Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.Stickyreiss said:firearms policies are welcome in my threadxDarc said:@Steelfists
Take your politics to another forum. K. thx. bye.
Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.Stickyreiss said:firearms policies are welcome in my threadxDarc said:@Steelfists
Take your politics to another forum. K. thx. bye.
Doesn't that argument fall short if you consider that many countries without the right to bear arms probably have response times around the same, and they still kind of seem to do all right considering. And aren't screaming for right to bear arms.Stickyreiss said:from http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/may/10/20040510-122711-8996r/WestMountain said:Let the police handle it, and its better that less people die then that more people will feel safe with owning gun for threatening situations.
The statistics, contained in the department's fiscal 2005 budget performance report, show that the average response time for the highest-priority calls -- Priority 1 -- was 8 minutes, 25 seconds in fiscal 2003, up from 7 minutes, 19 seconds in fiscal 2002 and 7 minutes, 47 seconds in fiscal 2001.
think about what an intruder in your home, or a mugger on the streets can accomplish in 7 minutes. A weapon takes seconds to draw.
they are very different weapons with different applications. the P90 is chambered in 5.7x28mm and was designed as an extremely close range personal defense weapon. The ammunition is a proprietary design and is difficult to find, but has excellent ballistics and extremely flat trajectory. limited areas of use, but excels in those areas.tanithwolf said:I'm always getting into arguments with one of my friends over which is better an MP5 or a P90 and I would greatly appreciate if you could provide me with a good comparison of the two.
"All hail the mighty ingram, may it's reflected glory illuminate us all, as it cooks off the rest of its mag."xDarc said:Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.Stickyreiss said:firearms policies are welcome in my threadxDarc said:@Steelfists
Take your politics to another forum. K. thx. bye.
Those are wacky and interesting, neat find.Stickyreiss said:not in person, feel like posting pics? on the topic of interesting shotguns check out this revolver action shotgun, Russian origin.AlexTheBucket2112 said:OT: Ever seen a bolt action shotgun? We just got one, a very interesting piece of work.
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Switzerland actually, Finland is third (USA>switzerland>Finland(?))Sgt Doom said:]Finland's got a pretty low rate of violent crime, yet the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe. It's not as simple as ban guns and crime will go down, there's all sorts of other factors.
The first country that comes to mind is the UK and they are too docile and politically correct to speak out, and crime is on the rise, here is an excerpt from my paper:MBergman said:Doesn't that argument fall short if you consider that many countries without the right to bear arms probably have response times around the same, and they still kind of seem to do all right considering. And aren't screaming for right to bear arms.
my paper said:The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000. It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead. (BBC NEWS)
again, from my paper:educatedfool said:The 2nd amendment was put in place at a time when militia's made up the majority of the army and so would need to be armed. This makes sense as at the time there was a possible threat of invasion and the people needed weapons.
Now times have changed, and there is no need to the general population to own arms for the main situation that the 2nd amendment was made for. Why do you think the constitution should stay this way? Other countries change with the times, ironically even the NRA changed their constitution to allow whoever was president to stay another term.
my paper said:According to a 2007 Gallup/NCC poll, most Americans believe that the Second Amendment protects individual firearm ownership. Points in their favor:
-The Constitution is a document, not a piece of software. Regardless of why the Second Amendment justifies its own existence, the fact remains that it still exists as part of the Constitution.
-The Eighteenth Amendment established Prohibition; the Twenty-First Amendment overturned it. The American people have the means, through the legislative process, to overturn the Second Amendment if it is no longer considered worthwhile. If it's obsolete, why hasn't this happened?
-The Constitution aside, bearing arms is a fundamental human right. It is the only means the American people have to reclaim control of their government, should it one day become irredeemably corrupt. (About.com)
This is the major difference between Finland and USA when it comes down to gun politics:Sgt Doom said:Finland's got a pretty low rate of violent crime, yet the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe. It's not as simple as ban guns and crime will go down, there's all sorts of other factors.Steelfists said:...
That thing is just too damn huge.
OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.
I mean't to quote you before. So you'd get a notificationStickyreiss said:not in person, feel like posting pics? on the topic of interesting shotguns check out this revolver action shotgun, Russian origin.AlexTheBucket2112 said:OT: Ever seen a bolt action shotgun? We just got one, a very interesting piece of work.
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check this outStarke said:"All hail the mighty ingram, may it's reflected glory illuminate us all, as it cooks off the rest of its mag."![]()
Users do not have the ability to transfer threads, if you believe there is a problem, you can message a moderator to have the thread moved.xDarc said:Gun control debates belong in religion and politics.
That is interesting because based on what I had heard the P90 has less of a kick, thus making it better at medium range. And yes I did mean the basic model MP5.Stickyreiss said:-snip-tanithwolf said:I'm always getting into arguments with one of my friends over which is better an MP5 or a P90 and I would greatly appreciate if you could provide me with a good comparison of the two.
You just read my mind!UltraParanoia said:Now I must have a Revolving shotgun. I wonder if they make speedloaders for it?
very rare, expect to pay upwards of $3000 USDUltraParanoia said:How do you like the Colt?
Now I must have a Revolving shotgun. I wonder if they make speedloaders for it?
neitherthiosk said:Do guns kill people... or do ninja pirate zombie robot vampires from outer space kill people?!
I need this information.
Quickly.
I wonder if you can chamber one in 5.56.Stickyreiss said:they are very different weapons with different applications. the P90 is chambered in 5.7x28mm and was designed as an extremely close range personal defense weapon. The ammunition is a proprietary design and is difficult to find, but has excellent ballistics and extremely flat trajectory. limited areas of use, but excels in those areas.