Poll: Gay Marriage

[Thaius]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

 

[Ninja_X]

Am I the only one that is looking forward to getting married for love?

I am! Though I am waiting until I am financially secure before actively searching for a life-long mate.

Not me I wanna meet my soul mate now XD

Cause I am still young and can get away with stupid unrealistic dreams like that.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

wow, i'm impressed, total rejection of marrige actually rates higher than anti-gay views.
Huzzah for equality

Huzzah!

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

 

[Ninja_X]

wow, i'm impressed, total rejection of marrige actually rates higher than anti-gay views.
Huzzah for equality

Huzzah!

umm yay..........for the fact that we are tolerant......?

I want to get married thank you very much.

 

[MatumbeJack]

Don't care about gay people or their problems

The whole point of marriage is to have children so you can pass the best genes to the next generation.

I think your mistaking 'marriage' with 'Darwinian evolution.'

Honest mistake.

No

Marriage is just a tool to have children

Our Children will remember us and keep our family name alive. This proves we existed in this world without this majority of us will fade with time.

Gays cannot have children adopting children could work but unfortunately their genes do not belong to them so they can never claim full rights that this is their legacy. Without transferring your own DNA to the future will the next generation remember you? Will History remember you?

... Okay.
There are married couples who are unable to have their own children, yet their marriage is never discounted as any less legitimate than a couple with more 'fecundity points.' Marriage does not constitute an agreement to have children, and there are married couples without them.

The 'tool to have children' you're talking about? There are two of them. They are called 'penis,' and 'vagina,' respectively.

The rest of your post is.. Quite frankly, irrelevant. Marriage has nothing to do with the passage of genes, persisting through the span of history, or somehow weathering the passage of time.

 

[Thaius]

HA!

Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at this. Someone posted this link a while back to prove that homosexuality is inherited biologically.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/homosexuality-linked-to-genes-ethical-dilemmas-loom-as-genetic-study-of-gays-families-suggests-predisposition-is-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

Found in that article was this excerpt: "Scientists have found the first hard evidence of a genetic basis for homosexuality. They believe they will be able IN A FEW YEARS to isolate a 'gay gene' that men inherit from their mothers (emphasis added)."

This article was written in 1993. And the "gay gene" has not yet been found.

Wonder what that means...

 

[Ninja_X]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

I cannot stand the religious argument against this.

Its just stupid Christians trying to force their religion down our thoughts......wait......IRONY!!!!!!!!!

XD XD XD

I just noticed a gay joke there.

 

[MatumbeJack]

HA!

Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at this. Someone posted this link a while back to prove that homosexuality is inherited biologically.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/homosexuality-linked-to-genes-ethical-dilemmas-loom-as-genetic-study-of-gays-families-suggests-predisposition-is-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

Found in that article was this excerpt: "Scientists have found the first hard evidence of a genetic basis for homosexuality. They believe they will be able IN A FEW YEARS to isolate a 'gay gene' that men inherit from their mothers (emphasis added)."

This article was written in 1993. And the "gay gene" has not yet been found.

Wonder what that means...

That they're still working on it?

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

As a christian I'm sure you're familiar with the mantra.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

I cannot stand the religious argument against this.

Its just stupid Christians trying to force their religion down our thoughts......wait......IRONY!!!!!!!!!

XD XD XD

I just noticed a gay joke there.

Hahaha a gay joke!

Anyway, no one here seems to be being particularly impolite about their opinions. There are Christians here expressing their opinions but you and me are expressing ours as well. Everyone has the right to politely express their opinion.

 

[Jindrak]

I'm no expert on human biology or psychology

but nothing I've read/heard/watched has even begun to convince me that people are born gay.

In fact, I know/have known a few gay people who told me it was their choice. But I reiterate, I'm no expert in this particular field so my opinion doesn't carry much weight.

1. Really, I wouldn't have guessed.

2. You're really going to make me spam articles? Sigh.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/gay.to.straight/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n3_v144/ai_14132512/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3735668.stm
This last one irritates me, but it does back up my stance.
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1968&Itemid=120
I managed those with three minutes of looking through my old sources.

3. I know of ~8 million people with differing viewpoints.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

wow, i'm impressed, total rejection of marrige actually rates higher than anti-gay views.
Huzzah for equality

Huzzah!

umm yay..........for the fact that we are tolerant......?

I want to get married thank you very much.

I want to find someone worth spending the rest of my life with. Hopefully marry them.

 

[Thaius]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

Well there is a difference in reasons. Fundamentalists (though admittedly I haven't met many Christians who give that much respect to Levitical Law: that is a trait of Judaism, which is definitely not the same thing) could base it off that passage in Leviticus. Most Christians that I know, including me, base the view against homosexuality (which I must stress again is not against homosexuals themselves, only the lifestyle) on the idea that God obviously designed things to work in a certain way (supported by passages that say things about how the very nature of creation points to God and works according to his design). Breaking God's design is usually referred to in Christianity as "sin."

Another disclaimer: we don't need a religious debate here, so please refrain from making comments about the credibility of Christianity itself and stay on topic. Sorry for saying this so often, but in my forum experience it is necessary.

 

[Finebrew]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

Well there is a difference in reasons. Fundamentalists (though admittedly I haven't met many Christians who give that much respect to Levitical Law: that is a trait of Judaism, which is definitely not the same thing) could base it off that passage in Leviticus. Most Christians that I know, including me, base the view against homosexuality (which I must stress again is not against homosexuals themselves, only the lifestyle) on the idea that God obviously designed things to work in a certain way (supported by passages that say things about how the very nature of creation points to God and works according to his design). Breaking God's design is usually referred to in Christianity as "sin."

Another disclaimer: we don't need a religious debate here, so please refrain from making comments about the credibility of Christianity itself and stay on topic. Sorry for saying this so often, but in my forum experience it is necessary.

Thank you for enlightening me on that reason for opposing homosexuality. I still am pro-gay, but I hadn't heard that detail or whatever before. Interesting.

 

[Ninja_X]

So it IS a mutation, disease if you will. Think of the word "incorrectly" apply it to biological processes and then think of the words disease and mutation. Totally cool with that. But it would be unfair if gay people go to the XMEN academy free of charge. On a more serious note people who are against Gayness would have a mightily strong argument to "fixing" or "Curing" as we (humans) do with any other mutation/disorder that is curable. I personally see it as an option.. if you have a kid and s/he is found to be gay you have the option in correcting that in the fetus just like you would blindness when the technology is available, and then who amongst straight parents would not "cure" that? And since 99% of babies are born to straight parents we can see where that would lead...

Then there is the alternative of gayness being a choice which I see nothing wrong with. Choices like that are personal and as long as you aren't in denial about your choice and have to guts to stand by it all is cool.

Though I'm not sure if mutation is the right word, the first theory is correct. The main concern with the new discoveries into homosexuality being inborn is that early tests for homosexuality would be developed which could lead to people aborting children that would grow up to be gay.

Hm, I wonder where Christians would stand on that issue.

Surely all hell would break loose as fundamentalists battle out whether aborting gay babies is murder- since a homosexual "surely he will die" according to Leviticus.

FOr the record, though, the laws of Leviticus don't hold much sway for Christians. As Christians believe, those old laws were replaced with the New Covenant when Jesus died on the cross as a sacrifice for humankind's sins. Levitical Law means little to Christianity, besides some of the basic ideas it sets forth.

Some of the more extreme fundamentalists take it VERY seriously. However, I think most Christians don't hold Levitical law in very high regard. My best friend is a Christian very much for gay rights.

I cannot stand the religious argument against this.

Its just stupid Christians trying to force their religion down our thoughts......wait......IRONY!!!!!!!!!

XD XD XD

I just noticed a gay joke there.

Hahaha a gay joke!

Anyway, no one here seems to be being particularly impolite about their opinions. There are Christians here expressing their opinions but you and me are expressing ours as well. Everyone has the right to politely express their opinion.

Oh no, this thread is great don't get me wrong.

I was talking about mainstream media(you know who I mean) the kind of religious weirdos who think that just because its against their religion it should apply to the whole country. They alwase somehow end up on the news.

Grrrr keep it to yourself Father.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It should be legal. A bunch of people cry "defense of marriage" but what 2 totaly differant people want to do doesnt affect me.

Exactly

 

[Thaius]

HA!

Sorry, couldn't help but laugh at this. Someone posted this link a while back to prove that homosexuality is inherited biologically.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/homosexuality-linked-to-genes-ethical-dilemmas-loom-as-genetic-study-of-gays-families-suggests-predisposition-is-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

Found in that article was this excerpt: "Scientists have found the first hard evidence of a genetic basis for homosexuality. They believe they will be able IN A FEW YEARS to isolate a 'gay gene' that men inherit from their mothers (emphasis added)."

This article was written in 1993. And the "gay gene" has not yet been found.

Wonder what that means...

That they're still working on it?

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

As a christian I'm sure you're familiar with the mantra.

I know: and I agree. The only thing being that, with spiritual matters, it makes sense to a degree. Of course there comes a point where things should be provable, but with matters beyond the physical world, not all of it will be right in front of us: that just makes sense. Science, on the other hand, leaves no excuse for that. Science has no excuse for the absence of knowledge, since it claims to be able to explain everything naturally. Sure, time is needed, but it's been a long time since they've been close to finding something that, theoretically, should be right there if there's any credibility to the theory.

 

[Sweep117]

I'm no expert on human biology or psychology

but nothing I've read/heard/watched has even begun to convince me that people are born gay.

In fact, I know/have known a few gay people who told me it was their choice. But I reiterate, I'm no expert in this particular field so my opinion doesn't carry much weight.

1. Really, I wouldn't have guessed.

2. You're really going to make me spam articles? Sigh.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/01/homosexuality-genetics-usa
http://www.skeptictank.org/gaygene.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/05/gay.to.straight/
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n3_v144/ai_14132512/
This last one irritates me, but it does back up my stance.
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1968&Itemid=120
I managed those with three minutes of looking through my old sources.

3. I know of ~8 million people with differing viewpoints.

Hmmm... Someone said something along these lines already...

I'm no expert in this particular field so my opinion doesn't carry much weight.

Oh yeah! That guy!