Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?
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Proud to be an American. And the fact that this occurs in anyway way shape or form in this land of the free ups the pernicious factor exponentially.DeadlyFred post=9.68355.626100 said:
Didn't you already say it didn't matter to you anyhow because you get all the stuff pirate and so no one cares about the ratings? Does the SA market even use the ESRB ratings to begin with?massuh post=9.68355.626101 said:
Now I just kinda wana beat myself with a thesaurus and listen to the Sex Pistols.bubbaroark0451 post=9.68355.626105 said:
Is it THAT big of a hassle to have a parent buying the game for you? Or are you just feeling all indignant over the implication that you aren't mature, and wanting to assert yourself?
The fact is that ratings are not perfect, but they work roughly. They provide guidelines, and if a store feels that they are best serving their community by following those guidelines, that is their choice and their right. They do not owe you anything. Want to buy whatever you want? Order it in. Buy online. Go somewhere that doesn't care if you're 9 and buying GTA 4.
ESRB doesn't enforce responsibility, but it can, and does, allow parents to make educated decisions in a convenient fashion. And I place that far above the convenience of a demographic that, by and large, doesn't have much of any trouble to deal with.
Also, I second the person that said you should save this stuff to read when you're older. You'll laugh, you'll cry, it'll be like a free ticket to Cats but better.
Subquestion: sex is worse than violence because of the religious roots of North America. The founders of this society were typically Christian in their belief of the sanctity of sex and all that, while violence, hardship, and war were a part of everyday life. So, that's how things turned out. Don't like it, go to Western Europe: they're mostly okay with public nudity and open about sexuality, but abhor violence. Probably because their continent has, relatively recently, been completely ravaged by warfare.
Sex and violence is everywhere on TV and in movies because society's desensitized itself to that by now, and games are still something pretty new in the public conscious - thus the thorny issue of controlling them. So if you have any ideas on how to incorporate a new form of media into society without it being called the devil, share.
The fact is that ratings are not perfect, but they work roughly. They provide guidelines, and if a store feels that they are best serving their community by following those guidelines, that is their choice and their right. They do not owe you anything. Want to buy whatever you want? Order it in. Buy online. Go somewhere that doesn't care if you're 9 and buying GTA 4.
ESRB doesn't enforce responsibility, but it can, and does, allow parents to make educated decisions in a convenient fashion. And I place that far above the convenience of a demographic that, by and large, doesn't have much of any trouble to deal with.
Also, I second the person that said you should save this stuff to read when you're older. You'll laugh, you'll cry, it'll be like a free ticket to Cats but better.
Subquestion: sex is worse than violence because of the religious roots of North America. The founders of this society were typically Christian in their belief of the sanctity of sex and all that, while violence, hardship, and war were a part of everyday life. So, that's how things turned out. Don't like it, go to Western Europe: they're mostly okay with public nudity and open about sexuality, but abhor violence. Probably because their continent has, relatively recently, been completely ravaged by warfare.
Sex and violence is everywhere on TV and in movies because society's desensitized itself to that by now, and games are still something pretty new in the public conscious - thus the thorny issue of controlling them. So if you have any ideas on how to incorporate a new form of media into society without it being called the devil, share.
oh, over in the mid-west we have HY-VEE,and yes it is all capsColton Caramihalis post=9.68355.626108 said:
So why the heck are people from South America complaining about it?Colton Caramihalis post=9.68355.626120 said:
It's just that the idea of not letting someone buy a game because of it's age makes me angry.I mean, not an 8 year old playing gta. but by the age of 14 games cant pervert you anymore. And if they do, I repeat myself you should be in a mental institution.
EDIT: and I'm not complaining about it, personally I don't give a c***. But I have sympathy of my fellow gamers
EDIT: and I'm not complaining about it, personally I don't give a c***. But I have sympathy of my fellow gamers
Because South Americans are champions of freedom, with hearts of gold.DeadlyFred post=9.68355.626127 said:
That's because in other countries, the government handles it. That's your choice. The industry, or the government. And the government's going to be a LOT harsher than the industry.Colton Caramihalis post=9.68355.626120 said:
This is ridiculous. I totally agree with everyone who's calling you out as a 16 year old who can feel that 17 year old limit less than a year away when you'll be able to use your driver's license to get into R movies and buy M games, and is now getting way too antsy.
Civilization works because of boundaries. Good fences make good neighbors. The whole argument for government involvement in the ratings system is that the industry self-regulation fence, which, right now, is essentially the artists' bosses getting together and telling us who their games are meant for, is breaking down, and videogames are becoming bad neighbors (having a detrimental effect on society).
You see everything in black and white. For you, there's a line drawn in the sand, and everyone has made their choice about whether or not to cross it. Life is not set at high contrast. It is a gradient, running smoothly from 100% black to totally white. It's an infinite number of gradients, one for every issue. There's always a middle ground.
Sex is placed higher in distastefulness than violence because sex is generally more sacred than violence. This is most largely reflected in religion (which, in turn is most largely reflected in societies based upon religion, like that of the Western World), where ritual sex occurs more often than ritual violence. Among the Romans, orgies were in part a religious experience, whereas combat was almost entirely entertainment or political. In Catholicism, priests are forbidden to engage in sexual liaisons in emulation of Christ, but the Catholic church has had no problem with those who would wage war in the name of the faith. Society's values are a reflection of its moral principles, and the guiding light for morals is most often religion.
Large fence posts are also a good way to impale dissonant thinkers. Go to far with boundaries and you've surrendered to the politburo.HobbesMkii post=9.68355.626134 said:
As I said in my original post, which you failed to answer I might add, is that blanket policies are designed for the worst case scenario and not the average user. While your parents give a fuck what you watch many do not, these policies are designed to prevent subpar parents from purchasing unsuitable products for their children even when the parent knows said product might be unsuitable.Colton Caramihalis post=9.68355.626096 said:
And spell check your shit. Your posts fill my screen with red squiggles.
Also your moto is hilarious.
And we don't have 101 people mugging us and people getting raped on the evening news.massuh post=9.68355.626130 said:
I will also restate the fact that the whole system is geared more towards liability than actuality. Do you want the gaming industry to get steamrolled by some stupid parental activists groups? You need to realize that the issue goes beyond your own lack of rampant genocidal tendencies, its about appeasing the silly people who like to harp on issues like video games corrupting their children so the industry doesn't have to take as much unwarranted heat from all that noise.
If anything its doing you a bloody favor by trying to assure you will be able to still beat hookers and choke people with plastic bags when you're old enough to buy the games yourself.