Poll: Fallout: London must be made.

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Eclectic Dreck

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I think it would be an interesting setting. The problem is, what precisely does it have to do with Fallout? If we take away all the things we know about the fallout Universe (Brotherhood of Steel, Super Mutants, Enclave and the rest) what makes it a fallout game? There are plenty of games in set in a wasteland afterall.

The trouble is, England is simply a bystander in the war. It offers a wonderful chance to create a whole new fiction. Was England somehow spared nuclear annihilation (like in V for Vendetta)? How badly was the country damaged? Were there any vaults?

Many of the standard tropes could remain. For example, you could take a common animal in England (I don't live there so I'm just going to say a Weasel) and make it many times larger. Then warp it just a hair so it looks a bit off. Then call it a Rad-Weasel.

Being a setting that has thus far been unexplored, there are plenty of ways to develop the world and countless stories to tell. The most obvious is - if England was largely spared nuclear annihilation in the war, perhaps the ensuing chaos reduced the country back into a series of warring fiefdoms. You could literally retell any of the classic Anglo-Saxon myths and apply high technology if you wanted to. Not that I suggest simply hijacking the past without adding something to it - Too Human tried this and it was largley unsuccessful.
 

Therumancer

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Generally speaking I tend to oppose too much multi-nationalism when it comes to post apocolyptic concepts. There are a lot of reasons for this. Chief among them is that the world is supposed to be pretty much decimated. It's supposed to be incredible that human life survived in any noteworthy form in the most powerful and well protected nation the world has ever seen. Once you start going global with it you simply wind up with too much civilization surviving to really maintain the atmosphere, and then you've got situations where of course you have differant nations wanting to show that they did better than other ones, combined with the general progression of a series where each new chapter includes new and better stuff than the previous ones, and if you say start adding those things to places that wouldn't logically have them it also causes some problems with world building.


I might not be conveying this right, but to an extent look at say RIFTS by Palladium. The simple realities of ongoing publication and power creep created a situation where you had all of this massive power and uber-mecha and stuff sitting in places like South America or Australia despite what had happened. What's more it got to the point where you could barely look at a map anymore without some massive powerhouse being set up close to pretty much everything and it kind of made the world seem a lot less apocolyptic as as nasty as it was civilization, manufacturing, and uber technology was everywhere. They even wound up having to redo/retcon/update a couple of the groups that were supposed to have been the major powerhouses (like the Coalition) because power creep had made them lulzworthy despite what they were supposed to be. While it would seem on the surface to be a good thing, I found that having people from a given region help write a given region leads to national pride turning things into a much bigger deal than they should be.

To put things into perspective, I'd say that Europe in Fallout would logically be totally decimated. Probably one of the reasons why someone like Mr. Tenpenny considers living in a refurbished skyscrayper such a good thing, and came to America to begin with given the oppertunity. I would say there probably isn't a london, or really anything gamable there. Just boring desperation. Sort of like "The Road" compared to "Mad Max" if even that.

The reason why I say this is that if there was a war with China, Europe is right in between it and the US. For all pretensions to the contrary Europe also has very little in the way of military power at this level. European powers having been sort of proud of their anti-nuke policies and while capable of destroying a few cities they can't blanket the world like other powers. In terms of sheer numbers the europeans also can't put enough boots on the ground to deal with the incoming Chinese. What's more in order to engage the US, they would have to take over Europe and pretty much flatten it just to take out the missle defenses (like the base we have in Poland that was under heavy discussion with the Russians). If Europe was a US Ally it probably got nuked and wiped out by the Chinese, and then nuked again by the US once it fell to try and stop them. If Europe was a Chinese ally, again it probably just got nuked out of existance by the US to again stop the Chinese from using it as a beach-head.

One of the biggest advantages of the US militarily is simply put that we're seperated from everything else by oceans. You have to cover a LOT of the globe just to get to us, and if your coming from the East/Far East you pretty much have to get some strong beachheads in Europe to even have a chance of moving people here in any numbers, or reliably target us with missles or whatever for that matter.

Whether it was Russia (old school), or China (new school), simple placement means nobody is going to remain untouched and neutral even if they wanted to be. Since we're dealing with a situation where the globe is defined as "totally fragged apocolyptic nightmare" pretty much anything that hit the US or China is going to be 10x worse for anyone with the misfortune to have been stuck between the two big guys when they decided to go at it.

The need for oil to fuel war machines and such means that even the old "Farnham's Freehold" arguement made by Heinlan of Africa remaining untouched is unlikely today because simply put everyone would be after the oil in the region, and frankly the region would be doomed to be uber-nuked because no matter who was in the stronger position there, the loser would always wind up making a priority of decimating the region to deny the resources to the enemy.

It's one thing for DC to survive at the level of Fallout 3 (which is admittedly pushing it) given our status as a superpower, AND the general distance from the enemy. While a power England is not a super power, and on top of it it's right in the middle of everything and by the time things went far enough to leave the US and presumably China both in ruins it would have been slammed by both sides one way or another once things went this far. Neither superpower would let the other control Europe (the middle ground) and would totally irradiate it just to prevent it's use as a staging area if they saw a chance of the other side getting a beachhead/maintaining an alliance there.

The bottom line is that I would think that it would be pushing it to put enough stuff in whatever is left of London to give it story potential. Heck, I'd be surprised if London is anything more than a giant crater in the Fallout universe.

Given the science fiction aspects and the fact that China was beint portrayed as a scientific equal to the US on it's own merits from what I've seen so far, I suppose it's possible that even if it was blanketed you could have some civilization surviving in say Beijing or whatever. It wouldn't be any better than what survived in the US I'd imagine,
but it might be similar.
 

Caligulove

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I just want more Fallout.

Though, I was thinking that if they went to Europe it would go to Russia before UK. Just because when I think of Nuclear wars and devastation and all... I think of the US and Russia. (but then thats probably just reading so many dumb cold-war era Tom Clancy stuff when I was growing up.

Still. wherever they do it! I just want more! I loved fallout from the beginning and Fallout 3 was only amazing news for that. and now EVERYONE loves it so... even better. Means we'll get more content for an amazing game when more demand it (through their wallets)
 

bigolbear

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personaly i always thought that the rest of the world went on fine - bussiness as usual and all the countries just decided to nuke america for being a bunch of overtly religious warmongers.

of course it may just be wishfull thinking. ;-)

seriously tho if england got hit by a realistic modern nuke there wouldnt be much left of it. Its actualy a very small place and our huge over population would be a major problem in any kind of disaster. What would be a distinct difference tho is that most of our architecture is built from bricks wheras much in america is built from wood. the landscape would have a decidely less 'scavenged' appearance in a fantasy fallout style universe.

Id say the other major difference is a comparative lack of firearms, as british civilians are not allowed to own guns with the exception of farmers owning guns for livestock control.
 

nicholaxxx

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1: the point of fallout is to have the catastrophe of nuclear anihillation come home to america, the worlds largest super-power being destroyed.

2: the brotherhood, enclave and super mutants make fallout, FALLOUT! without them, it wouldn't be the same

3: you pretty much named hellgate london there, go. play it. be disappointed. see how wrong you were.
 

Pillypill

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In the fallout universe all of Europe is in the Commonwealth (right?) which is in possession of technologies far greater than those in (fallouts) China and America. Which would open up all sorts of fun gameplay machanics, new weapon optioins, and armour. ( SAS power armour?)

House of lords, turn into "house o' lords" (not a whole lot of difference i know but..) where raider, slaver, bandit, pirate... outlaw warlords control their armies from the comfort of a huge gothic fortress.

Pirates patrolling the Thames; launching ships from their ports to do battle with rival pirates and hunt down goody two shoes waistland saviors.

Silent snipers nesting in westminster clocktower (big ben), picking off passers by, with large powerful rifles.

I hope it does happen, but i hope it's not just Fallout 3 in a new skin.
 

Cherry Cola

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TheNamlessGuy said:
Meh, it would be alright...

Now, Fallout: Sweden would be awesome!
FUCKING ZOMBIE MOOSE!
AND... FLYING MEAT BALLS
And you could put in a political satire where tons of zombies immigrating from the capital wasteland are yelled at by insecure and slightly racist people from behind 5-feet bulletproof glass.

And of course ABBA.
 

Azmael Silverlance

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orc33 said:
Fallout: world
To be honest id love to just get a game Fallout: World and if if its too much then id settle for Fallout 2 graphics and design of the game. Just make it HUGE :p
Actually...make a MMORPG from Fallout 2 n its a win!

But London wouldnt be bad in my opinion. Just give us a lil bit variety. It wasnt only US that god pwned after all. Wont hurt for us poor chaps that live in a normal world to see what happened to the other countries.
 

asdasdasdasda

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I'd love to see a modern day one set in Dubai. They have islands shaped like the world, man, the world!
 

The AI

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That would be a good idea...

if it was in the classic style of Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 3 was great (see: my avatar), but I'd love a classic return to form... set in a post-apocalyptic future that had never quite left 1960s London. xD
 

GeekFury

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Post apocalyptic game in Glasgow or Edinburgh in Scotland would rock, mostly in Edinburgh though, could have the castle as a fortified mini-town.
 

0z0wen

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In reply to murphy7801 the difference would be.
One royal family would be the one wehave now and the inbreed one would look like America's politicions.
 

spikeyjoey

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pete240 said:
it would be exactly the same as fallout in america except different location so not much changed.
Of course not. Civies dont have guns in England

In a previous thread on game crossovers, I said my ideal game would be fallout crossed with condemned, which is more or less what it would be
 

Madshaw

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Distorted Stu said:
As soon as i seen the title of this thread i though of 28 days later. But really, does it alway have to be London? Yes, GTA did a good job, the Getaway.. not so much. But there are other cities and towns in the UK that would be worthy of a game. Newcastle, Middlesbourgh, newport, manchester, blackpool.. even Devon! Each of thse places are diffrent and each can be worthy of a Zombie/post-apocolypse scenario due to their structures (Imagine zombie/mutant/thug killing in Blackpool Pleasure beach ...
phwoar! <3)
the idea of a fallout britain makes more sense over all to me