Poll: Homosexuality

[AnkaraTheFallen]

I appreciate your respect of my views, thank you.
There are many denominations of Christians and if history is any evidence than some of those have deviated far from the original, so this topic could have been interpreted in any number of ways throughout the years. The Bible doesn't have a whole lot on the subject, it basically says "Don't do it with the same sex." It doesn't even say "Don't have a close relationship with the same sex." Just as long as its the right kind of relationship.

Your welcome, as I said before I was raised catholic, so despite not really following the religion any more, I still try to follow their moral views on things. I like to think I'm open minded to most peoples views and opinions... unless they are extremely rude or offensive. And I truly wish my parents were more like you, would have saved me a lot of problems when I was younger.

 

[Terminal Blue]

So I guess my stance is "do what you want, just don't do it in front of me"

Which would be fine if it worked in reverse. It doesn't.

As it is, you have legs. Other people have no responsibility to cater to your irrational desire not to see certain things. Do what most gay people do when they're disgusted by heterosexual affection. Use those legs.

Why do 'mincing queens' annoy you anyway? Do they keep you up all night by having loud cocktail parties or something?

 

[lcyw20]

I'm indifferent, I don't support it, because I think its wrong. But honestly, I couldn't care less. I'm certainly not going to persecute gay people, I treat them the same as anyone else.

Why do you think it's wrong? I'm just curious.

My religion, although personally I don't see what is wrong with it, I put my religion before my own agenda. However my religion doesn't say, "Hate homosexuals with a fiery passion." like most members of my denomination would have you believe. So I don't. Basically I'm completely fine with gay people I just wouldn't make a choice to be one myself.

This is where you are wrong. It is not a choice, no more than you choosing to be straight.

 

[Relaver]

I am against homosexuality. Part of the reason is because I am christian and in the Bible it clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.(in Leviticus)
I by no means hate gay people at all I see no reason for it at all, and God tells to only hate the sin but love the sinner
It also is definately is not gentic because I know a pair identical twins, one is gay and the other is not. If it was genetic they would BOTH be gay . Homosexuality is a choice, you chose to be gay.

 

[Braedan]

"Do what you want".

As long as there aren't gross displays of affection in public. But that goes for straight people too so...

And Flamers are obnoxious, but not for their sexual preference, for their personality, which does not change based on which way you swing.

 

[Bloodstain]

I am indifferent. I don't care about what people do.
Why should I support them? I don't support heterosexuals, so I don't see why I do it for homosexuals. Equality for everyone also means "no special bonus support for anyone".

 

[Sarpedon]

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[Terminal Blue]

There are many denominations of Christians and if history is any evidence than some of those have deviated far from the original, so this topic could have been interpreted in any number of ways throughout the years.

That's the thing. Noone even knows what 'the original' is. Anyone claiming to do so is outright making it up. There are no surviving eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. There's very little coherence in how the old testament was put together.

Sure, at some point a particular group of Israelites said something which came to mean and ultimately to be translated as 'a man shall not lie with another man as if he were a woman' (as if the meaning of that statement is at all clear, as I repeatedly point out, how do you even lie with a man as if they were a woman anyway?)

But heck, other groups of Israelites were practising bridal prostitution, and I don't hear many Christians advocating we should make newlywed women sit by the roadside and have sex with anyone who comes past.

 

[Woodsey]

Surely its more a matter of not supporting discrimination, as opposed to supporting homosexuality? What is there to support about it? People don't choose, and its not right to discriminate against them for something so irrelevant.

I'm indifferent, I don't support it, because I think its wrong. But honestly, I couldn't care less. I'm certainly not going to persecute gay people, I treat them the same as anyone else.

Why do you think it's wrong? I'm just curious.

My religion, although personally I don't see what is wrong with it, I put my religion before my own agenda. However my religion doesn't say, "Hate homosexuals with a fiery passion." like most members of my denomination would have you believe. So I don't. Basically I'm completely fine with gay people I just wouldn't make a choice to be one myself.

So you actively choose to not think for yourself? Remarkable. And people don't choose, do we honestly need to go over the (lack of) logic regarding that?

Knew there would be hate coming for this.

I do think for myself, I wouldn't believe in something I knew nothing about, I know why my religion says its wrong, and I made my decision to follow that. Besides, why is it any of your concern, because I've made it pretty clear that I'm not going to go around shoving my religion down your collective throats.

You said yourself you don't see a problem with it, yet you will put forward that opinion it is "wrong" just because your religion says so. And I quote: "I put my religion before my own agenda." Its not even an agenda, you're just absorbing someone else's (several 1000 years old and completely irrelevant to today) opinion... just because.

And it bothers me because its that sort of stupidity that means we have to have threads about supporting homosexuality in the first place.

You do realize your taking the position of attacking my beliefs right? At this point I'd rather not keep typing religion and just put out there that I'm Christian. If Christianity is to be believed then everything God has said (and by extension everything in the Bible) is law. I personally don't see why He chose to make this particular thing wrong, but I do understand the reasoning for it. Also, don't go into "Well what if it is wrong?" your word is as good as mine and thats an entirely different topic.

That's because the personal belief of "I don't like gays because other people tell me so" is fucking stupid. Considering you DO get to choose your religion, I don't really see why you've chosen one that means you have to ignore what you really think.

 

[Russirishican]

I appreciate your respect of my views, thank you.
There are many denominations of Christians and if history is any evidence than some of those have deviated far from the original, so this topic could have been interpreted in any number of ways throughout the years. The Bible doesn't have a whole lot on the subject, it basically says "Don't do it with the same sex." It doesn't even say "Don't have a close relationship with the same sex." Just as long as its the right kind of relationship.

Your welcome, as I said before I was raised catholic, so despite not really following the religion any more, I still try to follow their moral views on things. I like to think I'm open minded to most peoples views and opinions... unless they are extremely rude or offensive. And I truly wish my parents were more like you, would have saved me a lot of problems when I was younger.

Thank you. Basically what I've been trying to say the whole time is I don't expect people who aren't Christians to have any reason not to be gay if they want to be, and I won't treat them any different than anybody else because of that.

 

[Xan Krieger]

Complex view here, for gay equality, against gay marrige. Seekster proposed a compramise that solves all the issues, gives everyone the exact same rights. Yet people compare it to seperate but equal, a sperate but equal without the seperate part of that phrase.

 

[sansamour14]

Well I am gay so I'd be a bit of a hypocrite if I was against it.

Saying that I was brought up as a strong believing christian and told that being gay was a sin for most of my young life, so that really messed me up when I found out I was gay. >.<

same.

living with religious fanatics so.....not leaving ma closet anytime soon

 

[Furious Styles]

Honestly don't care, but think they should be able to marry and enjoy the same legal rights. I'd probably sign a petition on such subjects if presented with one, but am in no way someone who cares enough to make a fuss.

 

[iraneyman]

I'm against homosexuality, not necessarily homosexuals but homosexuality. I believe that human morality is a relativistic way of viewing something intrinsically objective and as such I use the Bible as my reference for objective morality. That's not to say that I think any nation should ban homosexuality because I believe the justice system should be based on what's best for society and not necessarily morality. I will admit I don't support gay marriage but only because I wish to protect religious institutions that would refuse to perform said marriages. I have no problem with civil unions and don't think that secular society should view them any differently than regular marriages.

 

[Russirishican]

Surely its more a matter of not supporting discrimination, as opposed to supporting homosexuality? What is there to support about it? People don't choose, and its not right to discriminate against them for something so irrelevant.

I'm indifferent, I don't support it, because I think its wrong. But honestly, I couldn't care less. I'm certainly not going to persecute gay people, I treat them the same as anyone else.

Why do you think it's wrong? I'm just curious.

My religion, although personally I don't see what is wrong with it, I put my religion before my own agenda. However my religion doesn't say, "Hate homosexuals with a fiery passion." like most members of my denomination would have you believe. So I don't. Basically I'm completely fine with gay people I just wouldn't make a choice to be one myself.

So you actively choose to not think for yourself? Remarkable. And people don't choose, do we honestly need to go over the (lack of) logic regarding that?

Knew there would be hate coming for this.

I do think for myself, I wouldn't believe in something I knew nothing about, I know why my religion says its wrong, and I made my decision to follow that. Besides, why is it any of your concern, because I've made it pretty clear that I'm not going to go around shoving my religion down your collective throats.

You said yourself you don't see a problem with it, yet you will put forward that opinion it is "wrong" just because your religion says so. And I quote: "I put my religion before my own agenda." Its not even an agenda, you're just absorbing someone else's (several 1000 years old and completely irrelevant to today) opinion... just because.

And it bothers me because its that sort of stupidity that means we have to have threads about supporting homosexuality in the first place.

You do realize your taking the position of attacking my beliefs right? At this point I'd rather not keep typing religion and just put out there that I'm Christian. If Christianity is to be believed then everything God has said (and by extension everything in the Bible) is law. I personally don't see why He chose to make this particular thing wrong, but I do understand the reasoning for it. Also, don't go into "Well what if it is wrong?" your word is as good as mine and thats an entirely different topic.

That's because the personal belief of "I don't like gays because other people tell me so" is fucking stupid. Considering you DO get to choose your religion, I don't really see why you've chosen one that means you have to ignore what you really think.

I know what it is I believe, I'm just not quite sure how to put it into words, not that I have to explain it to you anyway, but I will for the sake of discussion. You seem to be doubling back on my own words though. I said I thought that it was wrong, not that I don't like gay people.

 

[Terminal Blue]

I'm against homosexuality, not necessarily homosexuals but homosexuality. I believe that human morality is a relativistic way of viewing something intrinsically objective and as such I use the Bible as my reference for objective morality.

I have to say, the idea that the Bible is in any way objective is much, much younger than the concept of homosexuality.

You are only the second or third generation of Christians in human history to think that. Be very careful before appealing to some original moral principle which your predecessors would not even have understood.

 

[Russirishican]

There are many denominations of Christians and if history is any evidence than some of those have deviated far from the original, so this topic could have been interpreted in any number of ways throughout the years.

That's the thing. Noone even knows what 'the original' is. Anyone claiming to do so is outright making it up. There are no surviving eyewitness accounts of Jesus' life. There's very little coherence in how the old testament was put together.

Sure, at some point a particular group of Israelites said something which came to mean and ultimately to be translated as 'a man shall not lie with another man as if he were a woman' (as if the meaning of that statement is at all clear, as I repeatedly point out, how do you even lie with a man as if they were a woman anyway?)

But heck, other groups of Israelites were practising bridal prostitution, and I don't hear many Christians advocating we should make newlywed women sit by the roadside and have sex with anyone who comes past.

I'm not saying any one denomination is wrong or right, I'm just believing what I want to believe.

 

[ace_of_something]

Considering i'm a member of [a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parents,_Families_and_Friends_of_Lesbians_and_Gays]PFLAG[/a] I'm going to say yes, I support them. My oldest brother is gay. (I'm pretty sure he might be the biggest gay man in the world at 6'11" and 300ish lbs)

All love is cool.

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

I am against homosexuality. Part of the reason is because I am christian and in the Bible it clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.(in Leviticus)
I by no means hate gay people at all I see no reason for it at all, and God tells to only hate the sin but love the sinner
It also is definately is not gentic because I know a pair identical twins, one is gay and the other is not. If it was genetic they would BOTH be gay . Homosexuality is a choice, you chose to be gay.

Identical twins can still have different genetics, I've seen a pair where one has a serious learning difficulty from birth (sorry I can't remember the conditions name) and the other doesn't, but they are identical in every other way. A more basic example would be DNA, identical twins still have different DNA just like any siblings do.
And as someone who is gay, I've never though of it as a choice, if it was I would choose to be straight most probably after all the issues I've had at home over it.

 

[Russirishican]

I'm indifferent, I don't support it, because I think its wrong. But honestly, I couldn't care less. I'm certainly not going to persecute gay people, I treat them the same as anyone else.

Why do you think it's wrong? I'm just curious.

My religion, although personally I don't see what is wrong with it, I put my religion before my own agenda. However my religion doesn't say, "Hate homosexuals with a fiery passion." like most members of my denomination would have you believe. So I don't. Basically I'm completely fine with gay people I just wouldn't make a choice to be one myself.

This is where you are wrong. It is not a choice, no more than you choosing to be straight.

See one of the other post I made after this one.