Poll: Farewell Pokemon: A poll to stop the abuse

[Hedberger]

I stopped paying attention to it after the last proper Pokemon IE Gold/Silver/Crystal

 

[Gerrawn]

I'd be happy if they just kept remaking Red/Blue and Silver/Gold to be honest. Just adding new abilities, some locations and better story.

 

[TimeLord]

I tried playing Silver and Gold and didn't like them.

Leaf Green and Fire Red forever! Just keep remaking those games!

 

[Buizel91]

*Sigh*

Pokemon will never end as long as their are still people watching/playing it...if your a true fan to Pokemon, you will respect that this a show for kids, and not us teens/adults, therefore it should not change just Because you and few other don't like it.

No matter what the hell you try to do, it will take alot for Pokemon to change, think of Pokemon in the real world, in our world Animals are different all over the globe, same with Pokemon, why should they keep it relativity the same when it isn't in the real world? Hell i'd love to see what Pokemon live in Africa, the amount of stuff they could do.

stop Trolling, and respect it for what it is.

By the way, anyone else notice that these hate threads usually have under 100 posts?

or is it just me?

This. Well spoken my pokemon comrade, well spoken.

It will continue forever but it is targeted at the new generation of kids picking it up for the first time, not grizzled old veterans like me.

I would like to see a South America-ish region next personally. We've seen Japan (Johto), what Nintendo thinks of America (Kanto) and... eh the other two (I'm not totally sure what they were).

Spoiler: My one gripe about Gen 4 and possibly Gen 5

My gripe is the goofy monster designs coming out now but that is the only thing I really care about. They can do whatever they want with the story, the gyms, the champion and the region. Just make the monster design appealing to your older fans. Please?

In anycase, I know that I am not the target consumer anymore. I can accept that.

[sub][sub]Troll thread is troll thread. You called it right arc.[/sub][/sub]

Isshu is apparently somewhere in America, not sure if it's south or north though

 

[Buizel91]

*Sigh*

Pokemon will never end as long as their are still people watching/playing it...if your a true fan to Pokemon, you will respect that this a show for kids, and not us teens/adults, therefore it should not change just Because you and few other don't like it.

No matter what the hell you try to do, it will take alot for Pokemon to change, think of Pokemon in the real world, in our world Animals are different all over the globe, same with Pokemon, why should they keep it relativity the same when it isn't in the real world? Hell i'd love to see what Pokemon live in Africa, the amount of stuff they could do.

stop Trolling, and respect it for what it is.

By the way, anyone else notice that these hate threads usually have under 100 posts?

or is it just me?

Hear hear!

Speaking of Pokemon relation to RL animals, I have a question for you: What do the humans in the world eat if the world is inhabited by Pokemon? (I'm not trolling btw this question has been bugging me for some time and I've been trying to find someone knowledgeable in all things Pokemon to see if they had a genuine answer.)

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Apparently if they eat a Magikarp, they chuck the bones back into the water and it becomes a new Magikarp haha

something i read up,

and you always see them eat in Pokemon centres and stuff, eating noodles and soup that Brock makes =)

They get their Milk from Miltank (Obviously) and I'm pretty sure they would still eat Eggs

But i understand your point, i think that some Pokemon may be bread for use on farms and stuff, but i aint to sure, i know some real life Animals still exists and not all are Pokemon, one of Likitungs references in the games acctualy mentions the Chameleon...

 

[Buizel91]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

Now you see i would agree you...

But when Diamond and Pearl came out everyone complained their weren't enough new Pokemon...

sometimes Nintendo just can't win =\

i see your point though.

 

[Crazy_Bird]

Speaking of Pokemon relation to RL animals, I have a question for you: What do the humans in the world eat if the world is inhabited by Pokemon? (I'm not trolling btw this question has been bugging me for some time and I've been trying to find someone knowledgeable in all things Pokemon to see if they had a genuine answer.)

Have a look at the Library in Diamond/Pearl. There are historic accounts which answer your question. And it is rather unsettling.

 

[Skoosh]

The series isn't for you anymore. This isn't your pokemon. It's the same game over and over so that a new group of kids and buy it and enjoy it because, well, little kids rarely buy old games. So let them have their own batch of pokemon. Even when they come up with new ones, it's still the same shit. You start out with fire water or grass and caves are always filled with bat-like creatures and rock-creatures that annoy you. Let the next group of elementary school kids know and love this classic formula, and you can just wait for remakes of Red/Blue or Silver/Gold to enjoy your nostalgia.

The allusion to Sonic isn't really the same since younger kids new to pokemon still love the new games and plenty of old fans still keep up with the series. Sonic barely scrapes by with poor reviews and sales.

 

[ilspooner]

I think pokemon is still good. Sure, some new ones look really stupid but...
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And besides, its not like every orginal pokemon was really all that great. Like Jynx and Mr.Mime. Also, tons of people still like it. I am looking forward to the release of Black and White.

 

[sms_117b]

Personally I cannot wait for Black and White, but perhaps the games need a new format rather than just re-hashing the same old thing, perhaps a jump to the Wii and a full 3d rendering of the Pokemon world, pick your starting location and resulting Pokemon, then let the good times roll as you go around the different areas getting badges, beating leagues and a number of evil organisations.

 

[SinisterGehe]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

But that would demand real work, instead of giving buckets of weed for few "artists"...

 

[Crispee]

I don't want Pokemon to end, when I play it I get that 'fun' emotion or whatever it's called, and I'm told that that's a good thing. So Pokemon continuing will cause more of it.

 

[Chaos-Spider]

No, don't end it. But actually make a new game.

Hear me out:

Rather than adding 8 bajillion pokemon, add about 50. Spend the rest of your time and money on an actually interesting story, improved overworld mechanics, etc.

Why not just make a new game that doesn't add any new pokemon at all but lest us access all of the existing regions and catch all of the already existing pokemon in one game without having to depend on console support, or having a wi-fi connection, or living in Japan, or hacking into the game. Even if it had graphics no better than the first generation and exactly the same story, that would be a good game.

 

[Amyler]

I avoided this topic for a few days because I didn't want to get involved. I suppose that was foolish. Because now, instead of that, you get a post that took up 5 pages of a word document, and the better part of half an hour to make. I should channel that energy into something more efficent than internet debates, like watching grass grow, but oh well. It was certainly a cathartic sort of fun to make. Good luck finding where you're quoted, everyone.

for years, I have prayed to the Nintendo overlords, God, and even the FSM, for a Pokemon RPG.
YES! and while play as a trainer might be ok, I want to play as a pokemon! Pick your pokemon, lvl up by fighting other pokemon and players, and eliminate the trainers from the equation. Just pokemon in a pokemon environment. Kinda like dungeon quest if dungeon quest wasn't piss...

Perhaps you should listen to the answer then? Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, which is precisely what you are describing, has been around since the GBA.

<---- my user

It has to die. It sucks, and has sucked since the 3rd generation.

Uh-hu. thanks very much for the reasonable, well thought out arguements explaining the inherent flaws within the later pokemon games and why the series should be ended. Oh wait. You didn't have any of that. Sorry, must have misread your post. Now all I can see is unfounded complaining with no backing or legitimacy behind it. Terrible troll is terrible? Give me your reasons for it's faults. I am positive they have counterpoints.

I'd rather they stopped whoring out a staple of my childhood but if people are still enjoying it they can keep going for as long as they want.

Perhaps you are looking at it in the wrong light, in this case. You consider it whoring out your childhood, yet someone in your life would have paid for you to enjoy it, correct? Now other children get to enjoy something of similar/better quality because they continue the series and learn from previous titles. So maybe, opposed to whoring out your childhood, they're simply giving more kids one?

Agreed. It has gone on for too long now, it really is abuse. They don't do anything really special with the new games, just pump the same shit out over and over and it's really sad. Also, everyone knows the new Pokemon suck compared to the originals, almost everything about these new games are pathetic.

Are you seriously arguing that Lucario is a worse designed pokemon than Jynx? And please, if you're going to make baseless accusations, do me a favour and forget that grammar and spelling exist, because it makes it easier for me to mock you, opposed to actually refuting your claims.

So let's look at a basic overview of the Pokemon Games, shall we?

FIRST GENERATION; RED, BLUE, YELLOW.
Pokemon is introduced, with 151 critters included. The battle system, trading, collecting pokemon; all there, all in their infancy. The battle mechanics have a myraid of flaws, like critical hits that can do less damage then regular attacks (boosted attack is not included when a critical lands, so a critical hit from something with +3 attack does a mere +2, less damage.), psychic types are overpowered gods of the game (special attack and special defense were combined as one type, and the only pokemon psychics were weak against were terrible themselves), you had a very limited amount of space for items and the games could glitch up in any number of ways.

SECOND GENERATION; GOLD, SILVER, CRYSTAL
We get more new beasts to nerd out over. A special defense stat is introduced, as well as two new types which radically overhaul the battle system, along with hold items. Breeding is introduced, making trading and collecting pokemon easier for groups of friends to manage together. A much larger world is put into the games, allowing longer play time with more side quests and places to explore.

THIRD GENERATION; RUBY, SAPPHIRE, EMERALD
New pokemon with new and interesting type combinations. Dive and the Mach/Acro Bikes make huge changes to how players can explore the world. Natures radically alter how pokemon are raised. Although smaller than the Kanto games, there is large world with plenty to explore. Pokemon designs remain both interesting (Tropius) and occassionally disastrous (Luvdisc). More hold items, more moves and abilities change the battle system and see the rise of heavily compeditive gameplay.

FOURTH GENERATION; DIAMOND, PEARL, PLATINUM
More pokemon! Sweet! Also, the biggest and most influencial change to the basic mechanics of battle remake the compeditive scene, The Physical Special Split. (Previously, attacks used Physical or Special strength based of the type. After the split, the move itself determined whether a move was physical or special. It changed the way the game worked; suddenly Gyarados was a true force with Waterfall, a physical water move, to nominate but one example.) Players can trade wirelessly online and in person, use the underground to kill time and collect rare items, go hunting for the 14 different legendaries, or play in the non combat focused contests. Bucketloads of content in all directions.

FIFTH GENERATION; BLACK, WHITE
Who the hell can guess?


I contest you to provide evidence of deteriorating quality in the games, a lack of originality and developer interest. Pokemon has grown exponentially with each and every installment. Learn about what you condemn before you get nailed to the wall with it mate.

And the new pokemon, not necessarily the games, just look ridiculous and just suck.

Case in point Voltorb -> Electrode, Grimer -> Muk, Doduo -> Dodrio, ... wait ...

They need to do something different and change up the game, Its like they really don't care that it is totally the same game if It make money. At least with Zelda and Mario they do change it (sometimes).

Why change the game when the very model for the series is to attract a new demographic of young children each release? It's a completely new and exciting thing for them. And if some of the kids from older demographics hang around, well that's just super.

Pokemon isn't nearly as good as it used to be and it might just need to be Old Yeller'd. Although, a few of the new Pokemon do appeal to me. Plus, as long as Nintendo can make a good profit off it, it'll continue... Possibly forever.

Lazy quote is a lazy quote. Look up. Read that essay. Can't be bothered making a second.

I don't know, I think they're definitely running out of pokemon ideas. In the last generation some of them were just animated objects/the majority were, or just repainted other pokemon.

*Yawn*. Muk, Dodrio, yadda yadda yadda. Every generation has had lazy ideas. Every generation has had awesome ideas. Hush now, or I'll add another paragraph listing some for each generation.

Firstly, hire a decent designer to actually make some cool looking pokemon again. We haven't had any decent pokemon since arguably Johto (some do not even like these ones).

*Sigh* I suppose this is nessecary. Cool looking pokemon? I'll ignore 5th generation so far, because I'm keeping my knowledge of it to a minumum until I play them myself. Okay, so you like 1st and 2nd generation? Well, introducing you to, the all start line up of 3rd! *Also, no idea how to put the link into the text, so just for fun, you also get a big ugly link at the end of each.

Blaziken! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/257.shtml

Shedinja! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/292.shtml

Sableye! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/302.shtml

Aggron! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/306.shtml

Tropius! (I mean look at it, it is the almighty Tropius!) http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/357.shtml


That's 5, taken by my own preference from within the 3rd gen. I could easily have gotten up to 30 based on fully non-legendaries alone, discounting cool pokemon like Vibrava and Jirachi.

Now for Sinnoh, the 4th gen! Again, I will be (slightly) kind and only display 5 fully evolved regular 'mons.

Luxray! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/405.shtml

Floatzel! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/419.shtml

Drifblim! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/426.shtml

Lucario! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/448.shtml

Abomansnow! http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/460.shtml


Wow, you're right. They all look terrible. No, wait. They look fine. Yes, it is subjective, but is a bronciosarus with banana's growing from its neck and frond wings any less awesome than a mouse with electricity in its cheeks? Didn't think so.

I stopped paying attention to it after the last proper Pokemon IE Gold/Silver/Crystal

I didn't quote you to really answer anything you said, beyond that giving no evidence on an unsubstansiated and frankly stupid claim makes you look foolish too. No, I quoted you as a punishment for that claim. Have fun being quoted in this mammoth of a post!

 

[MalevolentJim]

The series does not need to end.It's still proving to be more engrossing than any other JRPG going, why the hell would Nintendo want to end it?

The series' formula is unbeatable, because it's becomes more and more challenging when they add more pokémon, and the series is still going to get newer and newer fans (IE: todays and tomorrow's kids) to buy the games.

Making the games Darker and Grittier is one interesting direction to put it, but why not simply make it an MMORPG?For PC and Consoles.Kinda like the N64's Pokémon Colosseum, but not confined to an just an arena, and with a slightly compelling story other than the current formula :

Move to new town.
Gain a pokemon under unusual circumstances.
Fight gym leaders.
Catch shit.
Fight Generic Team "insert gay name here".
Fight Angsty rival a million times.
Come to the stunning conclusion that Team "Insert gay name here" are actually really really evil and will use the Pokemon ON THE BOX as a weapon to do evil deeds of evil (controlling the world usually,y'know something generic and unimaginative).
Fight moar Gym Leaders.
Catch/Kill Pokémon on box.
Kill/Rape Elite Four.
Oh wait,it's not over?!
Catch/Kill 'em all.
Realize it's not going anywhere,fight strongest thing you can find.
Kill strongest thing dead.
....
Start again?

 

[Rainforce]

I really liked the series, but I also really agree that it's just the time to end the it. I played every pokemon game so far (except snap and japan-only releaeses), but I wont buy B/W, because its just to much, and the pokemon look all the same to me, and...[etc] T.T

and then again, they only sell so well because of their name. would B/W the first edition in pokemon, nobody would really buy it, at least not in the sheer insane amounts they do now.

 

[Nazulu]

Agreed. It has gone on for too long now, it really is abuse. They don't do anything really special with the new games, just pump the same shit out over and over and it's really sad. Also, everyone knows the new Pokemon suck compared to the originals, almost everything about these new games are pathetic.

Are you seriously arguing that Lucario is a worse designed pokemon than Jynx? And please, if you're going to make baseless accusations, do me a favour and forget that grammar and spelling exist, because it makes it easier for me to mock you, opposed to actually refuting your claims.

Actually, I loved both the 1st and 2nd generations. And yes, not all of them were good but most of them were and that's what is most important (Lucario is alright). Your arguments don't down hold any weight either, your not the slightest bit convincing if that's actually what you were aiming for. I own just about every single Pokemon game ever made and as a whole, I'm sick of them. They are roughly the same thing over and again and they keep getting away with tiny improvements while the Pokemon gradually get worse.

Oh, and you won't get friendly responses from anyone if your going to be a smart ass and a grammar Nazi in one. I know it must hurt seeing other peoples opinions differ from yours but at least show some respect.

 

[Amyler]

and then again, they only sell so well because of their name. would B/W the first edition in pokemon, nobody would really buy it, at least not in the sheer insane amounts they do now.

Put that formula to absolutely any franchise anywhere and you will find the same results. I don't really see why it matters.

 

[Beryl77]

This is as useless as the mw2/l4d2 boycott. In pokemons case, there are every year new children who buy the games for the first time. As long as Nintendo can make money out of this they'll never stop. They do that with all successful games. Just look at Mario, Zelda, Metroid. This games exist longer than me. They won't stop, so just get over it and if it bothers you so much just ignore it.

 

[Rainforce]

and then again, they only sell so well because of their name. would B/W the first edition in pokemon, nobody would really buy it, at least not in the sheer insane amounts they do now.

Put that formula to absolutely any franchise anywhere and you will find the same results. I don't really see why it matters.

it ONLY supports fanboys and fanboyism in general. I dont like that, personal distaste. so.
and yeah, franchises are a bad idea :/
(although I like a series of games that were planned beforehand as that (not as infinite franchise, I mean).)