Poll: Duke Nukem Forever - The greatest gaming fail?
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I think the main problem with DNF is that it was made by 3D Realms and Gearbox would have had to of made the game from scratch to make it a proper Duke game. See the problem with that is that maybe the pub forced them to just push it out early. So it isn't just Gearbox's fault here. It is a combo(probably) of Gearbox, 3D Realms and 2K games. Maybe if we get another Duke game it will be a proper game. Even though it has been in production for so long there have been so many different engine changes, etc.
even though some of the things they changed are a bit disappointing (I have only seen the demo) I would still buy it.
You got a point with regard to the outdated graphics, but to be honest they aren't that bad on a PC. Same for the loading times, that are around 10 secs on my computer. Sucks that they screwed the console gamers here, who not only have to pay 10$ more for their game, they also need to endure 45 sec loading screens and bad graphics.o0BigDave0o said:
With regard to your other two weak points, I couldn't disagree more. A bad storyline? Really? It's a Duke Nukem game. Have you played DN3D? That game has no story. At all. And the humour isn't dry either. British humour (think Monty Python) can be classified as dry. The humour in this game leans heavily towards the kind of extreme exaggeration of masculinity, sexism and general awesomeness (think Maddox). Don't know the right word for that type of humour, help me out. But regardless, I personally liked the humour. Types of humour can be pretty personal ofcourse, so you may think Duke's comments are awesome or corny, but the type of humour in DN Forever is kind of the same as in 3D as far as I remember. The game didn't disappoint me there atleast.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a great game, but I certainly don't agree with you on what the game's weak points are. And I definately don't think it is the biggest gaming fail ever. That's probably your disappointment speaking.
IMO the biggest weakpoints of the game are it's very linear level design, which is very unlike DN3D, and the resulting lack of any kind of exploration. Also, the combat is mediocre, while the bossfights could be great fun at times. But this may be a bit of a spoiler, the lack of a jetpack in the campaign was kind of a letdown for me. I think the game definately has some strong points as well, such as an original take on some mechanics, such as the parts where you can grow tiny or large and get to drive all kinds of weird vehicles to solve (not well executed) platform types of puzzles.
I'd give the game a 7, or a 6 if you play it on a console. But it really isn't the worst gaming fail ever.
I've decided you're trolling. You've gotta be. There's absolutely no way I just read that series of words, connected in that precise way, in order to describe what Duke fking Nukem fking FOREVER is supposed to be in order to live up to its "expectations."o0BigDave0o said:
Moreover I can't believe people are bitching at all about this game in terms of the "hype it needs to live up to." That hype, after the first maybe 5 years, became nothing more than a joke and any reviewer that has asked the "Did it live up to the hype?" question is incorrigibly stupid. And even if there HAD been "serious" hype, nothing at all is good enough to justify 15 years of waiting. If I'd waited 15 years for the next Half-Life, Diablo, Zelda, FFVII remake, whatever, it wouldn't have been worth the hype in the least.
Do I sound annoyed? That's because I can't buy that in an intelligent community like this I've seen so many people making topics about how they missed the point about Duke Nukem so thoroughly. I haven't played the game, I'm not defending anything regarding the gameplay or the humor, but I am just aghast at how many people are complaining about tasteless humor and straightforward gameplay of all things. I mean, out of the ROBUST, INNOVATIVE, ARTISTICALLY AND MECHANICALLY CHALLENGING forum of gaming that is Duke Nukem?!
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Really?
Duke Nukem Forever, a game that ended up using all of those irritating game mechanics and that boring linear levels it sold itself o getting away from. The real slap in the face is that we had to wait 14 freaking years for it.
Whether or not it's the biggest failure the game's industry has seen so far, I'm not sure, but Duke Nukem Forever has by no stretch of the word succeeded.
Whether or not it's the biggest failure the game's industry has seen so far, I'm not sure, but Duke Nukem Forever has by no stretch of the word succeeded.
1. ET for the AtariGentleman_Reptile said:
2. Daikatana
3. Duke Nukem Forever
There, that's the final list. That is how it will be remembered, guaranteed.
I'd actually argue that someone like you is exactly the target audience. People who played and loved the originals, in particular Duke 3D, not the teens of today.voorhees123 said:This game would of been good back in the day. But now? Its rubbish. Would have been better a download game on Live Arcade. I just dont find the game fun to play or the character fun at all. Maybe because i played the others and know exactly what he is going to say or act. Its like a cliche or a sterotype. But then the game is there to attract teenagers who would find the dumb stuff funny, not someone my age.
Well I'm yet to play the game but people wanted a STORY? and MATURE humour FROM DUKE NUKEM?!
Guys anyone who was after a story has missed the point, Duke was never really about making some twisting and engaging storyline it was simple, a game about running around blasting aliens who have stolen Earths women, it was never meant to get deeper than that, in fact that tiny aspect of the story was just the excuse for the Devs to have this guy running around killing said aliens.
If anything this news of the humour being immature and crude and the story doing nothing at all and the gameplay being just a "Simple Shooter" make me think I'm going to buy it and LIKE it. Think back to Duke Nukem 3D and the one liners Duke came out with "Blow it out your ass" etc. These were never deep mature jokes intended for a cultured audience they were just Overblown Macho comments the likes of which you expect from a cheesy 80's action movie.
"IMO the biggest weakpoints of the game are it's very linear level design, which is very unlike DN3D, and the resulting lack of any kind of exploration. Also, the combat is mediocre, while the bossfights could be great fun at times. But this may be a bit of a spoiler, the lack of a jetpack in the campaign was kind of a letdown for me. I think the game definately has some strong points as well, such as an original take on some mechanics, such as the parts where you can grow tiny or large and get to drive all kinds of weird vehicles to solve (not well executed) platform types of puzzles."
Now this is a good criticism of the game, Duke was never aimed at being a story driven shooter but gameplay driven and to lose out on 3D's exploaraiton elements is a loss to the game and to hear that the combat can get stale is also bad.
So yeah criticizing Duke for its Story is much like criticizing an orange for not being blue.
Guys anyone who was after a story has missed the point, Duke was never really about making some twisting and engaging storyline it was simple, a game about running around blasting aliens who have stolen Earths women, it was never meant to get deeper than that, in fact that tiny aspect of the story was just the excuse for the Devs to have this guy running around killing said aliens.
If anything this news of the humour being immature and crude and the story doing nothing at all and the gameplay being just a "Simple Shooter" make me think I'm going to buy it and LIKE it. Think back to Duke Nukem 3D and the one liners Duke came out with "Blow it out your ass" etc. These were never deep mature jokes intended for a cultured audience they were just Overblown Macho comments the likes of which you expect from a cheesy 80's action movie.
"IMO the biggest weakpoints of the game are it's very linear level design, which is very unlike DN3D, and the resulting lack of any kind of exploration. Also, the combat is mediocre, while the bossfights could be great fun at times. But this may be a bit of a spoiler, the lack of a jetpack in the campaign was kind of a letdown for me. I think the game definately has some strong points as well, such as an original take on some mechanics, such as the parts where you can grow tiny or large and get to drive all kinds of weird vehicles to solve (not well executed) platform types of puzzles."
Now this is a good criticism of the game, Duke was never aimed at being a story driven shooter but gameplay driven and to lose out on 3D's exploaraiton elements is a loss to the game and to hear that the combat can get stale is also bad.
So yeah criticizing Duke for its Story is much like criticizing an orange for not being blue.
I don't really get the hate. What where people expecting? A revolution in gaming? You're just kidding yourselves if you were. I'm playing through it now and it is exactly what I expected and wanted it to be.
Puerile
Infantile
Ultra cheesy
Stupid
Over the top
Fun
It's not a masterpiece, but it never tried to be. Judged solely on it's own merits and intents I think it's a great experience so far. Maybe I'll feel differently by the time I get to the end.
Puerile
Infantile
Ultra cheesy
Stupid
Over the top
Fun
It's not a masterpiece, but it never tried to be. Judged solely on it's own merits and intents I think it's a great experience so far. Maybe I'll feel differently by the time I get to the end.
The game isnt a fail, the demo was terrible but from the 5-6 hours that I have been playing it I was never bored, it is funy and the gameplay is also fun (the demo wasnt fun because it just dropped you in the midle of nowhere expecting you to know what you were doing). The game has variety and it is a 70-80 score type of game. The graphics are crappy but it doesnt really matter all that much.
The game surely didnt need the 14 years in development but overrall its an ok game to get at 30$-40$ price range.
Its just sad that everyone is just jumping on the hate bandwaggon only from hearing things about the game.
The game surely didnt need the 14 years in development but overrall its an ok game to get at 30$-40$ price range.
Its just sad that everyone is just jumping on the hate bandwaggon only from hearing things about the game.
Its a mediocre game which havent changed at all since Duke Nukem 3d, except we now have non-agressive, non-female, non-dead npc's in the plot...
I'm happy its out, because there is nothing worser than a game being in a limbo.. But the game is mediocre, and will soon be forgotten. But it is still better than Dead Space. And Doom 3. And Quake 4.
I'm happy its out, because there is nothing worser than a game being in a limbo.. But the game is mediocre, and will soon be forgotten. But it is still better than Dead Space. And Doom 3. And Quake 4.
Wait what? You do know that most of the stuff was made by 3D Realms, right? Gearbox only connected the elements to make the game presentable.Madara said:
And do you have the game? They do have plenty of one liners and epic set pieces.
I'm going to jump straight into the "You guys are stupid, the game isn't nearly as bad as your incessant whining is making it out to be." wagon.
Seriously, from all the whining and complaining you'd think that someone in Gearbox had taken a dump in every case, instead of leaving the game.
If the people that were whining so much actually played on, they would have found out something about the game that sets it above the riff-raff that some other developers are shovelling out the door to make a quick buck:
The game is immersive as hell.
I mean it. From the fact that you can actually see Duke's legs, to the fact that it only breaks from 1st Person when you're in a vehicle or at a loading screen, to the extra animations they added where Duke, for one reason or another, gets knocked on his muscular behind and has to get back up again, all seamlessly integrating with the standard gameplay.
Play this game, and you won't just be in control of Duke, you will be Duke.
Seriously, from all the whining and complaining you'd think that someone in Gearbox had taken a dump in every case, instead of leaving the game.
If the people that were whining so much actually played on, they would have found out something about the game that sets it above the riff-raff that some other developers are shovelling out the door to make a quick buck:
The game is immersive as hell.
I mean it. From the fact that you can actually see Duke's legs, to the fact that it only breaks from 1st Person when you're in a vehicle or at a loading screen, to the extra animations they added where Duke, for one reason or another, gets knocked on his muscular behind and has to get back up again, all seamlessly integrating with the standard gameplay.
Play this game, and you won't just be in control of Duke, you will be Duke.
