Poll: Don?t restrict my gaming purchases! Sub question why is sex conidered worse than violence?

[Saevus]

ESRB is US. Noone else uses it.

Really? Because up here in the Great White North, I see it all about.

And for what's been said about the government being worse, it's true. Be thankful you don't live in Britain or Australia, and when you're old enough to, take action accordingly to ensure shit doesn't happen like '*monocle pops* BY JOVE, A GAME CALLED BULLY?! THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH YOUTH VIOLENCE, NO DOUBT! BAN IT!'

There are very real problems involving censorship and video games, but whether or not you can buy one without a parent's permission as a minor is, well, a very fucking minor issue. Be more concerned about freedom of speech, rights for artistic expression, etc., because those things will affect everyone - not just one demographic of gamers.

And,

I would much rather you have sex in public then you cut someone up anyware.

Perhaps you don't quite get it, but society does not give a flying fedora what you would rather. And besides, both of those things are illegal. And it's just as easy to find public sex (or other exhibitionist) porn as it is to get ye olde violent vidya gaem.

 

[Colton Caramihalis]

Worst case senarios of neglegent parrents should be solved by the goverment and the courts, not a corporation. also if parents are neglagent, there are more problems then bad games.

 

[Colton Caramihalis]

i do agree with severous's last point.

 

[DeadlyFred]

Worst case senarios of neglegent parrents should be solved by the goverment and the courts, not a corporation. also if parents are neglagent, there are more problems then bad games.

But see, that does not happen.

 

[buggy65]

it's rare to find a thread that actually has valid and intlelligent responses. I applaud this thread. (as for spell check... I don't care)

 

[Colton Caramihalis]

The problem is that in america 16 year olds are not considered, even though i am probably more inteligent and informed than the vast majority of adaults.

 

[bubbaroark0451]

If all policies are based upon preventing the worst case scenarios we all might as well be in a constant state of half sedation, under house arrest and touting football helmets. Nothing is ever done when freedom is restricted on behalf of our village idiots.

 

[Saevus]

Worst case senarios of neglegent parrents should be solved by the goverment and the courts, not a corporation. also if parents are neglagent, there are more problems then bad games.

Alright, just as soon as you and everyone else wants to cough up billions more in tax dollars for social services.

OH WAIT.

The problem is that in america 16 year olds are not considered, even though i am probably more inteligent and informed than the vast majority of adaults.

You aren't. The simple fact that you are even suggesting that demonstrates how ignorant and childish you are. I don't mean to insult you, but that is a cold fact.

 

[HobbesMkii]

ESRB is US. Noone else uses it.

That's because in other countries, the government handles it. That's your choice. The industry, or the government. And the government's going to be a LOT harsher than the industry.

Civilization works because of boundaries. Good fences make good neighbors. The whole argument for government involvement in the ratings system is that the industry self-regulation fence, which, right now, is essentially the artists' bosses getting together and telling us who their games are meant for, is breaking down, and videogames are becoming bad neighbors (having a detrimental effect on society).

Large fence posts are also a good way to impale dissonant thinkers. Go to far with boundaries and you've surrendered to the politburo.

Naturally. In an enlightened and open society, however, where the fence is placed is the biggest argument of all. And thanks to the Digital Age and the inability to govern the internet, coupled with the widespread availability to the internet in the United States, you can never fence the fringe out.

 

[Colton Caramihalis]

take them out of stuff like wellfare. put the money towards children, not laizy adaults.

P.S. worse case senarios will alwyas be there deal with the advrage senario.

 

[HobbesMkii]

Worst case senarios of neglegent parrents should be solved by the goverment and the courts, not a corporation. also if parents are neglagent, there are more problems then bad games.

Alright, just as soon as you and everyone else wants to cough up billions more in tax dollars for social services.

OH WAIT.

The problem is that in america 16 year olds are not considered, even though i am probably more inteligent and informed than the vast majority of adaults.

You aren't. The simple fact that you are even suggesting that demonstrates how ignorant and childish you are. I don't mean to insult you, but that is a cold fact.

Quoted For Truth. He bats at you with the left hook of practicality, and then while you're still reeling, slams you with the right hook of reality.

 

[Colton Caramihalis]

the vast majority is an exageration. i am however smarter than some adaults. look at druggies and criminals.

 

[DeadlyFred]

If all policies are based upon preventing the worst case scenarios we all might as well be in a constant state of half sedation, under house arrest and touting football helmets. Nothing is ever done when freedom is restricted on behalf of our village idiots.

Viva Amerika! Land of the free and home of the lowest common denominator.

 

[fluffylandmine]

in response to everything said previously about latin america and i quote "Oh no you did not Chicka!"

and now for something completely different...

in response to the sub question, it reminds me of the old saying "make love not war" in which the hippies belived that the Gov't was trying to only make violence justified and that they were right about how the way things should be. but it doesn't mean they were right, no ideology should be held above another because they're beliefs, and so Nazi-ism is completely fine in their minds much how Christianity is to Christians(yes i did just compare Christianity to Nazis fairly). now what you do is based upon your thoughts, and so as long as nobody's harmed unwillingly it's perfect by me. this is why aethiests are not bad, they think, they're human, they know inconsensual harm is bad.

to sum this up this subquestion is far deeper than the base question, while both are valid points at the same time.

now i have to go watch disney channel to make sure i'm not at a higher state of being(the trick is if it's funny i'm not, although it never is...)

 

[bubbaroark0451]

ESRB is US. Noone else uses it.

That's because in other countries, the government handles it. That's your choice. The industry, or the government. And the government's going to be a LOT harsher than the industry.

Civilization works because of boundaries. Good fences make good neighbors. The whole argument for government involvement in the ratings system is that the industry self-regulation fence, which, right now, is essentially the artists' bosses getting together and telling us who their games are meant for, is breaking down, and videogames are becoming bad neighbors (having a detrimental effect on society).

Large fence posts are also a good way to impale dissonant thinkers. Go to far with boundaries and you've surrendered to the politburo.

Naturally. In an enlightened and open society, however, where the fence is placed is the biggest argument of all. And thanks to the Digital Age and the inability to govern the internet, coupled with the widespread availability to the internet in the United States, you can never fence the fringe out.

I will take great comfort in knowing my mind was brutally beaten into submission in one region as opposed to another for some as yet undefined but undoubtedly similarly stupid purpose. Black and white is easy to see when one is given such bleak options.

 

[massuh]

Well i got tired of this. So... I'll let mi final statement anyone that censors games should be tied in a chair and be brain washed with the game he or she tried to censor and then be filled with drugs so she/he dreams about that every friking night until she/he ends up in a mental institute in a room with fluffy walls, with a force jacket, in fetal position and repeating the name of the game. ( for example: carmageddon... carmageddon... )

 

[bubbaroark0451]

If all policies are based upon preventing the worst case scenarios we all might as well be in a constant state of half sedation, under house arrest and touting football helmets. Nothing is ever done when freedom is restricted on behalf of our village idiots.

Viva Amerika! Land of the free and home of the lowest common denominator.

OHHHHH YEAHHHHHH!!!!!!!

 

[Saevus]

take them out of stuff like wellfare. put the money towards children, not laizy adaults.

P.S. worse case senarios will alwyas be there deal with the advrage senario.

Sorry, but how does that help at all? You're increasing poverty levels, which means that a lot of kids born to poor parents are going to have to either a.) get shipped off to foster care, which takes a LOT of time and effort, or b.) have an even shittier life. Plus you're simultaneously fucking up the economy, likely nudging the crime rate up, and making it even more difficult to close the widening gap between upper and lower classes.

Think before you... Well, just plain think. Maybe you should quit video games altogether and do some reading.

 

[bubbaroark0451]

take them out of stuff like wellfare. put the money towards children, not laizy adaults.

P.S. worse case senarios will alwyas be there deal with the advrage senario.

Sorry, but how does that help at all? You're increasing poverty levels, which means that a lot of kids born to poor parents are going to have to either a.) get shipped off to foster care, which takes a LOT of time and effort, or b.) have an even shittier life. Plus you're simultaneously fucking up the economy, likely nudging the crime rate up, and making it even more difficult to close the widening gap between upper and lower classes.

Think before you... Well, just plain think. Maybe you should quit video games altogether and do some reading.

Actually every major economic study conducted following the great depression has unanimously declared that a reduction in welfare results in reduced unemployment. Market incentives YEAHHHH!!!!