Poll: Guns, are they good or bad?
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Those ARE illegal...Nunny said:
But...
What if you're defending yourself from a mob sponsored hit squad?
Or the GOVERNMENT
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Well, I've arrived late for this discussion, but...
Let me just say one thing anyway: Whatever you gun-supporters might say ("self-defense", "tool", "neutral", "responsibility"), whatever you believe or whatever argument you bring forth in theory...
It doesn't matter.
Statistics are very clear on the matter. The per capita murders are a lot higher in countries with lax gun-laws than in those with stricter ones. Yes, the knivings might increase. But that doesn't change the truth that, overall, murders are lower when guns are restricted.
Many murders/manslaughters aren't commited by your "typical criminals" but by people who come into emotional distress. Otherwise normal people. Who happen to own a gun and go batshit insane over something. Believe me, killing with a gun is a lot easier than slitting somebodies throat. It's cleaner, for one thing. It's not as close-up, either.
I can only speak for Germany (though I assume it's similar for the other European countries as well as other countries with strict laws), but I'm glad that I can walk down a street at night, not fearing some crazy fucker waving a gun at me hopping out from around a corner.
I'm glad to know that thieves will enter a house, take whatever they want and then fucking leave without hurting anybody.
It's interesting how black-and-white the viewpoint of some of you seems to be.
There aren't criminals and normal people. There are many kinds of criminals. Do you honestly believe that anybody who is willing to nick some stuff is also automatically willing/capable of cold-blooded murder?
Anyway, look at the statistics and you'll see why strict gun-laws are a good thing, for everybody.
Let me just say one thing anyway: Whatever you gun-supporters might say ("self-defense", "tool", "neutral", "responsibility"), whatever you believe or whatever argument you bring forth in theory...
It doesn't matter.
Statistics are very clear on the matter. The per capita murders are a lot higher in countries with lax gun-laws than in those with stricter ones. Yes, the knivings might increase. But that doesn't change the truth that, overall, murders are lower when guns are restricted.
Many murders/manslaughters aren't commited by your "typical criminals" but by people who come into emotional distress. Otherwise normal people. Who happen to own a gun and go batshit insane over something. Believe me, killing with a gun is a lot easier than slitting somebodies throat. It's cleaner, for one thing. It's not as close-up, either.
I can only speak for Germany (though I assume it's similar for the other European countries as well as other countries with strict laws), but I'm glad that I can walk down a street at night, not fearing some crazy fucker waving a gun at me hopping out from around a corner.
I'm glad to know that thieves will enter a house, take whatever they want and then fucking leave without hurting anybody.
It's interesting how black-and-white the viewpoint of some of you seems to be.
There aren't criminals and normal people. There are many kinds of criminals. Do you honestly believe that anybody who is willing to nick some stuff is also automatically willing/capable of cold-blooded murder?
Anyway, look at the statistics and you'll see why strict gun-laws are a good thing, for everybody.
The problems with guns are that even the thickest person in the world can get his hands on one and he also dosnt need to be a genius to kill someone with it.
Guns arent the problem its more the people so the people shouldnt be allowed guns.simple.
And screw the crap about criminals getting them here in the UK some criminals have guns smuggled in and gun crime is pretty low thats why knives are used.
Guns arent the problem its more the people so the people shouldnt be allowed guns.simple.
And screw the crap about criminals getting them here in the UK some criminals have guns smuggled in and gun crime is pretty low thats why knives are used.
A man came after a conveinient store clerk with a pistol. The store clerk pulled out a shotgun, then with his knee, hit the emergency lock down button. The assailant quickly did the math, and dropped his weapon.Dys said:
Hell, even HISTORY shows what arming everyone does to crime. Jesse James went in with his posse in the ol' west to hold up a bank. As he was on his way out, his posse was RAPED seeing as EVERYONE in the town had hunting rifles, he barely made it out, along with three others, two of them wounded.
I live in a place called Kennesaw, in Georgia. For some reason it is a law here that you are to own a gun and keep it in your house/apartment/what have you. Due to this law there is virtually no crime here. Only stuff like underage drinking and stuff goes on here because of the Kennesaw State University (it has like 25,000 students).
AS has been said over and over again, guns don't kill people, people kill people; guns are a tool, neither good nor bad; and take the guns away from law abiding citizens and only the people with the intent to do harm will have them.
There is nothing wrong with having guns, I don't understand why people are so opposed to them, if you've ever gone and shot a range you'll find that it is a great form of stress relief.
AS has been said over and over again, guns don't kill people, people kill people; guns are a tool, neither good nor bad; and take the guns away from law abiding citizens and only the people with the intent to do harm will have them.
There is nothing wrong with having guns, I don't understand why people are so opposed to them, if you've ever gone and shot a range you'll find that it is a great form of stress relief.
Short answer: Nope.
Long Answer:
A gun is a piece of machinery, it has no inherent bias to good or evil. That lies entirely with the person at the controls.
In America specifically banning guns won't change anything at all, there are too many weapons flaoting around for it to stop criminals getting them and it will make criminals of anyone who is lax or defies the encroaching ban.
The sheer number of guns and the vocal support for it makes banning them in the US impractical.
BUT
I think control in the US needs to be tighter. As it stands the attitude to guns over there is entirely wrong. They're sold and marketed as luxury items, boys toys like a motorbike or games consoles. This attitude confounds me completely.
There needs to be a tightening up on gun licensing and (much more importantly) training standards with weapons need to be raised. Hit up youtube and you'll see hundreds, if not thousands of videos of people either not operating a gun properly or suffering catastrophic malfunctions (not all americans, but plenty).
If they had been sat down and taught how to handle it properly and how to clear jams and proper firing checks, most of these videos wouldn't exist. It would also save a lot (a LOT) of injuries and deaths if proper firing discipline was taught and made a mandatory part of getting a licence.
I don't think banning firearms in the US would help, the arguments (particularly the moronic 'self defense' angle, missing entirely that if you pull a gun on an armed person, they have little or no choice but to shoot you first) are too deeply ingrained.
But I do think training, education and most of all attitudes to guns need to change in the US.
The world view of Americans as trigger happy morons isn't fair, but a quick trawl of the web shows why it's come about.
Long Answer:
A gun is a piece of machinery, it has no inherent bias to good or evil. That lies entirely with the person at the controls.
In America specifically banning guns won't change anything at all, there are too many weapons flaoting around for it to stop criminals getting them and it will make criminals of anyone who is lax or defies the encroaching ban.
The sheer number of guns and the vocal support for it makes banning them in the US impractical.
BUT
I think control in the US needs to be tighter. As it stands the attitude to guns over there is entirely wrong. They're sold and marketed as luxury items, boys toys like a motorbike or games consoles. This attitude confounds me completely.
There needs to be a tightening up on gun licensing and (much more importantly) training standards with weapons need to be raised. Hit up youtube and you'll see hundreds, if not thousands of videos of people either not operating a gun properly or suffering catastrophic malfunctions (not all americans, but plenty).
If they had been sat down and taught how to handle it properly and how to clear jams and proper firing checks, most of these videos wouldn't exist. It would also save a lot (a LOT) of injuries and deaths if proper firing discipline was taught and made a mandatory part of getting a licence.
I don't think banning firearms in the US would help, the arguments (particularly the moronic 'self defense' angle, missing entirely that if you pull a gun on an armed person, they have little or no choice but to shoot you first) are too deeply ingrained.
But I do think training, education and most of all attitudes to guns need to change in the US.
The world view of Americans as trigger happy morons isn't fair, but a quick trawl of the web shows why it's come about.
How do you know it's that law specifically and not some other factors? The crimes you describe and the high number of students makes it sound like a fairly well off town. Would the low crime rate have more to do with who lives there than what they're armed with?Chinchama said:
For example is there a drug problem, or a marginalised community in the town (along the lines of ethnicity or religion).
I only say this as guns are prevalent in plenty of parts of the world with almost catastrophic levels of crime. LA is full of guns for example, so is Rio deJanero, there's more to crime levels than the risk of encountering someone with a gun.
But conversely the Island of Crete (the most heavily armed island in the world, I forget the exact figure but it's more than one gun for every person on Crete, all civilian owned) has quite low crime, but is also fairly rich from Tourism and quite stable as it's part of the EU (never call them Greek, that's like calling a Canadian American).
Heroine used to be 400 dollars per unit. Since the "War on drugs" The price has dropped over 350 dollars per unit. But hey, people don't like to pay attention to what history has to teach us.chinese_democracy said:
We can outlaw guns but there's no doubt people will still use them anyway. So it would be pointless to do so. Guns aren't all bad or all good, it all depends on whose using them. It would actually be better just to give pistols and assault rifles to the people that get robbed by criminaks with guns.
Meh, if you outlaw guns in a place as addicted to the right to have them as America, there will surely be a smuggling movement the likes of which we haven't seen since Prohibition. Hell, I might become a gunrunner myself, depending on just how insane the profit to be made was.