Poll: Fun control

[Deleted]

Its not like civilians use their guns to protect themselves. When have you heard someone using a gun on a gangster?

 

[LCP]

Guns are necessary. An armed civilian force is the worst enemy to a fascism

I'm really not sure I believe that.

I'd say, given the right circumstances, they can be the very thing used to usher in its birth. Fascism isn't always a top down thing. Hilter built the Nazi party from the ground up, not from the Reichstagg down, and totalitarian Russia, one of the most evil institutions in history, was a people's revolution.

There is a danger in assuming that the only enemy is the Man.

I mean invading forces.

Its not like civilians use their guns to protect themselves. When have you heard someone using a gun on a gangster?

watch some TRUtv

 

[shotgunbob]

Most states have laws against automatic weapons. Some have permits I think but im not sure. Alot of guns are seriously unneccasary for civilans to own. Like 50. Cal rifles. A bit of overkill for a deer or an intruder

 

[Mr Wednesday]

I mean invading forces.

Well... well yes, a massive civilian insurgency is a pretty surfire way to kick out an invading force, or, at least bleed it dry. But honestly, who would be stupid enough to invade America? As far as terrain goes it's up there with Russia for "Only a Moron Would Invade this Land"ness.

Fascism can come from within, and thrives on a diet of angry, millitaristic men. Once they're in place, everyone is either too cowardly, or too dead, to say anything.

Also, why then specifically Fascism? Its not like that particular philosophy has a monopoly on foreign conquest.

 

[LCP]

I mean invading forces.

Well... well yes, a massive civilian insurgency is a pretty surfire way to kick out an invading force, or, at least bleeding it dry. But honestly, who would be stupid enough to invade America? As far as terrain goes it's up there with Russia for "Only a Moron Would Invade this Land"ness.

Fascism can come from within, and thrives on a diet of angry, millitaristic men. Once they're in place, everyone is either too cowardly, or too dead, to say anything.

that is a good time to move to south and rename yourself to Benito Camelas

 

[Thwarted]

Can anyone fill me in on why some people are ideologically opposed to gun ownership? I know it's more than simple ignorance of what happens when they are banned. Most people dont care about evidence here, they just pick a side and run with it. can anyone explain?

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

The problem there is that most gun violence doesn't come from gangs and random criminals hanging out on the street, but from everyday people who just snap or have some sort of plan that others don't know of. Legal gun owners are often a bigger threat than criminal gun owners. What I would like to see happen (in the U.S. at least) is for people who want to own anything other than a shotgun or hunting rifle to have to join the national guard or another military branch.

Where do you get that idea? Most of the news I see that mentions gun violence is when it's involved in the commision of another crime, like drug dealing or robbery. Source, please?

Well, seeing as this is a casual conversation, I'm not really in the mood to do extensive research, so I'll just use the same source you used- whenever I hear about gun crime or see it in the news its almost always related to domestic violence, planned murder, murder-suicide, or kidnapping, all usually committed by seemingly normal people who have legally owned guns for quite some time.

EDIT- If anybody wants to look up some statistics and send them our way, go for it.

 

[stonethered]

i'm torn here.
on the one hand cities should have strong gun control, even with the best intentions a gun in a crowded room is a death witing to happen.
on the other hand even out in the middle of no where a gun is still a weapon waiting to hurt something.
further, assault rifles and other military grade weaponry should never be made available to civilians. ever.
conversely, in a rural area a weapon may be needed for either a) survival or b) self defense against loonies, indeed the same applies to cities.


i propose a return to sword based self defense. as swords are difficult to conceal yet quite practical for defense against any natural opponents(i.e. bears, wolves, minor demons, etc...)
while in a true self defense situation a ranged weapon like a gun is generally impractical in either a close quarters situation(see last note) or in a room full of innocent bystanders. a ranged weapon is only truly effective against an opponent you can see coming from sufficent distance, or one who is also ranged.

edit: and is the title on purpose? because it's a punny title.

 

[tthor]

i'm torn here.
on the one hand cities should have strong gun control, even with the best intentions a gun in a crowded room is a death witing to happen.
on the other hand even out in the middle of no where a gun is still a weapon waiting to hurt something.
further, assault rifles and other military grade weaponry should never be made available to civilians. ever.
conversely, in a rural area a weapon may be needed for either a) survival or b) self defense against loonies, indeed the same applies to cities.


i propose a return to sword based self defense. as swords are difficult to conceal yet quite practical for defense against any natural opponents(i.e. bears, wolves, minor demons, etc...)
while in a true self defense situation a ranged weapon like a gun is generally impractical in either a close quarters situation(see last note) or in a room full of innocent bystanders. a ranged weapon is only truly effective against an opponent you can see coming from sufficent distance, or one who is also ranged.

edit: and is the title on purpose? because it's a punny title.

i vaguely remember an example of this in social studies,
some country armed with guns fought against china, who were armed with swords. needless to say, the chinese were masicured, and realized their swords were not enough anymore

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Fact: cops take about 10-20 minutes to get to the scene of any crime after it's phoned in.

So if you want to be sure you have the best chance possible to not die, a gun and a pair of excellent running shoes are probably your best bet.

Even if all guns are made illegal, criminals are people who break the law. They can always find guns as long as they have money. You want a perfect gun ban? Bomb every poor country in the world out of existence, 'cause they're the ones with thriving black markets.

 

[stonethered]

i vaguely remember an example of this in social studies,
some country armed with guns fought against china, who were armed with swords. needless to say, the chinese were masicured, and realized their swords were not enough anymore

hmmn.
that does sound familliar.
were you aware that many countries maintain armories?
it is possible to have a country that is both defended against external threats and able to reduce the potential impact of internal violence.
i didn't say to abolish guns, just that civilians should consider alternative, less dangerous, forms of self-defense.
and with proper equipment police would be considerably less vulnerable to street knifings. since that is still a very considerable problem. it's the reason why i recomended the more difficult to conceal sword.

 

[Dorian6]

I'm all in favor of giving guns to hunters. That'll increase the chances of two rednecks blowing each others heads off.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

Civillians should never be allowed to have guns.

If you answered this your an intelligent person who understands the value of life.

If you answered anything else your American.

 

[Lazzi]

I like being able to conceal my .44 mag and I'd like to keep it that way. Was the 2nd ammendment reference really neccesary though?

Its unintentioanly makes the thread a bit more light hearted, otherwise we might not have gotten all these nice "bear arms" pictures.

 

[JonnoStrife]

Semi-Automatic weapons limited only to people who are of sound mental health and have no criminal convictions at all. This means no freak with schizoid tendencies can go and get a M16, take it down to the nearest duck pond and blow away half the small children and new parents gathered at its edge. It also means that if a punk ass 'Thug Life' ****** goes to pray on your grandma's bridge buddy , she can blow out his knee cap to teach him a lesson.

 

[Thwarted]

Civillians should never be allowed to have guns.

If you answered this your an intelligent person who understands the value of life.

If you answered anything else your American.

nonsense. Life is meaningless without the freedom to choose how to live it. If we banned things because they are dangerous then cars and alcahol would go long before guns. It comes down to wether you want your government to prioratise your freedom over your safety or not, and I for one quite like living in a liberal democracy.

 

[sheic99]

Semi-Automatic weapons limited only to people who are of sound mental health and have no criminal convictions at all. This means no freak with schizoid tendencies can go and get a M16, take it down to the nearest duck pond and blow away half the small children and new parents gathered at its edge. It also means that if a punk ass 'Thug Life' ****** goes to pray on your grandma's bridge buddy , she can blow out his knee cap to teach him a lesson.

An m16 is a semi-automatic.

Civillians should never be allowed to have guns.

If you answered this your an intelligent person who understands the value of life.

If you answered anything else you're American.

As an American, I don't appreciate your trolling.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

Well, seeing as this is a casual conversation, I'm not really in the mood to do extensive research, so I'll just use the same source you used- whenever I hear about gun crime or see it in the news its almost always related to domestic violence, planned murder, murder-suicide, or kidnapping, all usually committed by seemingly normal people who have legally owned guns for quite some time.

EDIT- If anybody wants to look up some statistics and send them our way, go for it.

Interesting. Do you mind if I ask where you live? I wonder if it's a regional thing. I live in rural Illinois, USA. Most of my news comes from the Chicagoland area. And yeah, anyone willing to look up gun violence stats-much obliged.

Also interesting. I'm not willing to give you too much of an approximation, but I will say that I live in Northern Indiana, so it seems like our news shouldn't differ too much. However, seeing as you get your news from Chicago, I can definitely see why you seem to see a lot more reports of drug dealers and the like. We have meth labs and armed robberies where I live, but the methies don't tend to be armed, and the robberies are sparse. I still think that guns should be more heavily restricted than they are now, but I do understand where you are coming from- perhaps this issue should be dealt with using state legislation, rather than a sweeping national law, as circumstances are varied throughout the country. I will say, however, that I don't like the idea of anyone owning semi-auto weapons- they may not be as powerful as fully automatic weapons, but they're still ridiculous for any purpose other than mass killing.

 

[JonnoStrife]

Semi-Automatic weapons limited only to people who are of sound mental health and have no criminal convictions at all. This means no freak with schizoid tendencies can go and get a M16, take it down to the nearest duck pond and blow away half the small children and new parents gathered at its edge. It also means that if a punk ass 'Thug Life' ****** goes to pray on your grandma's bridge buddy , she can blow out his knee cap to teach him a lesson.

An m16 is a semi-automatic.

Civillians should never be allowed to have guns.

If you answered this your an intelligent person who understands the value of life.

If you answered anything else you're American.

As an American, I don't appreciate your trolling.

My point being that a regular person could own and M16 but the person i described was obviously
NOT regular. He would fall into the not-of-sound-mental-health section.