Poll: HE'S GOT A GUN!!!

[Arcticflame]

Statement of fact. You will be shot if you try to run away. It takes you longer to start running away, your movement is more easy to notice, and even if he misses the first time the gunman can just keep shooting at you until he hits you. Going for a disarm is faster, involves less movement that's less obvious and is intended to very quickly put you in a position where you cannot immediately be shot at.

You missed the point, you made a response that was unsubstantiated, it doesn't matter how true or untrue it was, as there was no backing to it, it was unnecessary.

Of course it's a reflex for him. When he's pointing a gun at you and you start moving, he isn't going stand there and consider his options. He is going to pull the trigger as a reflex in response to your movement. And no, you can't instantly draw a gun and shoot, even if you have decent training. Did you get that idea from video games?

The scenario you presented was if he wanted to shoot you, it isn't a reflex to look at someone and think to yourself *I want to shoot him*, and then in one motion pull gun and shoot. A reflex is a response, not a premeditated action.

That's like calling throwing a ball a reflex.

So now we're discussing scenarios where the guy hasn't even drawn a gun? What the christ.

I don't follow. Nowhere did I say he hadn't drawn the gun.

Disarms are intended for situations where someone is pointing a gun at you and you want to stop him from doing that.

yeaaah.. and are only intended to be done when the person is competent in doing so.

If it's a choice between running and attacking, running is the inferior option.

No, I already maintained many many times, with no proper response from you, that it isn't a weighing up between running in attacking in the scenario you presented, its an option between being shot or being at his mercy, running and attacking doesn't change my chances.

Once again you have presented an unsubtantiated opinion.

No, I assumed that he is pointing it at you. If you are right in front of him as he starts to draw his gun, you have an excellent chance to stop him.

No you don't, because you don't know he is pulling a gun, all you see is a number of people, one of which who'm you realise too late has a gun. To you it would just look like a guy pulling out his wallet, shuffling in his pocket. You wouldn't expect a gun unless you were extremely vigilent. I.E. See my repeated point about non-common person.

See above.

See above.

If disarms are on the table (and they are), then he must be very close to you. Otherwise you cannot do a disarm.

One of my points exactly, you can't charge in to disarm, as that invites getting shot, thanks for agreeing.

That doesn't make any sense, but what I said makes perfect sense.

No it doesn't, You are saying that because one of the options involves disarming, he has to be close, and therefore running isn't an option.

If that is so, than using your logic it stands to reason that because running is on the list, you therefore have a good chance of running away. I.E. he is significantly far away.

See what you are doing? You are manipulating the scenario for your own ends, and dismissing all other variations, for no reason. On the other hand, I have met your generated scenario, as made a few others. I have variation in my response to meet a multitude of cases, I.E. the point of these discussions.

People aren't going to do anything even if they have a chance. And all this time I have specifically been talking about situations where you do have a chance, so your observation is redundant anyway.

Running away is doing something. Running away is a chance of survival, which is what I was always talking about.
The chance of helping people I also tackled, by my opinion of retreating, and then getting into a better position
And you haven't displayed how my observation is redundant.

I love it when people do that and fail. I also love it when two people start fighting over the internet during a hypothetical situation. It really shows how smart people are. End sarcasm.

This is a forum, that's the point. :|

 

[Uncreation]

Also, as far as hoopyfrood is concerned, i smell a troll.

And I smell someone who makes random, unfounded accusations when he can't come up with any counter-arguments.

Counter-arguments to what? Your personal opinion on the matter? As far as the troll comment, i was refering to the fact that you seem to read selectively, seeing only what you want.

For example, in the first pages, you keep complaining about the fact that a violent, or as you like to put it, "manly", solution to the problem is not favored, or frowned upon. Actually, a lot of posters had said that they would disarm him, attack him, shoot him, stab him, etc. So quite a number of people were in favor of such a solution. And i am not even going to TRY to get in the whole: "Violence is marginalized in todays media or society" thing.
Also, you kept insisting to another poster that disarming is possible, and that he should just "deal with it". He never claimed it was not, he only said it was improbable (i think). Etc.
From this i got the feeling that you were just trying to stir up an argument.

 

[300lb. Samoan]

oh good, i'm not the only delusional moron who thinks they'd stand a chance fighting an armed man

I HAVE A YELLOW BELT - DON'T FUCK WITH ME, I'LL KATA YOU TO DEATH

 

[similar.squirrel]

I'd probably take the bullet for a loved one. Don't value my life too much.
And there's always the chance that pain-induced adrenaline would allow me to beat him to a pulp.

 

[ShotgunSmoke]

I would take my convertible SPAS and shoot him.

But if seriously, I would try to sneak behind him and disarm the person. I also carry a knife, so it would help too.

 

[Evil the White]

I would do a barrel roll. It always seems to get me out of trouble.

Don't forget that it also deflects the bullets! Or attracts them, I've never been quite sure which.

 

[MrSnugglesworth]

Dance. It would catch him offguard and then I would strike! Or he'd shoot me. Either way, I'd come out a hero.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Either shield my friends or take the guy down, whichever makes more sense at the moment. I'm not going to run at him when he's 10 feet away, I'll just be shot first.

 

[Bhuggy]

"it's okay man! you must feel some pain but we all.."
BANG!
"Ohhhh shit he shot me! Motherf**ker shot me!!"

 

[ssgt splatter]

Common Sense: Drop to the floor!
Uncommon Sense/Be-the-hero: Try to disarm him.

 

[Macgyvercas]

Tell him he has the safety on, enter bullet time mode, punch his lights out, unload gun, restrain would be shooter, be hailed a hero, get "rewarded" by all the hot chicks who saw you act like a total masculine badass

 

[SweetCakeKiller]

I actually wouldn't know what to chose, so I selected disarming. I probably wouldn't flee because the last time I ran to my car to get my Casull I got shot twice in the shoulder.
But when he ran past I broke his jar with pickles. XD

 

[Kimberland]

Its a beautiful day in where-ever-the-hell-you-live-ville you are at the "insert local shopping centre here" its very busy. But there is evil aloof, a man pulls a gun, and turns in you your direction. You cant tell if he will shoot or not. What do you do?

Too ambiguous. Are we in the street or indoors somewhere? Am I alone? Is there cover? Is there anything laying around? How far from me is he?

For instances, if he's close to me, I will disarm him, and if possible, kill him. If he's not, I'm not gonna lunge at an armed men and try to run across a street while dodging bullets... I'm not suicidal...

If there are objects nearby I will use them. If he's close, a stapler is a good makeshift stun-gun. If he's far it's a good blunt object to break someone's head with.

If he's too far, try to manipulate him to either put the gun down, or shoot himself (I'm good at it). Last case scenario, I would take a bullet for the person I love, I wouldn't for a random person. Hell, I'd probably use them as a shield.

Its for you to decide, really, I gave you a scenario you give the details and tell me what you would do.

 

[Captain Pancake]

I cast magic missile.

And I use potion of kord's blessing on my mace of faith...

But really I drop to the floor.

 

[irishstormtrooper]

It depends on how close he is. If he's about two feet away, I'd try to disarm him, but if he's more than twenty feet away, I'd run like hell.

... bullets would out run you by a long shot

Yes, but pistols are not that accurate, and a moving target is harder to hit than a stationary one.

 

[AkJay]

I'd talk to him, because it's not like i can "outrun bullet"