Poll: Gay marriage- your thoughts?

[Pseudonym2]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

 

[NeverAiling]

Your argument ignores that gay people grow up in straight families. Why didn't we learn that gayness is incorrect?

Obviously preventing gay people from marrying isn't going to stop gay people from being born with each generation.

99% of us come from straight parents.

/fail (not meant for the person direct;ly above me)

 

[Ursus Astrorum]

Honestly, if it's not hurting anyone, and it makes them happy, I don't see the problem. I also don't really give a shit if they call it "marriage" or "domestic partnership". Because if both parties get the same rights, then you changing the name of the 'event' is just plain denial.

So long as they don't rub it in my face and try to make me follow them, they can do what they want.

Two questions:

1. When you say "don't rub it in my face", do you mean it like the same way when heterosexual married couples go off after the ceremony in their ribbon clad cars and beep at everyone who go by to 'express' their happiness?

2. How exactly can they get you to 'follow' them...? Are you afraid that with homosexuals getting the same rights as normal married couples they might somehow force you to become gay and then marry some other guy...? Your point is lost to me.

1. No. I'm saying when they go out of their way to show their orientation, as if doing something not usually acceptable by social norm gives them some form of special status.

2. In all truth, that was a stock response to anything particularly controversial, as that is my belief in most cases: Don't shove it under my nose, don't threaten me with a knife for believing otherwise, and you can do whatever you want. I'm not one to tell people what they can and cannot do unless it affects me directly.

Well that I can understand. But for every gay person who goes around flaunting their sexuality and wearing rainbow colored everything, there are 10 other gay people who look and act just the same as you do(not 'you' in particular, but you know what I mean).
It's how the media likes to portray gays as. It's provocative, and it catches the most attention. So who cares if it's true, right?

Even I think that the type of gays who go around being all fabulous is annoying, and I think that gay parades are kinda pointless. It's annoying, but, it's understandable. When society is trying to pretend you don't exist, you try to stand out as much as you can. If gay people had the same rights as any other person, they probably wouldn't feel the need to promote themselves like that. I'm not saying that all fabulous gays would disappear because they would have no more need for attention. There's always going to be an attention whore out there, gay or not.


...I'm writing alot today.;

Don't get me wrong, I've got a couple of gay friends who are as mundane and typical as everyone else (love of sewing notwithstanding). And I accept that. I know there's more to gays than rainbows and fashion, just as I know there's more to the african american populace than thugs and rap music. I just don't particularly enjoy the overpatronized stereotypes that are so regularly flaunted by most any group. The bandwagon-hopping, "I think I'm gay" teenagers don't help things either.

 

[arcainia]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Sorry, I call bullshit. I know plenty of people who have extremely uptight parents who think gays are disgusting. Their kids disagree with them. Also you should know that those flamboyant types are hardly the ones who want to get settled down and adopt children.

Also I think that society would make it very clear to said children that homosexuality is not accepted, sad as it is. But hey, they may have a slight chance of learning tolerance, right?

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I'm fine with giving gay couples the legal status of marriage (and it's benefits and whatnot) but if a church doesn't want to let them be "married" (in the old sense of the word) i'm fine with that too. Basically, if there isn't a religion that tolerates the concept then at least allow for the civil equivalent.

 

[Noamuth]

Gays and lesbians need to accept that the church isn't going to let them marry 'in the eyes of God'. It's not going to happen, not any time bloody soon.

That being said, they should be given the right to have a union of some sort, recognized by the law, that allows all the same rights as a marriage. It's not asking a lot.

 

[BIGpanda]

I hate the idea of marriage. if you want to commit yourself to your life partner get your names changed. it's basically the same shit, explain your living status and boom welcome to hellcommitment. I can grasp that homosexuals want equal human rights and that their treated like aliens and etc perfectly. but when you say marriage, the image that ordinarily comes to mind is that of a moderately happy Christan family capable of making ends meat and being able to provide for themselves and afew family relatives.

this is where I draw the line between rights and wrongs. for the past few hundreds of years worth the US history I'm pretty sure that a large majority of the country's population is of course christan...and if there's one thing I've learn in sunday school it's that the ten commandments are pretty strict about heterosexuality, otherwise it wouldn't have been a rule.

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

 

[StickManRampage]

So long as they don't rub it in my face and try to make me follow them, they can do what they want.

Exactly.

 

[InDavo]

For gay unions, against gay marrige (because marrige is between a man and a women gay marrige is a contradiction in terms.)

I hear this argument a lot, and for someone who used to work in the food service industry, I have to say there are MANY different definitions of the word marriage.

One involves pouring the remains of a half-empty ketchup bottle into another half-empty ketchup bottle, thus "marrying the ketchup." Are these bottles different genders? Is it an abomination if they are not? FOR SHAME, YOU GODLESS TOMATO-DERIVATIVE HOMOS!!!

And Prop 5's "Protect Marriage" crap? Ugh don't get me started.

(btw one of the reasons homosexuals want the same rights as hetero married couples is because of hospital visitation rights. Only spouses and family members can visit you after-hours. Lovers get the shaft, if you'll pardon the pun.)

Personally, I despise the institution of marriage. Makes everyone miserable and ruins sex for life.

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

So you'd rather deny family-less children loving homes?

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Sorry, I call bullshit. I know plenty of people who have extremely uptight parents who think gays are disgusting. Their kids disagree with them. Also you should know that those flamboyant types are hardly the ones who want to get settled down and adopt children.

Also I think that society would make it very clear to said children that homosexuality is not accepted, sad as it is. But hey, they may have a slight chance of learning tolerance, right?

sorry i'm not familiar with gay motives. but children spend 20% of their time in "society". the rest is spent in the home. either way, children don't identify what homosexuality as it relates to heterosexuality until about 8-12 years old when the brain has reached a higher level of processing social information. 8 years is a long enough time for a child to be influenced by their parents. and those people who have uptight parents, good for them. but they were still influenced by their parents behavior, because they decide their behavior by it

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

For gay unions, against gay marrige (because marrige is between a man and a women gay marrige is a contradiction in terms.)

I hear this argument a lot, and for someone who used to work in the food service industry, I have to say there are MANY different definitions of the word marriage.

One involves pouring the remains of a half-empty ketchup bottle into another half-empty ketchup bottle, thus "marrying the ketchup." Are these bottles different genders? Is it an abomination if they are not? FOR SHAME, YOU GODLESS TOMATO-DERIVATIVE HOMOS!!!

And Prop 5's "Protect Marriage" crap? Ugh don't get me started.

(btw one of the reasons homosexuals want the same rights as hetero married couples is because of hospital visitation rights. Only spouses and family members can visit you after-hours. Lovers get the shaft, if you'll pardon the pun.)

Personally, I despise the institution of marriage. Makes everyone miserable and ruins sex for life.

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

So you'd rather deny family-less children loving homes?

i wouldn't deny anything. i would just let the gay parents know that they are going to manipulate their child's mind regardless of they think is right.

 

[arcainia]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

You realize that that sort of situation is totally unrealistic right? Said child would most likely go to school, associate with other people, learn things from television, books, and the internet. He can't possibly grow up knowing nothing but 'gay stuff'. Shouldn't it be the same case for children who have stright parents? Shouldn't they think that heterosexuality is the only 'right' thing out there? If it was truly like that, we wouldn't have gays in the world.

Also veggies is a matter of taste. My niece has tasted every snack and every veggie young children are allowed to consume, She prefers veggies. Bad analogy.

 

[internutt]

As a Christian I say why not.

Almost every sitcom ever made has always been about how difficult marriage can be and at times it can be miserable.

Let the gays be miserable.

Besides. Think of the money the government will make in divorce fees!

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

Nature vs. Nurture. Gay people come from straight parents. They are not raised that way. Gays can come out of families where their brothers and sisters have turned out to be straight. No doubt the same happens if a child is raised by two men or two women.

 

[Simriel]

It's ridiculous that we still have legal unions and religious ones intertwined several hundred years after the supposed divorce of church and state. Fix that, and the religious folks can keep their ceremonies gay free while gays can enjoy the legal status of marriage. Everyone's happy, and homosexuals can continue to try to be accepted as human beings.

if only we all thought like you. Wait... i do think like you. Go me!

 

[Simriel]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

You realize that that sort of situation is totally unrealistic right? Said child would most likely go to school, associate with other people, learn things from television, books, and the internet. He can't possibly grow up knowing nothing but 'gay stuff'. Shouldn't it be the same case for children who have stright parents? Shouldn't they think that heterosexuality is the only 'right' thing out there? If it was truly like that, we wouldn't have gays in the world.

Also veggies is a matter of taste. My niece has tasted every snack and every veggie young children are allowed to consume, She prefers veggies. Bad analogy.

I am offended by the point of view that only gay men can be flamboyant! I am as flamboyant as Stephen Fry and i like the ladies!

 

[arcainia]

As a Christian I say why not.

Almost every sitcom ever made has always been about how difficult marriage can be and at times it can be miserable.

Let the gays be miserable.

Besides. Think of the money the government will make in divorce fees!

Um, I think they're already making plenty off the miserable stright people.
If anything, letting gays marry would improve the economy.

 

[cannot_aim]

I dont care if they do or dont but they should have the right to get married

 

[space_oddity]

Gays have the right to be miserable too.

 

[Lios]

Well I'm quite for gay marriage. In fact I really don't much care about it, and that's the thing. I won't mind so long as you don't rub it in my face and attempt to force me into it and "understand" (christians may now start taking notes). So many gay people I've encountered and that I don't know personally will not shut up about them being gay and trying to make me understand, and that's the point. I don't WANT to understand. I don't CARE. If you leave people alone about it they won't CARE. Gay people can be gay until they suddenly start growing breasts for all I care, just leave me be to my own sexuality preferences.



If you're gay: Alrighty then. So how was your day?
If you're gay and you're continuously talking to me about it: SHUT UP! I don't want to hear it because I don't care.