Poll: Glenn Beck has hitler tourette's

[jboking]

You do realize that your generalizations(this post and the one previous to it) do not represent all republicans don't you? Hell, do you know it doesn't represent most republicans. You're looking towards a minority for you opinion. That's generalizing and stereotyping. Hell, in this case it's even demonizing, which is akin to dehumanization. You know who practiced a lot of dehumanization. Hitler. You. Are. Hitler. (for god sake tell me you got the point of that).

If we're gonna go full Godwin's Law here, I could rebut that Hitler at most got 50% of German votes during free elections, and that therfore, "nazi Germany" is itself a generalisation.

You are as good or bad as your loudest voice, because that is what people hear. When your loudest voices are Abraham Lincoln or Ronald Reagan, that's one thing. But ask anybody who comes to mind first when they think "republicans today". Do you really think that people's minds will first turn to Justice Alito, smart, responsible politicians like Scott Brown, or hard working Americans, or will the jackass bench of Palin, Limbaugh and Beck come up?

That is one dangerous ideology. This would mean that even if the person speaking represents a small minority of the entire parties interests, they still get to decide what the parties interests are. Which means we can apply the same lines of logic to liberal talk show hosts.

so...Is this the voice of the democratic party? I really, really hope not.

If you doubt that a great many people now equate those two things, you are delusional. The thing is, I WANT to respect the GOP. But as long as its adherents do not realise that every word out of Glenn Beck's mouth makes ALL of them look ridiculous, that is not going to happen.

Once again, you can find plenty of republicans that know Beck's words are nothing but bullshit.

Past administrations mistakes that have been fixed. I do have to ask though, where does your definition of civilized come from? Somewhere worth linking to? Or should that have been prefaced with "IMHO"

Dostoevsky. And the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Those quote-worthy enough for you, or do you want me to find a Rush Limbaugh sound-bite on the matter?

Oh, wait, he ENDORSED torturing brown people.

Fair enough, but I was asking for a link. So I could read it too. Also, I'm not actually a republican, so I'm not really interested in what Limbaugh has to say. I just found you vehemently annoying, so I couldn't keep from responding(your last assumption about me being a republican supports my belief).

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Your out of control. I know for a FACT that 99.5% of people that go to rallies, more specifically Tea Parties, that these people are much like me. I know better, they know better. I know how to filter what I hear as fact. They know how to filter what they hear as fact. Yes there is that one asshole who seems to be loud as shit who actually thinks Obama is all of the above. How do I know? I'm active, I go to these places, I talk to people. Do you know any republicans on a personal level? Have you met thousands in different parts of the country and talked to them face to face? Sorry, I have.

The right may have the "controversial" people you listed. But what about Bill Maher? What about Olbermann? What about Chris Matthews? And most of Hollywood? There are plenty of actors/actresses that are clearly stupid as a brick, yet they follow the left side.

And opinion on what makes nations civilized is completely obsure, and if you go by that logic, name a few civilized countries. And if you can, say if they are currently engaged in a armed conflict of some sort.

Interesting. So you have spoken to 99.5% of all tea baggers? Impressive. Because last I checked, Sarah Palin is a frequent speaker at those rallies, and I have yet to see her get booed off the stage once.

As for knowing them, you bet I do. My uncle's a republican. So are many close friends of my family. And you know what? They all have the decency to be fucking embarrassed at what their once great party became once Dubya opened the doors to the Bible thumpers.

The thing is, I guess that many other republicans share this sentiment. But it's like this: imagine that a family lives across the street from you. Mom and dad are decent, hard working people. But two of their children are loud-mouthed, obnoxious retards who shit in your garden. Now, how are you going to think of them? As the basically decent So-and-so's, or the family with the arsehole kids who shit in your front yard?

Exactly.

If you actually watched and listened to what Palin has to say, you would know she isn't a idiot like most of the left want you to believe.

Yes most conservatives are religious, most. This is wear I differ from them. I'm fairly agnostic, almost atheist. I'm open to believe in a higher power but eh, I don't right now. And religious activists have been mostly conservative and republican for longer than "Dubya" has been know to the general public. He didn't change that at all. It's more of the product of the times. People have let go of religion in the last 30 years, but the people more inclined to lose the religion have just happen to be on the left. But at the same time there is still a pretty good amount of republicans like me, who are agnostic or atheist.

I know that people judge by the loudest voice. But you pride yourself on being smarter than most, don't you, this is by your logic of course? Shouldn't you be smart enough to realize that the louder minority is just that, the minority? And since your so smart, you realize that's the case so you look into it to see if it really is the minority. Well, whatever.

EDIT: And that 99.5% is a bit of an exaggeration, but your so smart you might have known that already. Oh wait... of course you did.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This is ridiculous.

Quite. I was exaggerating so you could see my take on what you seem to be saying.

You know exactly what I'm talking about yet your being incredibly critical.

I really don't.

My original post, the one where you quoted and used the word "Wow" multiple times, was explaining why Beck uses the words Hitler and Nazi.

OK...OP usually refers to original poster, the guy at the top of the epiletic tree.

Because Nazism is a socialist ideology.

Despite being far right versus far left. And it's a socialist dictatorship. There's really a major difference there.

The current administration (there's a reason I keep using this term, I'm not singling out Obama) has passed, and wants to pass socialist styled bills.

Yeah, like the previous administration, made up of very similar people, wanted to pass non-socialist bills...and some socialist ones.

Who is the most known Nazi in the world? Hitler.

I'll have to give you that one.

Hence why he, as in Glenn Beck, keeps referring to Hitler and Nazism. Glenn Beck doesn't like socialism. He believes it has no place in America.

So he's a bigot?[Defn: A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.] That's cryptofascism. And that's a LOT closer to Nazism than Socialism is.

Am I clear?

That you believe Beck to hate Socialism, and wrongly attriubtes it to Nazism, thus polluting the definition so much that he borders on his own definition of Hitler? Unfortunately so.

TBC

Socialism is a political philosophy that encompasses various theories of economic organization based on either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources.

Nazism, however, rejected class conflict-based socialism and economic egalitarianism, favouring instead a stratified economy with classes based on merit and talent, retaining private property, and the creation of national solidarity that transcends class distinction.

Glenn Beck, however, is a recovering alcoholic that believes abortion is murder, yet supports individual gun ownership. He has also called the President a racist and never apologised. He also equates Communism with Nazism, despite the two ideologies being, again, entirely separate.

But I'll leave the final word to him.

"I could give a flying crap about the political process,"

 

[Hyper-space]

I would just like to say that the segment last night was brilliant. It had me laughing because it was so true, and it also reminded me of Godwin's Law so much. Also, yes, Glenn Beck is a madman.

I would like to mention this though. This segment has been called brilliant by me. Some people called Hitler brilliant. Therefore... *gasp* Lewis Black is Hitler!

i think you have uncovered a wonderful conspiricy... hmmm, a jewish hilter, i wonder how that would go down??

Well, Hitler was a little Jewish, wasn't he? Like one eighth or something?

If I may quote a brilliant line from one of Lewis Black's comedy specials:

The Republicans have bad ideas, and the Democrats have no ideas.

Democrats have ideas, just no balls to actually put those ideas through.

spot motherf*cking on.

it doesn't matter if they managed to get a super-majority, they still could not pass ANYTHING, out of fear of being called a socialists or some shit like that.

 

[pirateninj4]

damn that was hilarious, glen beck is such a fucken cry baby chump

Amen.

I watched Lewis Black's segment and I totally approve. That man is a rabid fearmonger. If only him and Limbaugh and all the other extreme left and right wing media putz's would take a swim in the atlantic.

 

[Hyper-space]

Once again, you can find plenty of republicans that know Beck's words are nothing but bullshit.

too bad none of those people happen to be in the senate.

 

[johnman]

I think he can since what this government is already halfway down the track towards is socialist totalitarianism.

You honestly just said that? Either your trolling or you have no idea what socialism is. Obama has passed 1 vaguely socalist piece of legistration, making healthcare more acessable. Here in england we have had the NHS for almost a century now, a national health service for all regardless of wealth, wouldn't that make us socalist too?

The soviet russia was a totalitarian socialist state, and america doesn not resemble it in the slightest.

 

[dietpeachsnapple]

I am happy that comedy central has such avid free advertisement.

 

[Haagrum]

I am happy that comedy central has such avid free advertisement.

The saddest part is that the Comedy Channel is the loudest voice actually challenging any of this garbage masquerading as "political analysis", on the left or the right.

 

[akwardwhistle]

Glenn Beck is a genius in the fact that he is using commonsense to show how we will lose our freedoms if we don't stand up to the socialist agenda and show them that they can't tell us what to do.

We are Americans, we are free. We don't answer to the government, the government is to answer to us.

The problem that people have with Beck, is that they can't refute what he says because he has the facts on his side.

Believe me, i get all of what your saying, but still, you have to see that he cant just slap hitler and nazi in front of everything that is bad, can he?

I think he can since what this government is already halfway down the track towards is socialist totalitarianism. What the socialists and progressives in our government want to do is to tell us exactly what we should do. They are forcing the private sector into government control, health care for example. Eventually the private sector health insurance will be gone and the government will have the monopoly and will tell us what we can and can not do. "We won't insure you because you want to actually have life and eat what you want." I mean come on, they already want to impose higher and higher taxes on soda and juice and other things that "Are not good for our health."
Oh and should I mention that Obama wants to make community service mandatory for high school graduation. That is forcing people to do something against their. If that happens, then when I have kids they will be home schooled. I will be the parent and if my kids don't want to do community service then they don't have too. Community service is for people that actually have the time to help other people and for people that are criminals that are being made to do the service as punishment.

Its like community service is a bad thing! Oh no my child is helping out the elderly and cleaning up the streets! How could those sick government bastards do this! [/sarcasm]

 

[Xanadu84]

I normally play devils advocate. Even when I disagree with someone like Glen Beck, I usually think that the person is simply wrong, and their hypothesis is likely well supported and believable, simply missing key components. I normally believe that, if looking from the right context, even the crazy person makes sense. But Glen Beck...he stretched that ability. And its hard, very hard, not to just sum up with, "He is a moron".

 

[Lucifron]

I know for a FACT that 99.5% of people that go to rallies, more specifically Tea Parties, that these people are much like me. I know better, they know better. I know how to filter what I hear as fact.

No, you do not. You hear only what you wish to hear. You, like the absolute majority of all Americans, couldn't tell socialism from your asshole if your very life depended on it.

What does NAZI stand for, National Socialism. What is the current (and select few in the past) administration doing? Nationalizing the private sector. Nationalizing is Socialism plain and simple.

Here you are confusing several concepts and reaching a fallacious conclusion. Didn't the teabaggers tell you to do your homework before assaulting the healthcare bill or the current administation?
That was a rhetorical question: of course they fucking didn't. Nationalization of certain facets of society is a concept which occurs in basically all ideologies. The difference is what facets and how many.* Given your despise of what you would like to call socialism, I suppose you are a big detractor of America's law-enforcement, armed forces and fire-departments, right? Teabaggers and Republicans love to flaunt how patriotic they are, and how the US is the greatest nation in the world, and how much they care for their fellow Americans, and (many if not most) how Christian and loving they are, but when push comes to shove and they are asked to use some of their taxes to ensure the well-being of their "fellow Americans", who in general aren't at all lazy or desultory, but have simply fallen out of a system full of holes or ran into a streak of bad luck, they will scream, and ***** and moan and rave over how awful it is that some of their money will be spent on their fellow citizens. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." indeed.
Apparently Republicans and Teabaggers didn't get the memo that flaunting your opinions and telling the world how awesome they are and then not practicing what you preach makes you a fucking hypocrite. (Edit: I just realized that half of that sentence is redundant, but I can't decide whether it sounds stupid or awesome)

If you actually watched and listened to what Palin has to say, you would know she isn't a idiot like most of the left want you to believe.

I take it you are trolling now. Because you are trolling, right? The woman never managed more than barely holding her ground, usually failing brutally, during a debate or interview during the presidential rally, she is ignorant and bigoted, and you're telling me that she's not a fool? I'm not going to find a Youtube vid to refute your claim, but I will challenge you to find me one in which she makes a rational argument which I can't tear to shreds in two seconds.

*Edit: Socialism is not just about nationalizing things, and it goes without saying that just because part of America's healthcare is nationalized, it does not qualify as a socialist nation.

 

[C.G.B.S]

After watching The Colbert Report today it almost seems like Glen Beck is trying to build a cult. Like how he was talking about God had given him a message on how to get the U.S.A back on track. Also how he surrounds himself with great figures ( The founding fathers, M.L. King Jr. ...) and uses their words to help his cause. To me these actions kinda reek of a cult leader.

 

[Theseus32]

More to the point... This is the problem guys. Right here. Everything's become so goddamned polarized BECAUSE of people like Beck, that it's impossible to have any sort of rational discussion on any political subject here in the states. Let me clarify something.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany. It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and anti-Semitism. Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.

Let me repeat that last bit. NAZISM WAS A FAR RIGHT FORM OF POLITICS.

There. Now that we have that little misunderstanding cleared up... Here's the issue. First of all, no one here (at least not me) is calling Glenn Beck a Nazi. That would be a silly Ad hominem attack. No the problem here is that Beck seems to toss that label around like he's going for a Guinness record for most Nazi comparisons. This has made it EXTREMELY GODDAMNED DIFFICULT TO HAVE ANY INTELLIGENT DISCOURSE.

I DO know republicans. I DO know conservatives. I DO deal with clients who have a very wide range of political viewpoints and I need to make nice with all of them. My very best friend in the world, and I'm talking take-a-bullet-help-hide-the-dead-hooker best friend, is a conservative. However he actually THINKS. And ya know what? As a fellow insurance exec, HE'S for the frigging health care bill. And there's a lot we don't even disagree about. You find a lot of common ground working with someone 12 hours a day.

In fact, a quick word about the health care bill from someone who is actually in the bloody insurance industry. Right now, do you realize what it does? It means that, when it goes into effect, I can sell health care to anyone. Doesn't matter if they have a pre-existing condition, hell doesn't matter if they're on death's door. I can cover them. This is a VERY GOOD THING for insurance companies because selling policies is how we stay in business. What's that? The cost of paying these huge claims? Well see, not to get technical but there's this thing called the law of large numbers. Works like this. Say Bob has a bad heart. He's had two bypasses and it ain't looking good due to his addiction to eating lard straight out of the can. Now insuring him will mean that he's probably gonna have a pretty big claim eventually. Let's say his policy caps out at 10 million which is still pretty standard. Now if you were JUST ensuring Bob, you're gonna lose money as an insurance company pretty quick. Now let's say you have Bob as a policy holder, and all of his family, friends, their friends, their families, their cousins... hell the entire town. The money they pay in premiums easily covers Bob and makes sure you not only make money, but cover everybody.

This is direct from the insurance health license exams... "There will always be more people working and healthy, then injured or ill." That's why the hospitals aren't bigger than the cities. Under the current system he would have an exclusionary waiver for his heart. Meaning that when bypass #3 comes along, bob is well and truly screwed. Under the new plan, Bob can get a policy. Not CHEAPLY mind, but at least enough to not have to sell his wife and kids to pay off the hospital when he gets sick again. And that's all it does as of yet. No death panels, no hammers and sickles flying over the white house... just means I have a much wider base of potential clients. The OTHER neat thing is that the pharmaceutical companies will have to charge less, which means the hospitals charge less, which means I get to charge less, meaning that you don't have to pay as much. Everybody wins. It's basic economics.

The fact that the "Tea Parties" haven't grasped this concept means one thing. They do not have the slightest understanding of how the health care industry works, and no one has explained it to them. Or they've ignored those who've tried.

But that's the thing right there. It's not that Beck lies as such. It's that he twists the hell out of the truth. It's like giving out low fat Halloween candy while neglecting to mention the razor blades you've hidden it in. Just because you're not LYING doesn't mean you're telling the whole truth either. And I'm not saying it's just the right wing in this country doing it, but you're the only ones who have an entire network dedicated to it. Like the wink wink nudge nudge hints about Obama's new supreme court pick being a lesbian. "We're not saying she's a lesbian, we're just pointing out that she likes softball and cigars. And to make sure you don't think she's a lesbian we're going to keep talking about how she's not a lesbian every second of the day for the next MONTH. And boy, for someone who isn't a lesbian, she sure seems kinda offended by all this don't ya think? Sure makes you wonder if she might be a lesbian."

Here's the other problem. If you repeat something enough times it doesn't even MATTER if it's true or not. Remember when Glen was saying to everyone "TeH sky is falLing! Buy gold! buy lots of gold in 1000$ increments!!!1112 ECONOMIC COLAPSE! ANARKYE!!!! OH NOS!!!"? (For those of you keeping score, that was both an ad hominm attack and a straw man argument. Bonus points if you spot them next time you're watching fox!) He neglected to mention the part where he was a paid spokesman for gold line, a company that happens to sell gold in 1000$ increments. I'm sure it slipped his mind. Anyhoo, all of a sudden I had a half dozen clients talking about buying gold. Conservative clients that is. It's called a Meme. Or if you're being a little less generous, propaganda. And you know who else used propaganda? That's right. Hitler.

Now again, I'm not saying Glenn Beck is Hitler, but isn't it odd that they've both written books and both worn military uniforms? Just saying.

Plus there was that one woman that Glenn Beck raped and murdered back in 1990. Read it on the internet, so it must be true.

 

[rokkolpo]

glad to live in holland.

at least idiots don't get big here.

 

[SonicWaffle]

If you actually watched and listened to what Palin has to say, you would know she isn't a idiot like most of the left want you to believe.

So it isn't that she's a very confused woman with a total lack of public speaking ability and some very wonky politcal views, it's the damn liberal media conspiring to make her look stupid! Not her fault at all!

Living in the UK, I obviously don't pay as close attention to US politics as you do, but I simply can't comprehend how anyone could take Palin seriously. I've seen absolutely nothing from her that makes me think of her as anything more than an attention whore.

I know that people judge by the loudest voice. But you pride yourself on being smarter than most, don't you, this is by your logic of course? Shouldn't you be smart enough to realize that the louder minority is just that, the minority? And since your so smart, you realize that's the case so you look into it to see if it really is the minority. Well, whatever.

The problem is that people often aren't that smart. This is why scaremongering and FOX-style "journalism" work as political tactics.

As I said, I live in the UK. I do take a more active interest in US politics (my girlfriend is originally from Arizona) than many people over here do, and the loudest voices are those of people like Beck or Palin. As a result, public perception in this country is that Republicans are all argumentative, badly-informed trolls. I'm aware they aren't, I have several conservative friends (here and abroad) who have well thought out and intelligent views, but their voices can't be heard over the screeching faeces-flinging of the chimps. Really, having people like Beck around is detrimental to the belief structure as a whole, and allows serious opinions to be brushed off as yet more conservative nonsense.

 

[oppp7]

Does anyone have a clip of that time he dissected a fish and compared it to a politician? That was fucking creepy.

I'm not sure if he's just insane or faking it all for ratings.

 

[Doitpow]

I don't think Glenn Beck is stupid, I think he's very calculating and intelligent. he knows his audience so well it's scary.

 

[AdamRBi]

Glenn Beck scares me. How one person can influence a mass of people to follow him when all he does is exaggerate lies to support his bias view of the world is frightening.

I think someone infamous in history did that once and ended up killing millions of innocents... what was his name again?