Poll: Fun control

[martin's a madman]

I read this on a forum some where it said. "Gun Control is necessary to hit your target" It might have actually been this website just a different forum. Either way it was hilarious.

 

[Mr Wednesday]

So we should ban pistols on the grounds that if someone decides to commit murder they have a change of heart when they realise pistol ownership is illegal?

A ban would mean that they stop being produced and any that the authorities find would be taken out of circulation, it is not perfect but it helps.

I live in the UK, pistols were banned here in 1997. The number of crimes involving handguns hase gone UP steadily since because they are readily available on the black market and criminals feel very safe using them. Because no law abiding citizen carrys a gun they know they will always be better armed. How do you think they would feel if even 10% of us carried concealed weapons?

Dunno about you, but I feel alot safer knowing that the police can't shoot me just because they're pissed that McFatfraks is out out of coffee and dohnuts.

And, could you provide some evidence for this "steadily gone up thing", please.

 

[TMAN10112]

It is ridiculous that you can buy an assault weapon in the U.S.

What exactly is your definition of an "Assault Weapon"?

 

[Pink_Pirate]

guns, like cars, turn people into raging lunatics that thing nothing can hurt them... now i accept cars as a necessary evil because im lazy, but keep guns the fuck away from public hands.

 

[Keela]

Even if someone has a criminal record, they'll will still get their hands on guns from runners and gangs. We should just take out the middle man and let every all citezins above 18 buy and own a gun.

The problem there is that most gun violence doesn't come from gangs and random criminals hanging out on the street, but from everyday people who just snap or have some sort of plan that others don't know of. Legal gun owners are often a bigger threat than criminal gun owners. What I would like to see happen (in the U.S. at least) is for people who want to own anything other than a shotgun or hunting rifle to have to join the national guard or another military branch.

Very true, but Even a pistol? I mean, like a 9mm (or smaller), used for receration of self-defense? I'd think it would be easier to defend your self with a pistol than a shot-gun, even more so when they are intruding your home.

2 (or 3, whatever floats your boat if you're American or whatever's your cup of tea if not) words: Sawed-off shotty. The pellets don't penetrate enough to be a serious danger to someone in another room or house, and anything in a narrow hallway had better pray faster than they ever have in their life. I'm pretty sure sawed-offs are legal somewhere, somehow in America, and they are extremely easy to use, carry, and point. Hell, you don't even have to be accurate most of the time!

 

[Last of the Chinchillas]

It is ridiculous that you can buy an assault weapon in the U.S.

What exactly is your definition of an "Assault Weapon"?

I direct you to the front page, good sir, where Berethond and I essentially settled this. Pretty much just a partial misunderstanding of the more technical bits about firearms on my part.

 

[TMAN10112]

It is ridiculous that you can buy an assault weapon in the U.S.

What exactly is your definition of an "Assault Weapon"?

I direct you to the front page, good sir, where Berethond and I essentially settled this. Pretty much just a partial misunderstanding of the more technical bits about firearms on my part.

I'm sorry, I should have looked over the thread better.

 

[Last of the Chinchillas]

It is ridiculous that you can buy an assault weapon in the U.S.

What exactly is your definition of an "Assault Weapon"?

I direct you to the front page, good sir, where Berethond and I essentially settled this. Pretty much just a partial misunderstanding of the more technical bits about firearms on my part.

I'm sorry, I should have looked over the thread better.

No biggie. It's a long thread, and you shouldn't have to look over all of it if you don't want to.

 

[Clashero]

Yes, I'd love to be able to swing my claws at people.
Oh, firearms! Well, then, I think that criminals are going to get their hands on guns anyway, so civilians might as well be armed (I'll never buy a gun, though. Miniature crossbow for the win. Or, for something more practical, tazers.)

 

[Souplex]

No biggie. It's a long thread, and you shouldn't have to look over all of it if you don't want to.

It is actually pretty short by Escapist standards,(Just hit three pages)there are just a lot of complex opinions and un-snipped quotes.

 

[Satin6T]

I think we should all have as many Guns as possible, as long as they're American, because Americans are awesome and deserve all the Deadly Killing Machines they can get.

Amen

 

[Thamous]

We can't buy assault weapons in the U.S.

Actually I am fairly sure you can in certain states.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can't get around the Congressional Assault Weapons ban.

Well the assault weapons ban expired in 2004, and fully automatic weapons are legal to own if you posses the proper license and ,if I recall correctly, if they were made before 1984.

 

[asinann]

I like being able to conceal my .44 mag and I'd like to keep it that way. Was the 2nd ammendment reference really neccesary though?

I used it to establish that guns aren't the pea shooters our founding fathers had in mind and as such people might want some changes to gun control. I think it works.

Other than the fact that it didn't take 2 minutes to load those things and they were all .50 cal shots.

I have to ask: did your finger slip while you were typing the title, or was that intentional?

It is ridiculous that you can buy an assault weapon in the U.S. No amount of deer hunting requires armor piercing rounds and a muzzle velocity of 3,200 ft/s.

Uhhhh....
We can't buy assault weapons in the U.S.

Really, then I guess the gun shop down the street with the class C firearms dealing license is doing something illegal then. And so am I since I have a class C firearms permit that specifically allows me to purchase and own assault weapons.

We can't buy assault weapons in the U.S.

Actually I am fairly sure you can in certain states.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can't get around the Congressional Assault Weapons ban.

You mean the one the supreme court struck down or the one that expired?

Just because they look like fully automatic assault rifles doesn't mean they are.
And no, of course not.
It's a completely different receiver.

Just because it's not fully automatic doesn't mean it's not an assault rifle. The M16A2 is not fully automatic, are you going to tell the military it isn't an assault rifle?

The only thing needed in California to classify something as an assault weapon is a magazine that is in front of the trigger.

 

[Thwarted]

Link to home office gun crime statistics in the UK 98-2007

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm

gun crime doubled between 1998 and 2006, the period directly after handguns were banned.

to the poster above me, the 1992 ban expired in 2002. At the time there was an attempt to have it extended but that failed when it went before congress. The 1984 Assault weapons act still applies and has no period of expiry, unlike the 1992 ban.

 

[Souplex]

For readability sake can I ask that everyone snip their quotes down to what they are actually discussing or use spoilers?

 

[Mr Wednesday]

Link to home office gun crime statistics in the UK 98-2007

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6960431.stm

gun crime doubled between 1998 and 2006, the period directly after handguns were banned.

Well that's pretty bloody conclusive. I salute you for not talking out of your arse like most internet folk. These are statistics mind, and such things can be warped, simply by how data is collated. You do have to take into account that gun crime suddenly included owning a gun, and other new offences. Still though, I'm impressed.

 

[LCP]

Guns are necessary. An armed civilian force is the worst enemy to a fascism

 

[Mr Wednesday]

Guns are necessary. An armed civilian force is the worst enemy to a fascism

I'm really not sure I believe that.

I'd say, given the right circumstances, they can be the very thing used to usher in its birth. Fascism isn't always a top down thing. Hilter built the Nazi party from the ground up, not from the Reichstagg down, and totalitarian Russia, one of the most evil institutions in history, was a people's revolution.

There is a danger in assuming that the only enemy is the Man.