Poll: Hes a Virgin and never kissed? Do girls like that?

[DSK-]

Why does such a thing even matter?

Besides, how would one know if you were a virgin or not? do women suddenly have telepathic powers when I wasn't looking? oh wait....it's the Hivemind!

*runs off to find his tin foil hat*

 

[Rarhnor]

Exactly my point. Highfive for successful combo!

I believe that sums it up nicely, as well

Ow...Low blow.

That's highschool all over again...And I just got over it.

 

[Daveman]

I say NO. Sure they'd like the novelty of being his first (and we all remember our first, right?) but I reckon they'll also check themself and think there's probably a very good reason he's a virgin and never kissed.

Or in my case... there's probably SEVERAL very good reasons.

 

[Weaver]

I knew a girl who had a thing for virgins.

 

[qwertyzxy27]

while not a girl myself i can say that i don't like my guys to be total sluts i think its refreshing to go out with an inexperienced guy they tend to appreciate you more

 

[Seldon2639]

Exactly my point. Highfive for successful combo!

I believe that sums it up nicely, as well

Ow...Low blow.

That's highschool all over again...And I just got over it.

It's only painful if you struggle against it. If you just accept the double standard, and that the less attractive you are, the more you have to work at getting women, you'll be much happier with your lot in life.

Fatalism, it makes everything better.

 

[NoblePhilistineFox]

Doesn't matter how much experience he's had. If you like him, you like him. Simple.

ahh, but the initial attraction is based on both physical appearance AND what other people think of him, which usually relies heavily on virginity because its such a social stigma.
do I win?

 

[Holy_Handgrenade]

From what I've been through, most don't give a damn. But everyone's different, so who knows.

What if it happens to mean absolutely nothing to us?
If we love them, does it really matter what they have or haven't done in bed?
Why should I give a damn if they have or haven't had sex yet? >.>

Because: Nerdy guys see the female gender, as completely different race than themselves. As any unknown race, they must be observed and studied

*Jots down notes*

Interesting, they appear to use the same language...
Further observation is required. Next item to study is eating habits.

I'm personally working on thoughtpatterns and bodylanguage. I seem to be in over my head, however.

At least you're not on shoeology. -_-

EDIT: I'm dreading studying there obsession with twilight.

 

[Rarhnor]

Doesn't matter how much experience he's had. If you like him, you like him. Simple.

ahh, but the initial attraction is based on both physical appearance AND what other people think of him, which usually relies heavily on virginity because its such a social stigma.
do I win?

Spoiler: Reward

 

[Infernostrider]

im a guy i say...how would i know? it depends on the girl...some people like to teach, others like experienced people to teach them, where yet others prefer ppl around their own "skill level"

 

[Zealous]

Hun... girls like it, but guys don't think they do. Interesting.

 

[SuccessAndBiscuts]

Personally I think she would like it cause it would make him hers and only hers (flip it on its head, would you rather a girl who you knew was a total slut or a relative innocent?)

Ah... The Madonna/Whore dichotomy, good to see it still kicking around. Not for nothing, but if you have to divide all women into "total sluts" or "relative innocents", you're not doing much to make yourself sound like a mature and worldly guy.

The reason you observe the "jerky" guys getting all the girls is because they have the self-confidence/ego/arrogence to pull it off in the first place, the more girls they get the more it inflates the ego, the more girls they get.

In a lot of ways it becomes self-perpetuating. "Nice" guys on the other hand often lack the self-confidence/ego/arrogence to get girls.

Ah, if only it were true. It'd be an easy fix, if it were, and all the nice guys in the world would get a girlfriend, and suddenly be beset with a bevy besotted buxom babes. But... No. Guys who easily get girls become "jerks", because men put the amount of effort into getting women that's required. Really attractive men (or men with really low standards, a la Casanova), get lots of girls without much effort. Nice guys don't get girls because we're either less attractive, or going after girls who are legitimately out of our leagues. Confidence is a bit of a false flag, since I've known plenty of really cocky/arrogant/douchebaggy guys who get absolutely no play.

Women seem to be biologically programmed to go for confident guys (on a base level, we can all overcome base urges) the problem with it is self-serving arrogence and simply being cocky often appears to be confidence.

Yeah... Same kind of thing. Women (as well as men) are biologically inclined to go for attractive men (and women). You've just got the causal chain backwards.

There's a whole thing in psychology about the locus of control. Basically, the reason the mind first leaps toward "it's about how we act", is because we like to put the locus of control on ourselves, making it something internal and controllable. Telling ourselves that it's because we're "nice" and "not arrogant douchebags" lets us tell a good narrative.

1. It says to ourselves "well, I could get the girl, if I acted differently, so I'm just as desirable as the guy who gets all the women", and (even better) "I'd get those girls, too, if I stooped to that level, but I'm not going to change who I am to get girls"
2. It says there's something "wrong" with the guys who get all the girls
3. It says there's something "wrong" with the girls who reject us (they're just rejecting us because girls are programmed to go for bad boys, it couldn't be something undesirable about me, it's that she wants the "wrong" thing). Especially if you combine it with 'she mistakes arrogance and self-serving cockiness with confidence', it really becomes "she's stupid, which is why she rejected me"

If we had to explain to ourselves the truth, that we're less desirable (probably physically), it's a bit of a blow to the psyche.

It's ironic that at the same time we consider them to be inscrutable, ineffably complicated, Machiavellian schemers, we also turn around and (if they reject us) come up with a narrative scheme which boils down to "she's too dumb to realize how good I am"

Firstly I did not divide all women into one category or another I was using two exaggerated examples to make a point.

Secondly I would argue that while outward appearance is important, confidence is more important because someone who is confident/self invested is more likely to take pride and put effort into their appearance and other aspects of their life. In my opinion or experience one begets the other. Also regarding those "cocky/arrogant/douchebaggy" guys that would be your opinion of them other people may see them differently.

I should point out that there are two kinds of confidence in my opinion, true confidence and false confidence a lot of "cocky" people I have experienced are the way they are because of false confidence, the confidence is only skin deep and not grounded in anything therefore making them less attractive once the false confidence is seen through.

In regards to the locus of control point, I do see where you are coming from and to an extent it is true people do turn things to better reflect themselves but surely then a question arises, why do we twist things to try and polish our psyche/boost our ego? Its a process we have performed for as long as we are human so why? If physical attraction was everything surely it would be better for those who are unattractive to acknowledge that and die off than to try and rationalise it in a way that boosts their confidence and (in my oppinion) by extension increase their chance of reproducing.

Anyway this is all opinion flavoured with personal experience and armchair psychology so perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[DN83]

I'm looking at the polls and notice that the girls prefer the virgin guys, but the guys think the girls don't. Pretty interesting stuff.

 

[NoblePhilistineFox]

Spoiler: Reward

youre not the person I was dancing with, this cookie is from a bystander and untill she replies I will not have won yet...
but thanks for the cookie ^w^
*nom* *nom* *nom*

Spoiler: maybe we can dance someday, then your cookie will mean more then a delicious promotion ^w^

than-kyu.

 

[SteinFaust]

i was both, and my girl found it endearing. i was 'adorable'.
also helps that i'm probably the most polite, gentlemanly person she had ever met.

 

[Exterminas]

I don't know if this notion has actually passed around: Women are humans too!

So if a girl encounters somebody who's character she likes, who is a nice person, who makes her laugh and who meets what ever requirement she may have to fall in love... Then she deffinatly won't say "Sorry, gotta go", once he tells her he never kissed.

Nobody wears a sign showing the number of persons he/she had sex with, all complete with penis und bust size. So stop caring about such unimportend things that are absoluts secondary for the idea weather or not somebody will like/love you.

 

[dancinginfernal]

Depends on the woman, and the man.

While I know it wasn't your intention (and thus I won't go on a rant), you're generalizing the female gender.