Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

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MBergman

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Stickyreiss said:
WestMountain said:
Let the police handle it, and its better that less people die then that more people will feel safe with owning gun for threatening situations.
from http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/may/10/20040510-122711-8996r/

The statistics, contained in the department's fiscal 2005 budget performance report, show that the average response time for the highest-priority calls -- Priority 1 -- was 8 minutes, 25 seconds in fiscal 2003, up from 7 minutes, 19 seconds in fiscal 2002 and 7 minutes, 47 seconds in fiscal 2001.

think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.
Doesn't that argument fall short if you consider that many countries without the right to bear arms probably have response times around the same, and they still kind of seem to do all right considering. And aren't screaming for right to bear arms.
 

Stickyreiss

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tanithwolf said:
I'm always getting into arguments with one of my friends over which is better an MP5 or a P90 and I would greatly appreciate if you could provide me with a good comparison of the two.
they are very different weapons with different applications. the P90 is chambered in 5.7x28mm and was designed as an extremely close range personal defense weapon. The ammunition is a proprietary design and is difficult to find, but has excellent ballistics and extremely flat trajectory. limited areas of use, but excels in those areas.

as you did not specify any particular derivative of the MP5 I will assume you mean the basic model.
the standard MP5 is chambered in 9mm and is designed to be a versatile close to medium range weapon, can be used in many different situations, but most times you can find a better weapon for a particular situation. the 9mm ammunition is plentiful and has decent ballistics. the strength of the MP5 lies in its ability to be used for many different applications (ex. MP5SD covert operations, MP5k close range PDW, sidearm, etc.)
 

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I might can get a better pic for you in few minutes, It's not mine its my dads so I need his permission
 

Starke

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xDarc said:
Stickyreiss said:
xDarc said:
@Steelfists

Take your politics to another forum. K. thx. bye.
firearms policies are welcome in my thread
Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.
"All hail the mighty ingram, may it's reflected glory illuminate us all, as it cooks off the rest of its mag." :p

Stickyreiss said:
AlexTheBucket2112 said:
OT: Ever seen a bolt action shotgun? We just got one, a very interesting piece of work.
not in person, feel like posting pics? on the topic of interesting shotguns check out this revolver action shotgun, Russian origin.






Those are wacky and interesting, neat find.
 

Stickyreiss

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Sgt Doom said:
]Finland's got a pretty low rate of violent crime, yet the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe. It's not as simple as ban guns and crime will go down, there's all sorts of other factors.
Switzerland actually, Finland is third (USA>switzerland>Finland(?))

MBergman said:
Doesn't that argument fall short if you consider that many countries without the right to bear arms probably have response times around the same, and they still kind of seem to do all right considering. And aren't screaming for right to bear arms.
The first country that comes to mind is the UK and they are too docile and politically correct to speak out, and crime is on the rise, here is an excerpt from my paper:

my paper said:
The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000. It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead. (BBC NEWS)
educatedfool said:
The 2nd amendment was put in place at a time when militia's made up the majority of the army and so would need to be armed. This makes sense as at the time there was a possible threat of invasion and the people needed weapons.

Now times have changed, and there is no need to the general population to own arms for the main situation that the 2nd amendment was made for. Why do you think the constitution should stay this way? Other countries change with the times, ironically even the NRA changed their constitution to allow whoever was president to stay another term.
again, from my paper:
my paper said:
According to a 2007 Gallup/NCC poll, most Americans believe that the Second Amendment protects individual firearm ownership. Points in their favor:
-The Constitution is a document, not a piece of software. Regardless of why the Second Amendment justifies its own existence, the fact remains that it still exists as part of the Constitution.
-The Eighteenth Amendment established Prohibition; the Twenty-First Amendment overturned it. The American people have the means, through the legislative process, to overturn the Second Amendment if it is no longer considered worthwhile. If it's obsolete, why hasn't this happened?
-The Constitution aside, bearing arms is a fundamental human right. It is the only means the American people have to reclaim control of their government, should it one day become irredeemably corrupt. (About.com)
 

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Sgt Doom said:
Steelfists said:
...

That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
Finland's got a pretty low rate of violent crime, yet the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe. It's not as simple as ban guns and crime will go down, there's all sorts of other factors.
This is the major difference between Finland and USA when it comes down to gun politics:

In Finland there are 32 (according to other studies 56, but depends on what is considered a firearm, such as signalling flares) privately owned firearms per 100 civilians according to the Finnish Ministry of the Interior. Unlicensed firearms are estimated at around 1.5 per 100.

Firearms can only be obtained with an acquisition license, which can be applied for at the local police for a fee. A separate license is required for each individual firearm. According to law, the firearms must be stored in a locked space or otherwise locked, or with vital parts removed and separated.

They may be carried only when they are transported from their place of storage to the place of use (shooting range, hunting area or such). Even then they must be unloaded and concealed or kept in carrying pouches. Aside from law enforcement agents and military personnel, only security guards with closely defined working conditions, special training and a permit are allowed to carry a loaded gun in public places.

To obtain a firearms license, an individual must declare a valid reason to own a gun. Acceptable reasons include hunting, sports or hobby shooting. It is worth noticing that self- or home defence are not considered valid reasons. The applicant must provide evidence supporting the acquisition license application to prove that he or she is actually using firearms for the stated purpose(s).

Possession of destructive devices such as automatic weapons is generally not permitted. The Finnish Ministry of the Interior has discretion to license such devices to collectors, for motion picture production or exhibition use.

The firearms certificate may be cancelled if a person has committed any crimes (in addition to violent crimes, simple theft and traffic offences are also considered) or has broken certificate rules. Physical and mental problems or reckless behavior are solid grounds for canceling the certificate.

Possessing a firearm without a license is a punishable offence. The EU gun control directive is likely to outlaw firearm ownership for under 18-year olds.
 

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Stickyreiss said:
AlexTheBucket2112 said:
OT: Ever seen a bolt action shotgun? We just got one, a very interesting piece of work.
not in person, feel like posting pics? on the topic of interesting shotguns check out this revolver action shotgun, Russian origin.






I mean't to quote you before. So you'd get a notification
 

thiosk

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Do guns kill people... or do ninja pirate zombie robot vampires from outer space kill people?!

I need this information.

Quickly.
 

UltraParanoia

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How do you like the Colt?

Now I must have a Revolving shotgun. I wonder if they make speedloaders for it?
 

Stickyreiss

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Starke said:
"All hail the mighty ingram, may it's reflected glory illuminate us all, as it cooks off the rest of its mag." :p
check this out
image isn't mine, made the motivator though
 

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xDarc said:
Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.
Users do not have the ability to transfer threads, if you believe there is a problem, you can message a moderator to have the thread moved.
 

tanithwolf

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Stickyreiss said:
tanithwolf said:
I'm always getting into arguments with one of my friends over which is better an MP5 or a P90 and I would greatly appreciate if you could provide me with a good comparison of the two.
-snip-
That is interesting because based on what I had heard the P90 has less of a kick, thus making it better at medium range. And yes I did mean the basic model MP5.
 

Ph33nix

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I have a 12 gauge pump made by a gunsmith somewhere. Not one of those big companies but by some guy in a shop by hand. I love it. Most beautiful gun I have ever seen with its ornate carvings and smooth action. Light as a feather too...which mean it kicks like a mule...but still a beauty. but i digress

O.T. would you happen to know the capacity of the widened m1911s the one with 2 stacks in mag? I have seen them before But i can't find any info about them.
 

Stickyreiss

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UltraParanoia said:
How do you like the Colt?

Now I must have a Revolving shotgun. I wonder if they make speedloaders for it?
very rare, expect to pay upwards of $3000 USD

thiosk said:
Do guns kill people... or do ninja pirate zombie robot vampires from outer space kill people?!

I need this information.

Quickly.
neither
Vladimir Putin Kills people
 

UltraParanoia

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Stickyreiss said:
they are very different weapons with different applications. the P90 is chambered in 5.7x28mm and was designed as an extremely close range personal defense weapon. The ammunition is a proprietary design and is difficult to find, but has excellent ballistics and extremely flat trajectory. limited areas of use, but excels in those areas.
I wonder if you can chamber one in 5.56.
 

GrinningManiac

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Ah, now, Guns are a thing with me in a very specific way

I cannot stand, say, these prats:


(Note: I'm aware that's a Colt Combat, but I mean modern firearms in general)

THIS, on the other hand



To fire:

1) half-cock the hammer
2) pull out cartridge from satchel
3) bite off the tip and ball of the catridge, hold in mouth
4) put a smidge of powder on the pan, rest goes down the barrel
5) musketball and paper in mouth goes down the barrel
6) Draw ramrod, flip it the right way up
7) Slam ramrod down (don't pump it up and down like the 'tards from The Patrior), give it welly!
8) put ramrod back in its hoops. Slap it to make sure it's not accidently in the barrel (trick of the eye) and it rattles. If you fire and yoru ramrod's inside, it'll stick in an enemy and you'll have to ask nicely to get it back
9)Cock hammer
10)PRE-SENT!
11)FI-AH!

It's just a fun little thing to use