to be, why is it that many Canadians come to America for treatment?

Can you cite this claim?

 

[Lord Beautiful]

I am critical of government provided health care because if it is all it is cracked up to be, why is it that many Canadians come to America for treatment?

Can you cite this claim?

http://realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com/2007/09/oh-canada-comes-to-us-for-care.html

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=snow&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

I'll keep updating as I find them.

EDIT:
Here's one.
http://www.healthcarebs.com/2007/09/03/canadians-running-to-us-for-health-care/

 

[Lord Beautiful]

I think it's about my sleepy time. G'night, everyone.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/content/full/21/3/19?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=snow&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

Results from these sources do not support the widespread perception that Canadian residents seek care extensively in the United States. Indeed, the numbers found are so small as to be barely detectible relative to the use of care by Canadians at home.

You didn't read what you posted did you? And this is from a peer reviewed journal

The other links are blogs

 

[zachatree]

I don't know any more....

 

[Sir_Montague]

Nope. I believe similarly to LadyZephyr... There is the occasional good hearted person who you encounter who is involved with the gov't, but seldom do you encounter them en masse...

 

[axia777]

<--Canadian.

To those denouncing Socialism, has generosity and selflessness gone out of fashion?

Nope. That's why there's charities.

Don't delude yourself. The 47 million people in America with no Health Care will never be helped by "charities".

Lowering taxes might help them pay it off.
EDIT:
Besides, if there isn't a charity that helps people with health care, it's always possible to make one.

For 47 million people? Do realize what you are saying? Lowering taxes? Help pay what off? I am confused.

 

[El Chicken]

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/8619

Done.

...This saddens and surprises me that our Goverment would stoop so low. Government corruption at its best.. The world hates us even more now.

There's also the fact that our Government has more information on it's citizens than any other First World Power, and still leaves said information on the train.

I have no idea Why they would even need such info. Except for checking up on the "terrorist" problem perhaps, but apart from that there is no motive. The same goes for the cameras too, its excessive to say the least.

 

[space_oddity]

How do you mean trust?
Like, i would trust my government to watch my car for a minute, but im not sure i would ask it to help me move house. Sticky fingers.

Seriously though, im pretty confident that my government is looking out for my interests, but im a young white university student, so of course the government is looking out for MY intersts.
If i was an asian immigrant or maybe and immigrant from an Islamic country i don't think i would trust my government.

(Australian btw)