Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

[Stickyreiss]

I have a 12 gauge pump made by a gunsmith somewhere. Not one of those big companies but by some guy in a shop by hand. I love it. Most beautiful gun I have ever seen with its ornate carvings and smooth action. Light as a feather too...which mean it kicks like a mule...but still a beauty. but i digress

O.T. would you happen to know the capacity of the widened m1911s the one with 2 stacks in mag? I have seen them before But i can't find any info about them.

adds a lot of width for only 2 more rounds, also they are purportedly less reliable, and more likely to jam

 

[magicmonkeybars]

A gun is like any other tool, it's either a benefite or a hazard.
as long as it's a benefit it's not my problem.

 

[Stickyreiss]

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I might can get a better pic for you in few minutes, It's not mine its my dads so I need his permission

nice, that pic is fine, just wondered what it looked like

I wonder if you can chamber one in 5.56.

not without doing it yourself and having it explode =)

and from before, I love my anaconda, ammo's kinda expensive though

 

[Danny Ocean]

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000. It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

1. 'Reported' meaning what?
2. Those figures are almost a decade out of date.
3. How are those figures when viewed in context with overall crime trends?

According to a 2007 Gallup/NCC poll, most Americans believe that the Second Amendment protects individual firearm ownership. Points in their favor:
-The Constitution is a document, not a piece of software. Regardless of why the Second Amendment justifies its own existence, the fact remains that it still exists as part of the Constitution.
-The Eighteenth Amendment established Prohibition; the Twenty-First Amendment overturned it. The American people have the means, through the legislative process, to overturn the Second Amendment if it is no longer considered worthwhile. If it's obsolete, why hasn't this happened?
-The Constitution aside, bearing arms is a fundamental human right. It is the only means the American people have to reclaim control of their government, should it one day become irredeemably corrupt. (About.com)

1. Doesn't 2 contradict this?
2. Because people like guns. Government wants votes. People won't vote for a government who bans guns, even if it is to their benefit. That's democracy for you.
3a. It is not a human right. Simple as that.
3b. Not only is that a highly unlikely situation, but in that situation, would procuring firearms be that much of a problem?

 

[Nukey]

I have heard that some companies still produce muzzle loading rifles, is that true?

 

[Sentient6]

I have a question that's been bugging me for ages - a lot of people (in movies, tv shows, whatever) refer to almost all revolver-type pistols as a "magnum".. But Magnum don't make pistols, right? They only make ammo..? So it would be wrong to call a revolver a "magnum" since it could be made by virtually any company, and just use magnum ammo... Right?

 

[GeneralGrant]

This might be a clueless question-but I'm debating buying a pistol this summer. What exactly do you need to do to legally own a firearm in the US? Also, where would you get basic firearms training? A generality is OK-I'm just curious about where to begin looking.

I suspect most people would be asking their parents about this stuff but my family doesn't own any weapons and is rather opposed to them. Thanks!

 

[Stickyreiss]

I have heard that some companies still produce muzzle loading rifles, is that true?

yup

1. 'Reported' meaning what?
2. Those figures are almost a decade out of date.
3. How are those figures when viewed in context with overall crime trends?



1. Doesn't 2 contradict this?
2. Because people like guns. Government wants votes. People won't vote for a government who bans guns, even if it is to their benefit. That's democracy for you.
3a. It is not a human right. Simple as that.
3b. Not only is that a highly unlikely situation, but in that situation, would procuring firearms be that much of a problem?

1-on record with the government
2-because thats when GB enacted a law banning almost all firearms, and the statistics show what gun related crime was before and after the ban
3-the govt. banned guns, gun related crime didn't go down

1- its saying that if the populace wanted it changed, it would have been done already
2- and the media likes to make us afraid of guns, the anti-gun people are a slight majority
3 a&b- these aren't my ideas, it was a study conducted by Gallup (one of the biggest study/survey organizations)

 

[VicunaBlue]

...

That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.

Finland's got a pretty low rate of violent crime, yet the highest rate of gun ownership in Europe. It's not as simple as ban guns and crime will go down, there's all sorts of other factors.

I love you , sgt doom.



OP: Nice gun. Go zombie hunting?

 

[Fingolfin High-King of the Noldor]

Do guns go pew pew?

 

[GeneralGrant]

Is it true that there is a place in a man's head that, if you shoot it, it will blow up?

No, that isn't true. That all depends on what you shoot the head with.

 

[Stickyreiss]

This might be a clueless question-but I'm debating buying a pistol this summer. What exactly do you need to do to legally own a firearm in the US?

what state, how old are you, and how is your police, medical, and mental health record?

I have a question that's been bugging me for ages - a lot of people (in movies, tv shows, whatever) refer to almost all revolver-type pistols as a "magnum".. But Magnum don't make pistols, right? They only make ammo..? So it would be wrong to call a revolver a "magnum" since it could be made by virtually any company, and just use magnum ammo... Right?

magnum isn't a company, magnum means there is more powder behind the bullet, and they say magnum in the movies because it sounds cool. Magnum ammunition is mainly found in revolvers, because the size makes it impractical to put in a magazine.

 

[Stickyreiss]

OP: Nice gun. Go zombie hunting?

thanks, no, I keep the world safe from the paper target menace >:3

Do guns go pew pew?

some do, so do cats and dogs

 

[Danny Ocean]

1. 'Reported' meaning what?
2. Those figures are almost a decade out of date.
3. How are those figures when viewed in context with overall crime trends?

1-on record with the government
2-because thats when GB enacted a law banning almost all firearms, and the statistics show what gun related crime was before and after the ban
3-the govt. banned guns, gun related crime didn't go down

You're missing the point.

1. 'Reported' by whom? The police? Where did their data come from? Witnesses? Were they lying? There are so many variables.
2. That's irrelevant. The statistics are a decade out of date, and so do not relate to the contemporary context of this argument.
3. Did crime on the whole go up? Is this the beginning of a consistent trend or just a blip?

Please, never trust statistics so blindly. Read this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Statistics].

1- its saying that if the populace wanted it changed, it would have been done already
2- and the media likes to make us afraid of guns, the anti-gun people are a slight majority
3 a&b- these aren't my ideas, it was a study conducted by Gallup (one of the biggest study/survey organizations)

1. And I'm saying that what the populous wants is not always in its best interests.
2. So? That's completely irrelevant to the argument I am making. I can even go so far to say that you contradict your previous statement:

1- its saying that if the populace wanted it changed, it would have been done already

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the anti-gun people are a slight majority

3. If you're not going to back it up then don't cite it. The human rights point stands no matter what, no-where in here [http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/] does it say that ownership of a weapon is a human right. Point 3b, however, is entirely speculative, feel free to argue that to your heart's content.

 

[GeneralGrant]

This might be a clueless question-but I'm debating buying a pistol this summer. What exactly do you need to do to legally own a firearm in the US?

what state, how old are you, and how is your police, medical, and mental health record?

Michigan, 21, I'm clean on all of those.

 

[Starke]

Is it true that there is a place in a man's head that, if you shoot it, it will blow up?

No, that isn't true. That all depends on what you shoot the head with.

Fulminated Mercury filled hollowpoints?

Is this as hillariously rediculous as I think it is?

Spoiler

 

[UltraParanoia]

Master Chief is holding the dachsund backwards. He is going to pewpewpew himself in the face.

 

[Stickyreiss]

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this deep of a debate is too much for a forum, typing all of this out can be much more efficient in an instant rely setting
feel free to IM me
MSN-stickyrice@ameritech.net (old email, don't bother spamming)

 

[Mr.Black]

What is the ugliest gun you've ever seen? Right now my money is on the Striker.