Poll: Gay marriage- your thoughts?

[Mr0llivand3r]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

Gay people have been adopting for a while and that hasn't happened. Also all gay men aren't flamboyant and all gay men don't only associate with other gays.

well who's to say if it has or hasn't happened. all i'm saying is that a child's mind is very capable of being manipulated, even unintentionally. it's definitely possible and very likely.
imagine if you will, being fed only broccoli and other somewhat nasty vegetables since birth. you wouldn't really know that vegetables taste bad, since you've never had anything good tasting to compare it to, like ice cream. the same thing with gay child raising. a child who is in contact with nothing but gay people who raise them will think that that's the way it should be: two men or two women, because they've never had the influence of straight parents

You realize that that sort of situation is totally unrealistic right? Said child would most likely go to school, associate with other people, learn things from television, books, and the internet. He can't possibly grow up knowing nothing but 'gay stuff'. Shouldn't it be the same case for children who have stright parents? Shouldn't they think that heterosexuality is the only 'right' thing out there? If it was truly like that, we wouldn't have gays in the world.

Also veggies is a matter of taste. My niece has tasted every snack and every veggie young children are allowed to consume, She prefers veggies. Bad analogy.

you realize that that situation is hypothetical, even though in this liberal age children are exposed to more gay tolerance than ever. that coupled with having gay parents is drastic. and as far as not having gays int he world, most true gays always claim that they were "born that way" contradicting the idea of not having any gays in the world

and it's plain to see that you're they type of person who likes to play word games because you assumed that i was literally using something as insipid as vegetables as an argument. following psychology and the study of the mind, i was simply using a small example that relates to the mind not being able to differentiate positive from negative without having experienced both. A Yin without the Yang, if you will.

So you think tolerance is a bad thing then? I bet there were people like you who said that kids were getting exposed to too much African-American tolerance back in the thirties.

And I bet you're a hippie. Wow, you really know how to blow a conversation out of proportion. that's a pretty fucking sensationalist claim to assume that i hate tolerance. Why you're offended i have no idea, but don't assume you know anything about me

 

[Avatar Roku]

The fact that childern grow up with two parents of the same sex is not natural and I don't mean that in a whole "gays are bad and should be burned way". I mean think about it, anything from our food, to our enviorment that isn't natural is killing us... It gives us cancer, makes us fat and slow and turns us into idiots. While I don't think having two parrents of the same sex will give a kid cancer(although with cancer you never know) but neither do I believe that it is as Physiologically healthy as having parrents who are a male and a female. And for the tests and stastics we simply don't have a large enough sample to make an acurate measurment nor the long term affects.

Homosexuality is perfectly natural. It has been documented in almost every species of mammal.

I agree with it being natural (after all, who would choose to be gay given all the discrimination?), but do you have a source for that? I've never heard that, and it would be interesting if it were true.

 

[Darkdawn]

Hm. I created an account just so I could post in this topic.
Anyways.

Okay, first of all, marriage is retarded. Yay, you get to be called husband and wife and have taxes together instead of separately! Marriage is technically a legal union. And since I'm pretty sure the Constitution says nothing about gay people, something that's legal for heteros should be legal for homos.
Yay for unconstitutional retard religious bigots!
Okay, next point.
Gays are people. I don't see them sprouting wings or having machine guns popping from unmentionables, so it's safe to say they're humans. And unless you're from the 50's or before, then you're just messed up in the head to discriminate for a reason that's so crappy of who likes who. Should (insert random person's name here) be discriminated because they like (insert random video game title here) just because they like it?
No. And if you said yes, go into an alley and get mugged.
Here's my most important point.
The Bible was not something that fell from the clouds in a beam of light. People made it. People are retarded. Hence, the Bible is about as good of something to listen to as Encyclopedia Dramatica. Look it up. Listening to the Bible is like listening to George Bush. One of the stupidest things anyone could ever do. And yes, I'm atheist.
Oh yeah, one last thing.
Bigots are just as good as the people who assassinated JFK and MLK Jr.
Bigots = a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
Which basically translates to people who are homophobes, racists, sexists, the Bush Administration, etc.

 

[YouGetWhatsGiven]

I respect your opinion, but what is it that you think gay people destroy?

Culture. Look at Ancient Greece, homosexuality was rampant in greece and familys where ruined when the father ran off with his gay partner, the culture eventually was left in shambles. Homosexuality is slowly destroying american culture [not much to destroy!] also. We have more shows for homosexuals than for heterosexuals! Also it is destroying sexual taste, males are becoming attached to lesbian porn, so much so that it is a turn on, smae goes for females but the porn is of the opposite sex.

They would not run off if they where not already married. Also, I think that, like Barrack Obama, people need a chance before we judge them.

 

[Arcade_Fire]

For opponents of gay marriage: how the flying fuckballs does two people who love each-other getting married effect you in a directly negative way? What's it to you?

If god really had some sort of divine objection, let them suffer the consequences. Who are you to try and do God's job for him? Let him smite people on his own.

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

that's under the impulse that the gays are INTENTIONALLY telling their children, "Johnny, straight people are bad. the right way to be is gay. If you are straight we will disown you. you better not be straight" that's nonsense!! of course that's not what i'm talking about, although a parent who says anything like that to their child at a young age should be taken out and beaten. But little Johnny seeing something as small as seeing Daddy and Daddy kissing is enough to make them think, "Well Daddy and Daddy love each other. I guess that's how it's supposed to be." This is prolonged behavior and exposure which takes a few years to manifest itself. And just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, giving how long ago that practice even became a debatable issue

I see what you mean, but you must take into consideration that this little boy[who I guess I'll call Johnny as well but we really should have talked about the name together] will have friends who have heterosexual parents; and then when he goes to school, sex education and anything to do with families will probably be about heterosexual couples. This will eventually confuse little Johnny and he will either talk to a member of the school or more likely his parents who will [in all hopes] set him up to understand both routes of sexuality are perfectly normal; and if he is unsure, to experiment before making sure.
There are situations where a child could be exposed to Homosexuality enough to believe it is the most common form of sexuality, and if it works for the child and they become openly homosexual then all the more power to that child. If this child, however, decided that it prefers heterosexual to homosexual he will probably research or ask around and discover heterosexuality.

The Only possible way for a child to falsely believe that Homosexuality is the ONLY form of relationship, is where a child is manipulate into it. Because after all, every child will eventually find out how babies are made... and if not then there is something extremely wrong and that is a situation where the authorities would be called into action.

Another side of the debate believe that being homosexual is the way they were born. In these areas, children of homosexual relationships who become homosexual are believes to have received the gene which brings about homosexual tendencies. I personal believe that homosexuality is a decision and until they bring about scientific proof, I will stick to my bias.

i understand, but the fact that some gays even claim to have been born that way means that there are many gays who weren't and became that way. all i'm saying is that since the mind of a small child is must more malleable and shapeable, they MAY end up being another "became that way because of my surroundings" gay person

 

[Slayer_2]

I don't care as long as they don't try and ass-rape me

 

[Aschenkatza]

[Snipped parts away]

EDIT I agree with mr olliver about the children thing.

On your Edit: Did you read my rebuttal on children?

 

[HonorableChairman]

The fact that childern grow up with two parents of the same sex is not natural and I don't mean that in a whole "gays are bad and should be burned way". I mean think about it, anything from our food, to our enviorment that isn't natural is killing us... It gives us cancer, makes us fat and slow and turns us into idiots. While I don't think having two parrents of the same sex will give a kid cancer(although with cancer you never know) but neither do I believe that it is as Physiologically healthy as having parrents who are a male and a female. And for the tests and stastics we simply don't have a large enough sample to make an acurate measurment nor the long term affects.

Homosexuality is perfectly natural. It has been documented in almost every species of mammal.

I agree with it being natural (after all, who would choose to be gay given all the discrimination?), but do you have a source for that? I've never heard that, and it would be interesting if it were true.

Bonobos.

Wiki them.

 

[arcainia]

I respect your opinion, but what is it that you think gay people destroy?

Culture. Look at Ancient Greece, homosexuality was rampant in greece and familys where ruined when the father ran off with his gay partner, the culture eventually was left in shambles. Homosexuality is slowly destroying american culture [not much to destroy!] also. We have more shows for homosexuals than for heterosexuals! Also it is destroying sexual taste, males are becoming attached to lesbian porn, so much so that it is a turn on, same goes for females but the porn is of the opposite sex.

Well I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. I seriously doubt it was homosexuality that brought upon Greece's downfall. Also yes, we have alot more shows with homosexuals in them then we did, let's say, 20 years ago. But they still don't over-number the ones that focus on heterosexual relationship.

And I don't really see how porn an issue.

 

[Mr0llivand3r]

just don't raise children

Why?

because a young child's mind is more impressionable than you can possibly imagine. if a child is raise in an environment where there are nothing but flamboyant men, for example, they are going to truly believe that not only is gay marriage a universally acceptable practice, but even the RIGHT practice. If they are exposed to nothing but homosexuality from a very young age, they will grow to believe that heterosexuality is incorrect

This is ridiculous. Yes children are impressionable, but your talking about extreme situations which have never happened to my knowledge. The parents would have to actively show the children that being anything other than homosexual is wrong; which is what some heterosexual parents do if they are homophobic, i.e. show their children that being homosexual is wrong. [AKA: No one takes children away from heterosexual parents based on their sexual preferences...]
To immediately suggest that a homosexual couple will manipulate their children to believing heterosexual activities are wrong shows an irrational fear. It's just stupid.

that's under the impulse that the gays are INTENTIONALLY telling their children, "Johnny, straight people are bad. the right way to be is gay. If you are straight we will disown you. you better not be straight" that's nonsense!! of course that's not what i'm talking about, although a parent who says anything like that to their child at a young age should be taken out and beaten. But little Johnny seeing something as small as seeing Daddy and Daddy kissing is enough to make them think, "Well Daddy and Daddy love each other. I guess that's how it's supposed to be." This is prolonged behavior and exposure which takes a few years to manifest itself. And just because you haven't heard it doesn't mean it hasn't happened, giving how long ago that practice even became a debatable issue

So um...what exactly is the bad point here? You're scared that the children might turn gay themselves? Or that they might grow up hating heterosexuals...?
If you can, I would like to see some statistics of children being raised by gay couples and its supposed affects. The whole 'it may have happened and we just don't know about it' isn't going to get my fear factor running.

gay ppl have so much rights it mind blowings.they make shows about them they have everything and they ***** you say one bad thing about them everybody has to love them or your called a raceist its bullshit i say

Lol, God I hope that was sarcasm.

I'm not scared that children will turn gay. I don't give a fuck about who somebody loves. If they want dick, fine. That's their preference. I'm just pointing out the fact if a child becomes gay because he or she thinks that they should because their PARENTS are gay, then that's not only stupid, it's a reflection on gay people raising children and how it's capable of fucking with the mind of an innocent child

 

[Dogmeat T Dingo]

Well I am the 'extremeist' from the other thread, I will put this more kindly. I am agianst it, keep traditional marriage. If you want to know why, ask. Otherwise I will not say anymore.

....uhh...okay....I ask you ghost02, what is it that has you against gay marriage.

Ok I will copy and paste.

Bible says no. Sorry guys, but I think it is disgusting and should be abolished. I am being serious, I can NOT stand people who push gay agendas or even say they are. I just can't hold them up to the same moral light...

Ok. I just have a problem with it. I may be the only one, and it is not PC, but I am a homophobe. I just am. I can't change what I see, homosexuality bother me to no end, if some one is gay, and I know, I just can't talk to them, it is incredably awkward for me.

Why do they have gay bars and such? Why not go to heterosexual clubs? Why? Because they are scared? Maybe. Why should they have a subculture unless they are not accepted. Drug culture: not accepted. Goth culture: not accepted. Emo: not accepted. Most cultures that have their own ways of dressing and acting are not accepted. They should not exist, they should not beleive in what they stand for. What do gays stand for? What do goths and emos and drugs stand for? Socially destructive things. Things that destroy nations. May be extreme for goth and emo, but gays and druggies destroy.

I know you think I am wrong, but these are what I think. I am not going to edit what I think, I am being honest.

What have gay people ever done to you? I guess maybe you were brought up in a homophobic community or town, but don't you think it's childish and immature to rail against someone because of something they were born with? And yes, they're born with it.

What exactly have gay people destroyed? I can't seem to find anything. All the gay community has ever done is ask for acceptance, that's all they stand for. To be treated as something more than second class citizens with a different, lesser set of rights. And no it's not the same as goths or emo. Being gay isn't a fashion statement, unless you consider being assaulted, bigoted against and hated just for being who you are to be a fashion statement.

The reason there are gay bars isn't because gay people are scared, there are plenty of bars that cater to different kinds of people and if you're really a homophobe I would assume that you would prefer they stick to their own bars than have gay guys mistaking your sexuality and hitting on you. Gay guys go to regular bars, I know plenty that will go down to a pub for a drink or three, people you would never even suspect of being gay. But let's face it, plenty of people gay and straight go to bars to hook up, and it's easier to do that if you are confident the person you're approaching is of a compatible sexual orientation.

I respect your right to your opinions, but I think they're wrong. And you'll certainly think mine are wrong too, and that's allright. I just think you're being unfair to gay people, who haven't done anything to you but whom you attack through your bigotry. Why try and stomp out the few existing rights of people who don't affect you in the slightest?

 

[Darkdawn]

And I don't really see how porn an issue.

It's an issue when someone thinks about it WAY too much.

 

[Aschenkatza]

i understand, but the fact that some gays even claim to have been born that way means that there are many gays who weren't and became that way. all i'm saying is that since the mind of a small child is must more malleable and shapeable, they MAY end up being another "became that way because of my surroundings" gay person

We'll agree to disagree then. I see what you mean and agree at an extent that this situation could arise, but in general it is unlikely.
However, one way we could regulate such an occurrence is to broaden the knowledge about homosexuality so that it is taught openly in schools. That way even if someone became homosexual because of surroundings then it wouldn't be an issue. After all, how much of a homosexual relationship is different from a heterosexual one? In the end, it is mainly just having sex differently from vaginal intercourse.

 

[Darkdawn]

Romans 1:23-27
23;And [Mankind] changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24;Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25;Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26; For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27;And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
(KJV)

A desire to Go taboo is the reason for Gay's and lesbians, Man's lust for sin seem's to be a sick and insatable one.

So people, what have we learned?
We learned that when people can't come up with a good excuse, they quote religious BS.

 

[Aschenkatza]

The fact that childern grow up with two parents of the same sex is not natural and I don't mean that in a whole "gays are bad and should be burned way". I mean think about it, anything from our food, to our enviorment that isn't natural is killing us... It gives us cancer, makes us fat and slow and turns us into idiots. While I don't think having two parrents of the same sex will give a kid cancer(although with cancer you never know) but neither do I believe that it is as Physiologically healthy as having parrents who are a male and a female. And for the tests and stastics we simply don't have a large enough sample to make an acurate measurment nor the long term affects.

Homosexuality is perfectly natural. It has been documented in almost every species of mammal.

I agree with it being natural (after all, who would choose to be gay given all the discrimination?), but do you have a source for that? I've never heard that, and it would be interesting if it were true.

Bonobos.

Wiki them.

ALSO,
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718
'1,500 animal species practice homosexuality'