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dkyros

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Darwins_Folly said:


Relying om Fox News for information Will only make you dumber, but they're good for lols.
First off love the map. I guess I would hide the fact that Iraq exists if I were fox news as well. Might have to own up to a certain war that was started by their avatar of excellence.
Anyway, what does Fox news mean to me. Well I think 'news' may be a bit of a stretch. Not that what they deliver isn't news, but it is hardly objective or professional. What I believe is that it is pandering to a conservative christian audience. It is a fact that people are more likely to watch something that they agree with so its not like the channel is really brainwashing them or doing any further damage. I say keep it running for you see everyone has assholes and opinions and some whole asses will make theirs poignantly heard.
 

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GeorgW said:
Sure, if they attack a company personally they will defend themselves, but why are they even allowed to spread these lies? Since it's free publicity for the games, they have never been sued for damages, and this really annoys me.
I think you just answered your own question.

GeorgW said:
The thing that bugs the most is the fact that no one seems to stand up to them.
When the hell will people start pushing back to Fox news??
Uh, Fox News is the national laughing stock of everyone except those who are both stupid, and politically conservative. Yes, I mean even the smart conservatives and the stupid non-conservatives consider them a joke. They're ridiculed by almost every other media outlet out there, news-related or not. What more do you want? It's not like they're actively kicking puppies.


GeorgW said:
They represent everything that's bad with America, and I'm tired of it! [/rant]

This is the place to ***** and discuss about Fox News. Now, I must admit that since I'm not an American I don't know much about the actual Fox News, only about all the bad things that are said about it.
Oh, I get it now, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about. Please don't ever publicly put your two cents in about another countries culture unless you've personally lived it for awhile. It would be like if I (an American) made a forum topic called "Why do the British do everything wrong?" and just start complaining about the metric system and which side of the road they drive on.

Jeez, I'm really sick of this human tendency to completely misunderstand, stereotype, and make broad assumptions about other people's cultures. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since many of my fellow Americans do it too. But seriously, get some perspective people. Even Yahtzee, who is usually brilliant in the context his game reviews, falls into the same idiotic racist diatribe about Americans too. Just assume that everything you know about us is wrong and forget about us. We'll be stepping out of the international limelight in a few years anyway, right?[/rant]

Sorry, Yahtzee's most recent Extra Punctuation essay just set me off about this topic. TL;DR? Most Americans treat Fox News as a joke, and the only people that take them seriously are other morons who would believe misinformation regardless of the existence of Fox News. Don't worry about it.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
The American version of our Tabloids.
The difference here is that, I assume at least, the tabloids are not the undisputed king (in terms of number of people watching) of reporting in your area.
 

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F-I-D-O said:
*steps on box
Being a republican...
*dodges tomatoes
That was uncalled for.
*Steps down from box
Look, I'm fine with some of fox news reporting. Yes, they have an obvious bias. So does EVERYTHING else. That said, I completely ignore their video game news group, which needs to get a new brain cell, their only one is wearing away fast.
Custer's Revenge was (thankfully) a LONG time ago. Let's move on, Fox video game division.
It's like Rush Limbaugh. He's not the devil people think he is, if you take the time to read his work, he is not nearly as crazy as EVERYTHING makes him out to be.
Fox isn't the best, but they are by far not the worst.
For any news outlet, you should double check stories. I trust very little without multiple sources, and I like comparing viewpoints between Fox, NBC, and CNN.
*makes mental note to avoid quote messages in the inbox for a while
Ugh. Just opened myself to a shit storm here, didn't I?
What I don't understand is how they can get away with some of the outright lies they tell, or the 'experts' they drag out to support their opinions.

A little bias I can understand, yes, on the BBC you can tell they lean towards the centre-right most of the time. But if a BBC newscaster said some of the vile, childish things that Glenn Beck or O'Reilly spout on a weekly basis then they'd be out of a job and forced to apologise for misleading the public or for their inappropriate behaviour.

You really shouldn't have to be checking multiple news shows to confirm what the other says isn't bullsh*t, the people who watch the news should be keeping them on their toes. Writing to the networks to complain, pointing out obvious lies or slanders. Is there a central agency for regulating these guys in the US?
 

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I will say this about FoxNews: When they actually report news they do a good job. Their opinions pretending to be news are utter crap.

Unfortunately, the ratio of opinion to news is skewed "slightly"... for every hour of actual news, we get 5-7 hours of opinion. Granted, it's not FoxNews ALONE. Pretty much all 24-hour news networks are guilty of this.

I'm just fine with reporters reporting things going on and letting us think for ourselves on what to do with it.
 
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Well, Fox News provides us with a lot of ammmo. Yeah, they're not perfect, and if you don't like what they say, then don't pay attention.
 

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Raiyan 1.0 said:
Tim_Buoy said:
Raiyan 1.0 said:
Jatal Khyron said:
For every Rush Limbaugh, there is a Michael Moore.
Out of pure non-confrontational curiosity, why do people hate Michael Moore?
same reason they hate fox news just on the other end of the spectrum but he is on my list as the lowest form of human life on this planet
I asked for clarification, not opinion.
The reasons people hate Michael Moore are many but fall into a few categories:
1) People hate soapbox preachers except in rare instances where they wholeheartedly agree with the content of the soapbox speech. Moore gives these any time someone puts him in front of a microphone
2) He is extremely liberal. Extremism in any form tends to be unsettling to moderates and entirely worthy of hate by people on the opposite side.
3) His entire career is based around producing films presented as documentaries that make arguments in accordance with points 1 and 2 but the case is made by regular use of information out of context (the best of the bad) or outright lies.

For the record, I don't care for the man nor do I think he does his cause any real justice (attaching his name to a cause reduces the credibility of the cause in the eyes of a great many people), but I do think he produces an entertaining, if not entirely truthful or informative, movie.
 

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Ah, Fox News. Or 'The George W. Bush Ministry of Republican Propaganda' as I tend to see it. Albeit Bush Jr isn't around any more.
 
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Eclectic Dreck said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
The American version of our Tabloids.
The difference here is that, I assume at least, the tabloids are not the undisputed king (in terms of number of people watching) of reporting in your area.
Ask anyone here how many readers the Sun and the Daily Mail has...
 

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My thought? CNN, MSNBC, et al do
THE
SAME
FUCKING
THING.

All US media happen to be sensationalist, but Fox News just happens to be right-wing so they get the spotlight.
 

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I don't care about bias. Everyone has a bias, whether you prefer chocolate or vanilla, or COD or Halo, but Fox takes its bias, not just to the commentary of the facts, but the facts themselves. They will look for sources, and will keep going until either, they recive some information from an anonymous source that they agree with, or they make something up themselves.
 

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F-I-D-O said:
*steps on box
Being a republican...
*dodges tomatoes
That was uncalled for.
*Steps down from box
Look, I'm fine with some of fox news reporting. Yes, they have an obvious bias. So does EVERYTHING else. That said, I completely ignore their video game news group, which needs to get a new brain cell, their only one is wearing away fast.
Custer's Revenge was (thankfully) a LONG time ago. Let's move on, Fox video game division.
It's like Rush Limbaugh. He's not the devil people think he is, if you take the time to read his work, he is not nearly as crazy as EVERYTHING makes him out to be.
Fox isn't the best, but they are by far not the worst.
For any news outlet, you should double check stories. I trust very little without multiple sources, and I like comparing viewpoints between Fox, NBC, and CNN.
*makes mental note to avoid quote messages in the inbox for a while
Ugh. Just opened myself to a shit storm here, didn't I?
Fox tends to stand out. Honestly they remind me of Mussolini and other fascists when they constantly point the finger and give their viewers what they want to hear, and motivate their audience to do stuff. They're not violent like the fascists were but they tend to be just as annoying and act similarly. Even funnier I seem to recall O'Rielly saying "...we must see the similarities of the Nazi's and Obama....." or something along those lines.

Even funnier Conservatives tend to expect lib's to call the Tea party racist but forget that they also called Obama racist as well from a bunch of bad interpretations of what he said.
 

Nyaliva

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Woodsey said:
I couldn't give a flying shit about religion, I still no the bloody basics - the guy's just anti-semetic and has delusions about Christianity, but then you'd have to if you thought the moral of the Bible (apart from all the murder, incest and whatever else) was to treat everyone else like shit because they're poorer than you.
...wait are you serious?!!! That is seriously the exact opposite of what the Bible says! Although, I guess that's what Bill O'Reilly does: finds a moral stand point and sticks by it, providing a source to back it up which he hasn't actually read more than two pages of.

Seriously, I knew Fox was bad, I've always disliked them because of what little I've seen on the internet (I live in Australia) but I just saw a tralier for that documentary "Outfoxed" and...argh...so...retarded...we HAVE to do something.
 
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AutobotDecepticon said:
...and Michael Eisner owned ABC. What's your point? Every news channel is owned by evil old men.
The problem is when nearly every channel is owned by the same evil old man.

Film

* 20th Century Fox
* Twentieth Century Fox Español
* Twentieth Century Fox International
* Twentieth Century Fox Television
* Fox Searchlight Pictures
* Fox Studios Australia
* Fox Studios Baja
* Fox Studios Los Angeles
* Fox Television Studios

Television
Broadcast/Production assets

* 20th Century Fox Television
* 20th Television
* bTV
* Foxtel
* Fox Broadcasting Company
* Fox International Channels
* Fox International Channels Italy
* Fox Sports Australia
* Fox Telecolombia
* Fox Television Stations
* Fox Television Studios
* Imedi Media Holding
* Latvijas Neatkarīgā Televīzija
* MyNetworkTV
* STAR TV
* TV5 Rīga
* British Sky Broadcasting

Cable Assets

* Big Ten Network (49%)
* Fox Business Network
* Fox College Sports
* Fox Movie Channel
* Fox News Channel
* Fox Soccer Channel
* Fox Sports Enterprises
* Fox Sports en Español
* Foxtel (25%) -
* Fox Sports Net
* FUEL TV
* FX Networks
* Fox Reality Channel
* National Geographic Channel (50%)
o National Geographic Channel UK (50%)
* Speed Channel
* SportSouth
* LAPTV (Latin America ? co-owned with Paramount Pictures/Viacom, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer/MGM Holdings and Universal Studios/NBC Universal)
* Telecine (Brazil ? co-owned with Globosat Canais, Paramount Pictures, MGM, Universal Studios and DreamWorks);

Direct broadcast satellite Assets

* BSkyB [United Kingdom] (39.1%)
* Sky Deutschland (39.96%)
* SKY Italia
* SKY Network Television [New Zealand] (43.65%)
* Foxtel [Australia] (25%)
* Star TV [India & Greater China] (100%)
* Tata Sky [India] (20%)

Internet

* Fox Interactive Media
o AmericanIdol.com
o AskMen.com
o Direct2Drive
o Fox.com
o Foxsports.com
o GameSpy
o Hulu.com
o kSolo
o IGN
o Drownedinsound.com
o MySpace
o MyNetworktv.com
o NewRoo.com
o Strategicdatacorp.com
o Scout.com
o SpringWidgets
o WhatIfSports

* Beliefnet
* News Digital Media
* Slingshot Labs
* Authonomy via HarperCollins

Magazines and Inserts

All titles sourced from News Limited - NewsSource: Magazines on 15 October 2010.

* Alpha
* Australian Football Weekly
* Australian Golf Digest
* Australian Good Taste (with Woolworths)
* Australian Parents (with Woolworths)
* Best of the Gold Coast Magazine
* Big League
* Chopper
* Country Style
* delicious. (with the ABC)
* donna hay
* Gardening Australia (with the ABC)
* GQ Australia
* Inside Out
* Lifestyle Pools + outdoor design
* Live to Ride
* MasterChef Magazine
* Modern Boating
* Modern Fishing
* News America Marketing
* Overlander 4WD
* SmartSource
* Super Food Ideas
* Tattoo
* Truck & Trailer Australia
* Truckin' Life
* Two Wheels
* Two Wheels Scooter
* Vogue Australia
* Vogue Entertaining + Travel

Newspapers and Information Services
United Kingdom

News International

* The Sun
* News of the World
* The Times
* Sunday Times
* thelondonpaper (a free newspaper which closed in September 2009)

Australia

News Limited

Metropolitan newspapers, magazines and news distribution channels
National

* The Australian including weekly insert magazine The Deal and monthly insert magazine (wish)
* The Weekend Australian including insert magazine The Weekend Australian Magazine
* Australian Associated Press (45%)
* www.news.com.au National online news website

New South Wales

* The Daily Telegraph[3]
* The Sunday Telegraph including insert magazine sundaymagazine[4]
* mX (Sydney)[5]

Victorian

* Herald Sun[6]
* Sunday Herald Sun including insert magazine sundaymagazine[7]
* mX (Melbourne)[8]

Queensland

* The Courier-Mail including weekly insert magazine QWeekend[9]
* The Sunday Mail[10]
* Brisbane News[11]

South Australia

* The Advertiser including the monthly insert the Adelaide* magazine[12]
* Sunday Mail[13]

Western Australia

* The Sunday Times[14]

Tasmania

* The Mercury[15]
* The Sunday Tasmanian[16]

Northern Territory

* Northern Territory News[17]
* Sunday Territorian[18]

Community suburban newspapers
Sydney

Cumberland/Courier (NSW) newspapers[19]

* Blacktown Advocate
* Canterbury-Bankstown Express
* Central
* Central Coast Express Advocate
* Fairfield Advance
* Hills Shire Times
* Hornsby and Upper North Shore Advocate
* Inner West Courier
* Liverpool Leader
* Macarthur Chronicle
* Mt Druitt-St Marys Standard
* NINETOFIVE
* North Shore Times
* Northern District Times
* NORTHSIDE
* Parramatta Advertiser
* Penrith Press
* Rouse Hill Times
* Southern Courier
* The Manly Daily
* The Mosman Daily
* Village Voice Balmain
* Wentworth Courier

Melbourne

Leader (Vic) newspapers[20]

* Bayside Leader
* Berwick/Pakenham Cardinia Leader
* Brimbank Leader
* Caulfield Glen Eira/Port Philip Leader
* Cranbourne Leader
* Dandenong/Springvale Dandenong Leader
* Diamond Valley Leader
* Frankston Standard/Hastings Leader
* Free Press Leader
* Heidelberg Leader
* Hobsons Bay Leader
* Hume Leader
* Knox Leader
* Lilydale & Yarra Valley Leader
* Manningham Leader
* Maribyrnong Leader
* Maroondah Leader
* Melbourne Leader
* Melton/Moorabool Leader
* Moonee Valley Leader
* Moorabbin Kingston/Moorabbin Glen Eira Leader
* Mordialloc Chelsea Leader
* Moreland Leader
* Mornington Peninsula Leader
* Northcote Leader
* Preston Leader
* Progress Leader
* Stonnington Leader
* Sunbury/Macedon Ranges Leader
* Waverley/Oakleigh Monash Leader
* Whitehorse Leader
* Whittlesea Leader
* Wyndham Leader

Brisbane

Quest (QLD) newspapers[21]

* Albert & Logan News (Fri)
* Albert & Logan News (Wed)
* Caboolture Shire Herald
* Caloundra Journal
* City News
* City North News
* City South News
* Ipswich News
* Logan West Leader
* Maroochy Journal
* North-West News
* Northern Times
* Northside Chronicle
* Pine Rivers Press/North Lakes Times
* Redcliffe and Bayside Herald
* South-East Advertiser
* South-West News/Springfield News
* Southern Star
* The Noosa Journal
* weekender
* Westside News
* Wynnum Herald
* Weekender Essential Sunshine Coast

Adelaide

Messenger (SA) newspapers[22]

* Adelaide Matters
* City Messenger
* City North Messenger
* East Torrens Messenger
* Eastern Courier Messenger
* Guardian Messenger
* Hills & Valley Messenger
* Leader Messenger
* News Review Messenger
* Portside Messenger
* Southern Times Messenger
* Weekly Times Messenger

Perth

Community (WA) newspapers[23] (50.1%)

* Advocate
* Canning Times
* Comment News
* Eastern Reporter
* Fremantle-Cockburn Gazette
* Guardian Express
* Hills-Avon Valley Gazette
* Joondalup-Wanneroo Times
* Mandurah Coastal / Pinjarra Murray Times
* Melville Times
* Midland-Kalamunda Reporter
* North Coast Times
* Southern Gazette
* Stirling Times
* Weekend-Kwinana Courier
* Weekender
* Western Suburbs Weekly

Darwin

Sun (NT) newspapers[24]

* Darwin Sun
* Litchfield Sun
* Palmerston Sun

Regional and rural newspapers
New South Wales

* Tweed Sun'
Victoria

* Echo
* Geelong Advertiser
* GeelongNEWS
* The Weekly Times

Queensland

* Ayr Advocate
* Bowen Independent
* Cairns Sun
* Gold Coast Bulletin
* Gold Coast Sun
* Herbert River Express
* Home Hill Observer
* Innisfail Advocate
* Northern Miner
* Port Douglas & Mossman Gazette
* Tablelander - Atherton
* Tablelands Advertiser
* The Cairns Post
* The Noosa Journal
* Townsville Bulletin
* Townsville Sun
* weekender

Tasmania

* Derwent Valley Gazette
* Tasmanian Country

Northern Territory

* Centralian Advocate


Papua New Guinea

* Papua New Guinea Post-Courier


United States

* New York Post

Community Newspaper Group

* The Brooklyn Paper
* Courier-Life Publications
* TimesLedger Newspapers
* Bronx Times Reporter Inc.

International

Dow Jones & Company

Consumer Media Group

* The Wall Street Journal - the leading US financial newspaper.
* Wall Street Journal Europe
* Wall Street Journal Asia
* Barron's - weekly financial markets magazine.
* Marketwatch - Financial news and information website.
* Far Eastern Economic Review
* Financial News

Enterprise Media Group

* Dow Jones Newswires - global, real-time news and information provider.
* Factiva - provides business news and information together with content delivery tools and services.
* Dow Jones Indexes - stock market indexes and indicators, including the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
* Dow Jones Financial Information Services ? produces databases, electronic media, newsletters, conferences, directories, and other information services on specialised markets and industry sectors.
* Betten Financial News ? leading Dutch language financial and economic news service.

Local Media Group'

* Dow Jones Local Media Group (formerly Ottaway Community Newspapers) - 8 daily and 15 weekly regional newspapers.

Strategic Alliances

* STOXX (33%) - joint venture with Deutsche Boerse and SWG Group for the development and distribution of Dow Jones STOXX indices.
* Vedomosti (33%) - Russia's leading financial newspaper (joint venture with Financial Times and Independent Media).
* SmartMoney (50%)
* FiLife.com (50%)

Books

* HarperCollins
o HarperCollins India (40%) joint venture with India Today Group
* Zondervan Publishing
o Youth Specialties ? organisation helping youth workers worldwide through training seminars and conventions, resources and the internet.
o Inspirio ? religious gift production.

Miscellaneous

* National Rugby League (NRL) (50%)
* Ansett Australia, Until 2000 (50%)
* Fox Music
* Jamba! - Mobile Entertainment/Mobile Handsets Personalisation/Games.
o Maximedia Israel (67%)
o Mosgorreklama (50%) - Russia sign and marketing material manufacturer
* NDS Group (49%) - DRM and conditional access company.

You don't think that's slightly scary that one man owns that many areas, and can report in any way he likes; because - who's gonna stop him?

That's not to say anything of his private dining arrangements with Obama, Cameron, Rudd and Harper.

Michael Eisner doesn't even appear on the top 1000 Billionaires list. Murdoch is at 117th.
 

Nyaliva

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superbatranger said:
Well, Fox News provides us with a lot of ammmo. Yeah, they're not perfect, and if you don't like what they say, then don't pay attention.
I really REALLY want to do that but unfortunately, there are too many people who love FOX news wholeheartedly. The thing is, when you express an opinion, however untrue, someone will like it and defend it harder than you. Than someone else sees how hard they're fighting and believe the point they make. They then defend it harder and someone else does the same. This continues in a viscious cycle until someone is standing on a soapbox, pushing this "opinion" regardless of who throws what at them. It's infuriating and a little depressing. The problem with FOX is they start somewhere in the middle of the cycle so what they believe is already hyped to an annoying extent and they have a rather large viewership, so the next step in the cycle is amplified millions-fold.

OT: While most news stations do show a fair amount of bias, FOX provides their points, which are worse sourced than other news stations, with such gusto and close-mindedness that people believe they must know what they're talking about and so believe it.
 

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I see Fox news reporting style as a symptom of the sensationalism that is spread throughout the media. While Fox may be the worst offender, it is by no means the only one. My biggest complaint is not about bias but the sensationalist rhetoric that new agencies use. Look at how opinion shows like Glenn Bleck and O'Rielly color people who oppose their ideas similar to Nazis, Communists while Tea Party members are portrayed as redneck hillbillies or frothing at the mouth anti-government fanatics. If you don't acknowledge that someone of an opposing viewpoint is a rational being then it is impossible to reach any sort of accord.

I don't think Fox News chooses stories about Mass Effect or BulletStorm because they are ignorant so much as they know that those stories will generate readers just by the sensationalist wording.

It is a sad day for Americans when my most trusted source for news on American politics comes from the British (Thank God for the Economist).
 

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Well... as a republican...

I can't say I agree with Fox News at all. I admit they are very biased in many of their reports, and I especially dislike when they bring religion into their "facts".

Now, it is people like their half witted reporters (I am not saying every single member of the crew is an idiot; mainly the people who start the video game related bullshit) that make out us republicans to look like slow brained idiots.
 

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Fucking Politics. STOP FOLLOWING ME.

Ehem.

OT: I don't watch any political program. Fox's Mass Effect story made me rage, let it go in like 15 minutes. Occasionally have to listen Glenn Beck and the gang's crap when I go over to my friend's house. (His Mom loves Faux News) Meh.

I don't completely agree with left or right. I don't know enough to side with either and don't care enough to know enough.
 

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Jaranja said:
Woodsey said:
My thoughts?

Well, I've seen Glenn Beck tell a woman that euthanasia is where the government elects to kill you if you're too much of a financial burden, and I've seen Bill O'Reilly categorically state that Stephen Hawking (he actually kept calling him Hawkings) has no explanation for the moon or the tides.

Their biggest and "best" are a bunch of manipulative morons (or geniuses, depending on how you look at it) who receive viewing figures they probably sold their souls to the devil for.

Glenn Beck even blames the Jews for Jesus' death for fuck's sake.

Don't even get me started on that fucking chalk board of his.
Wait wait wait... Jesus was jewish...

Your kidding right?

Alright let me explain the basics of this entire point of view which a lot of liberals like to pick on. It's not something I paticularly agree with, but it's not that far out there.

Okay, let's start with the basics. The big differance between Jews and Christians is over whether or not Jesus Christ is the son of god, and the savior. Jesus was a Hebrew, but obviously people who are JEWS and follow the religion do not believe he was anything more than a prophet at best, or in some extreme cases a dangerous pretender. Where Christians are waiting for the second coming, Jews are still waiting for their messiah to appear.

A lot of this division is based around the idea that when Jesus appeared, he wasn't the avenging force of divine payback that the Jews wanted or expected. They expected this all powerful dude to show up with a giant chariot, produce massive armies, and pretty much lay waste to their enemies while forging a giant Hebrew empire. To a Christian his apperance as a habinger of peace is exactly the point, to a Jews that means that it wasn't him. This is a simplistic version of things so don't jump on me for it.

The whole "Jews Kilt Jesus" thing is based around the idea that seeing him as a dangerous pretender, the semitic community either rallied to have him killed as a pretender to the throne and were the ones who crucified him, OR were involved directly in the betrayal of Judas who was merely the front man for a conspiricy.

Now, if your not a religious person or don't follow this kind of thing it's kind of pointless to you. If you are a religious scholor, it's one of those things where a case CAN be made for it, but there isn't any real proof (like a lot of things). The problem is that the theory is used largely to inspire anti-semitic sentiment and justify violence. After all if your a hardcore christian and a group of people were responsible for the death of your savior... well you can put it together.

I'm one of those people who while a Christian doesn't see the whole thing as that big a deal. If you look up "Jews Killed Jesus" there are a number of explanations on the subject. It can mean a few differant things depending on the speaker, but the bottom line is always that the Jews (who do not accept Jesus becoming Christians) played a role in his death due to not being happy with the savior that was sent, a "prince of peace" can be disappointing when your looking for high octane divine vengeance.

People might correct me, but that should be more or less correct. I hope it deals with the confusion for when you hear it again. More of an informative thing than anything.
 

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It was a hard toss up between the 'burn in hell' and the 'they're hilarious' options for me. I ended up going for the burn in hell one.

The reason is is that an accurate and unbiased media is a fundamental ingredient in an effective democracy. Without it we may as well all be living in a '1984' style totalitarianism.

Fox News has almost single handed lowered the tone of political debate in the US so that their political system is almost completely a farce. Allowing their politicians to get away with the most petty acts of political propaganda and sabotage. Fox News's fact checking, research and investigation departments are almost non-existent, which saves them a lot of money. At the same time the lack of any journalistic integrity and pandering to the basest fears of the populace has been a ratings winner and proved hugely financially successful.

They have a business model that is successful and destructive. They are the 'grey goo' of the media world and it is eating it's way through our democracies. Anywhere where the news media is owned and run by companies trying to make money they will be facing the same pressures to lower themselves to fox news model. Travesties of the media like the 2000 Presidential election and the second Iraq war will continue until the media is strengthened and removed from the pressures of the commercial world.

F-I-D-O said:
Fox isn't the best, but they are by far not the worst.
Then who is the worst? If they owned by Murdoch it may as well be the same thing.

Here is nice example of a very important but difficult issue that needs to be addressed yet action on the mater is stalled because Fox News (among many others) has muddied the debate with baseless political pandering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg