Poll: Glenn Beck has hitler tourette's

[AmayaOnnaOtaku]

Glenn beck is a waste of flesh

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Glenn Beck is a genius in the fact that he is using commonsense to show how we will lose our freedoms if we don't stand up to the socialist agenda and show them that they can't tell us what to do.

We are Americans, we are free. We don't answer to the government, the government is to answer to us.

The problem that people have with Beck, is that they can't refute what he says because he has the facts on his side.

I really hope what you just said was suppose to be satire.

If not, then I'm so glad I'm moving to Norway here soon so I can get away from people like you.

Truthfully, that is actually one of the best dreams I have ever had. In my dream, all the socialists and progressives moved to other countries, because they came to the realization they were in a minority and couldn't bring about control on people like me, people that want to keep their individual freedoms and want to have a say in how their money is spent. I actually cried when I woke up and realized that it was a dream.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Glenn Beck is a genius in the fact that he is using commonsense to show how we will lose our freedoms if we don't stand up to the socialist agenda and show them that they can't tell us what to do.

We are Americans, we are free. We don't answer to the government, the government is to answer to us.

The problem that people have with Beck, is that they can't refute what he says because he has the facts on his side.

Lol you almost got me, but your troll attempt was a little too obvious.

No troll here, I was being serious.

 

[jakeEHTlovless]

holy crap!!!! this thread went farther than what i though it would... and srry guys for not commenting in this thread much, i kinda ruined my freinds dirtbike, and well, i have been having a shitty day.

 

[Roxas1359]

I have seen the video and it is true that he does try to compare things to the Nazis and Hitler quite often. Now as for the Poll's question; I don't think he is a moron, but he is a tad misinformed and is able to play on people's fears to try and convince him that x is evil/Hitler spawn. But then again the thing about today's politics that I don't like is the fact that both sides are simply mud slinging each other to try and make their political opponents seem like they are going to personally go into your home and kick your dog or something. That is one of the reasons on why I'm going to be moving to England when I'm old enough, well that and also a lot of my family lives there.

 

[arcticphoenix95]

sonic doctor look at the word "progress" it means to improve, to make better. now think of a "progressive" and what do you think it would mean? exactly.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I think he can since what this government is already halfway down the track towards is socialist totalitarianism.

You honestly just said that? Either your trolling or you have no idea what socialism is. Obama has passed 1 vaguely socalist piece of legistration, making healthcare more acessable. Here in england we have had the NHS for almost a century now, a national health service for all regardless of wealth, wouldn't that make us socalist too?

The soviet russia was a totalitarian socialist state, and america doesn not resemble it in the slightest.

America is on that path. Totalitarianism is when one person or a group of people control the government and use their powers to control and dictate the lives of the population. Socialism is an idea and form of government where the government controls and "takes care" of its people. The economic freedoms of the individual are taken away and the benefits that the individual would have gained from those economic freedoms(i.e. Money) are given to the the many. The freedom that individuals have to run their businesses and industries will be taken away by the government because the government believes that individuals' businesses shouldn't mainly benefit the owner but instead the population of the many. Because a socialist government has to eventually take away those economic freedoms, that makes the inevitable fact that in the long run, a socialist government will become a totalitarian government. It is commonsense.

 

[Theseus32]

Now, now. Go easy on Flamebait McCrazyperson. He's the symptom of a much larger problem. I believe that with extensive reeducation, possibly electroshock, possibly hypnotherapy, he may well be able to become a functional 24 year old again.

However Spin Doctor, as an upper middle class white American insurance executive there are a few things I really am forced to take you to task on.

There is also the point that depending on the situation, people have to accept lot they were dealt in life. This mentality that people deserve more than basic Constitutional rights, has to stop.

Ok. Problem #1. (I'm enumerating them to help me keep track)
Think back. I mean way back to grade school. There may have been a moment where a beloved teacher uttered the immortal phrase "The great part about this country is that ANYONE could grow up to be president!" Do you remember that? I do. This was not, is not, and god willing NEVER will be a country content with accepting its lot in life. It's called the American dream[tm]. The idea that you can rise from poverty to riches. The idea that no matter how low your station, with hard work, grit, and dedication you can rise up and be a success. It's the entire god damned POINT of our country.

The system has already been thrown off balance with this whole government health care crap. Yes the private sector health care has problems, but as I have said before on other threads, what the government is doing by making people pay for other peoples' health care, is forced charity.

Problem #2
Ok, this one pisses me off a lil. Since you clearly know buggerall about health care or health care reform, allow me a moment to educate you. The government is not paying for other peoples' health care. I would like to repeat that. THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES' HEALTH CARE. Effectively the only thing the bill does in its current state is make sure that major medical companies like the one I work for can't deny people coverage who need it. In addition it also forces policies to cover children. At no cost to you or the insurance company! All kids with health care! Nifty huh? The other thing is it'll require jobs to offer health care. And before you get a Beck sized hard-on about that killing small business, as someone who actually SELLS THESE POLICIES FOR A LIVING, they're nothing any remotely successful business can't afford. We're talking a couple hundred a week to cover about a half dozen people, depending on deductibles and co pays and... screw it. Point is, nobody's going bankrupt over it. And if you're not remotely successful, well there's your bloody free market. World needs ditch diggers too.

Oh, and there'll be the guys in army boots kicking down your door to kill your grandma, but screw it, she's old.

Oh also, this whole plan is actually going to cost the federal government a few billion FEWER dollars a year than they're spending now. I'd explain how that works, and I'm willing to, but methinks until deprogramming is complete, thine head would explode.

And the charity idea just really demonstrates a total and utter lack of understanding about how the insurance and pharmaceutical industries work. 'Sides, I'm the one needing tax shelters, not you. Incidentally, since you're looking for work, you should consider becoming a Fox TV pundit. Apparently they'll hire anyone.

To end this, the whole Progressive Era, the progressives where the worst thing to happen to this country. Progressives are destroying the rightful freedoms that were set up by our great Founding Fathers.

Problem #3
Here's a little mind bender for you. Which freedoms were those again? 'cuse the version of the constitution that I have doesn't have any listed. You're thinking the bill of rights which came later. I can understand the confusion though, most of em were overturned by the patriot act. Incidentally I double dog DARE you to name 10 of the "great founding fathers" without using the internet. And out of utter morbid curiosity, just what is it you think that the progressives did exactly again? Again, no google. Just get the hate rant out of your system without bothering to back it up with evidence. After all, that's the president.

I really shouldn't respond because you don't even know what fascism is. Any form of government can be fascist. Read your history, Hitler was big on social programs. Fascism is control, it is neither left nor right wing.

Problem #4

Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, is a radical right-wing and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation on corporatist perspectives, values, and systems such as the political system and the economy. Fascism was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but gravitated to the political right in the early 1920s. Scholars generally consider fascism to be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.

Again, notice the part about fascism being to the far right? Just like Nazism? Not unusual considering that fascism was the Italian version of Nazism under Mussolini. It's a frigging Italian word for chrissakes. If you're still missing the point, the whole of world war 2 was us AGAINST RADICAL RIGHT WINGERS. And EVERYTHING backs the evidence on that. Again, am I saying that conservatives are Nazis? No. I'm saying the Nazis were conservative. Big difference.

The whole basic idea of socialism is take away from the individual to give to the many.

Problem #5
No. No it is not.

A more comprehensive definition of socialism is an economic system that directly maximizes use-values as opposed to exchange-values and has transcended commodity production and wage labour, along with a corresponding set of social and economic relations, including the organization of economic institutions, the method of resource allocation and post-monetary calculation based on some physical magnitude; often implying a method of compensation based on individual merit, the amount of labour expended or individual contribution.

In short, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. Who knew Spock was a frigging red eh? The shirt really should have tipped us off.

The upshot is it basically says that abusing the shit out of your workers for your own individual gain might not be the best thing for society as a whole. Now I'm a pinko liberal commie, but still think about it. Damned near EVERY SINGLE ADVANCE IN THE WHOLE OF HUMAN HISTORY WAS BASED ON COLLECTIVE EFFORT. The industrial revolution? Socialist. The Roman Empire? Socialist. Britian? Socialist. Know why? Because if humanity hadn't ever banded together to form stronger groups we'd all still be living in individual huts beating each other to death with clubs. Socialism pretty frigging much = civilization if you're casting the net that wide.

Now don't get me wrong, Russia jumped the shark early on and frankly Stalin could have taught Hitler LESSONS about genocide. That's not the fault of the ideology, that's the fault of douche bags in government.

If people want to keep their extra money and profits for themselves, then they can, because they earned it, nobody else.

Ding ding ding!!! You got one! You're right! People should be able to keep the money they earn with their own blood sweat and tears! But....

Problem#6
That's the exact same god damned thing that Karl Marx said. One of the founders of the socialist party. Oops.

By definition, socialism takes away freedoms. It definition doesn't say it outright...

Problem #7
Then that's not the sodding definition of it.
See above.

but a socialist government has to kill many individual freedoms in order to take care of the many. Mainly because their are many people like me that believe that nobody else deserves what I worked for, I earn the money (when I have a job) and it is my money. In order for the government to get money to yada yada yada...

Problem #8

Look. I get it. I totally understand your point. The problem is that YOU DON'T. You're 24 and unemployed. All of this, every blasted one of these programs is designed BY THEIR VERY NATURE to help people EXACTLY LIKE YOU. I had to pay more in taxes this year than you probably made. And ya know what? I'm ok with that! Tell you what. You can use your taxes for military defense, because lord knows the commies are gonna be invading ANY DAY NOW. In exchange for that, how about you give up your unemployment check, your low income housing, your use of the highways, schools, police and fire departments. I mean if defense is your only priority... Just understand that a good chunk of that is going to keep up the national helium reserve in case we need to build a zeppelin armada to fend off the third Reich's blitzkrieg. And no, I'm not making that shit up.

A brief history lesson on social programs from Britain. For you tea drinkers in the audience, you can sit this one out since most of you actually studied history, but clearly the good doctor did not. (And if I mess anything up, feel free to correct me here, college was a few years ago)

See round about the time James Watt was stealing the idea for the steam engine, a little filly by the name of Victoria took the throne of England. Now I could go on for HOURS about the dowager queen, but I'll keep it brief. She married a dude named Albert, had a buncha kids and died.

...

OK, that was too short. Little longer then. Victoria pretty much kick started the second British empire. She did this because Albert, who was a pretty hep cat for the time, had some crazy ideas about improving life for the subjects. That, thanks to a succession of really rather decent prime ministers (Some of whom were imperialistic bastards, but hell, no one's perfect) set up a series of social programmes (the e was for the brits listening. You know who you are) to kick start a burgeoning middle class. All of a sudden, poor lower classes got them some edumacation and started inventing shit. And this made everyone a flaming buttload of cash. That combined with India made England filthy rich, and they lived happily ever after... Well until some poncy duke got shot, but that's another story.

There are similar stories for the Roman empire and china during periods and well... pretty much every single successful civilization EVER. So saying progressives = socialists = teh debil... is frankly kinda retarded considering that pretty much every major advance in human technology was founded BECAUSE of them.

So sonic... seriously here. Really REALLY give this last bit some thought. Do you have health care? Do you have a 401k? Do you have a pension? 'cuse if not... All of this, all of it, is there to benefit You. And I mean you specifically. Just take one sec before you go back to your rabid soundbite-esque defense of conservatives and really ask yourself. How in gods name are they going to help you when the last thing they want is for you to succeed?

 

[Theseus32]

I'll give you this doc, I'm inclined to agree about the universities. I'm the unholy redneck spawn of two English professors. However again, you need to remember that the original function of the first Academy, founded by Aristotle, was to educate anyone who wanted to learn. If you just want to learn a career, that's what trade schools are for. If you genuinely want to expand your horizons and be exposed to new ideas, that's what college is for. If I might make a suggestion, take world and US history for a semester. You'd be bloody amazed.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

sonic doctor look at the word "progress" it means to improve, to make better. now think of a "progressive" and what do you think it would mean? exactly.

Lol, progress doesn't mean improvement. It means to move forward. Over the years, linguistically, it has been twisted to mean to improve. Their is good progress and their is bad progress. What the progressives strive for is progress in the wrong direction. Social progressives want to progress to the point where the government controls the people and individual freedoms don't exist. A socialist government can't control people, if the people have the freedom to live how they want and have a voice in what the government controls. As the preamble of the Constitution says, "It is a government of the people, by the people, for the people." It is not a government of the government, by the government, to control and "take care" of the people.

 

[Theseus32]

No, no it doesn't. That's the Gettysburg address.

The preamble says... We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

 

[Theseus32]

I mean seriously. It's like you're not even trying Sonic. Jesus.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I'll give you this doc, I'm inclined to agree about the universities. I'm the unholy redneck spawn of two English professors. However again, you need to remember that the original function of the first Academy, founded by Aristotle, was to educate anyone who wanted to learn. If you just want to learn a career, that's what trade schools are for. If you genuinely want to expand your horizons and be exposed to new ideas, that's what college is for. If I might make a suggestion, take world and US history for a semester. You'd be bloody amazed.

I took world history in high school, plus history is a requirement in college, and I took U.S. History. Besides, just because something is written in a history book, doesn't make it true. People that right history books have political agendas like everybody else, so they can skew facts, even to the point of lying.

My point was that grade schools are for basics and slight refinement. Colleges and universities are to be for just refinement, because there is no point for students to take classes that aren't in their major, unless they are also minoring in a subject. Besides, their aren't proper trade schools for English majors, and I know people that have went to trade schools, the idiotic core curriculum is in those schools as well.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

No, no it doesn't. That's the Gettysburg address.

The preamble says... We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Read the whole Constitution. And, history much? Lincoln took that from the Constitution, because he was making a point as a reminder to people that the government isn't suppose to be controlled by a select few or one group of people, but instead it is to be controlled by the people.

 

[Theseus32]

Yeah, clearly you did a bang up job in that US history class. *golfclap*

And just because something in a history book is written doesn't make it true. Which is why there's an entire goddamn section in the BACK of those books listing their source material, which ideally comes from records kept by the individuals themselves. So before you call someone who's spent a few decades studying something passionately a liar, if you're REALLY that worried about it, check their sources. Checking sources is something I think you need to do a lot more of.

 

[ragestreet]

I love this. Its like watching a cockroach try and fight Kratos.

 

[Theseus32]

And which article and section of the constitution was that in again? 'Cuse I have it right in front of me and darned if I can find the sucker.

 

[arcticphoenix95]

No, no it doesn't. That's the Gettysburg address.

The preamble says... We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

thanks. and sonic the needs of the many FAR, FAR outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

 

[Jennacide]

God I love Lewis Black. Who could of possibly concieved the he'd have a problem with Glenn Beck, lord of the idiots? Oh, right, anyone with a functioning brain.

Seriously, Glenn Beck is about the closest thing to a real life Devil you'll ever get.