Poll: How well do you think the Xbone will sell? (Especially considering DRM scandal)

[Yopaz]

on a side note Wii U sales on Amazon.co.uk post XBone reveal went up 800+%...

I thought we already cleared this up. There wasn't an increase in sales, there was a increase in sales rank in a week with generally low sales in video games. The week you are talking about had the second lowest sales since the Wii U's release.

Increase in sales rank doesn't mean increase in sales. Sales can increase while the sales rank decrease if other things sell better. Please don't use misleading information, it's so easy to dismiss it.

OT: I think the Xbone will do quite well, why? Because consumers aren't really the intelligent people we pretend they are.

EA won the award for the worst company in USA while BP poison our food and environment, pharmaceutical companies prevent development of more efficient and cheaper medicines and banks screw over those who struggle. If EA messing up a few games is worse than those who actually destroy the world and those who exploit the sick and poor then I am proud to distance myself from them and accept the title of anti consumer. If the consumer really is that stupid then I am against them.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

The Xbone will probably sell better than the 360. Make no mistake, those of us who are upset about the things MS is doing are the vocal minority. Key word there, is "MINORITY". Complaining that the Xbox isn't catering to the core gamer is pointless because we aren't the ones driving sales and therefore profit. We are the ones with the most passion, but the CoD market, the Madden market, and the people they get with the early access to DLC for those games are the ones they are worried about. Not us.

So yeah, it'll sell just fine.

 

[Eliam_Dar]

As I see it, this machine has not been targeted to hardcore gamers (hence the focus on tv and shows during its presentation), and it will be sold, as a glorified TiVo that happens to play games.
Personally, this machine (I refuse to call it console) is not for me, the drm situation is awful (what if I want to take the console on holidays and play, I wouldn?t be able to do so if there is no internet access), and the "not used games policy" is terrible (though I tend not to buy used games).
Additionally, the always on camera... really!!! is that necessary. Microsoft excuse to do so is ridiculous, let?s be honest here; it?s easier to push a button moving your finger between 1 and 5 cm, than gesturing in the air, for 30 cm.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

People are stupid, constantly and infinity stupid. The xbone will break sale records and achieve a platform dominance not seen since the early wii days and all because as little as you may think of your fellow man, the reality is so very much worse. Dangle enough hot new games in front of the spineless playerbase and all the promises of boycotting, all the "uncertainty" will evaporate before the giddy thrill of midnight launches and new releases. Microsoft knows this, we all know this so they no longer need to pretend to care, more media features appeal to a wider buyer base and because we gamers are almost completely incapable of restraint or following through with our threats we'll lap it up without a second thought the very minute our shiny new "console" is released

If Diablo III and SimCity have taught us anything, its that you're wrong.

And I hope you are.

Diablo 3 sold 16 million copies, and Sim City 5 sold nearly 1.5. He is not wrong. Not even a little.

 

[layden radeen]

With a price of under $350 with a good solid start up with a mix of new and old game I think that it may do better than expected but they need to show something at E3 to have it start getting some better press from both critics and gamers alike

 

[magicmonkeybars]

It'll sell like hot shit, don't even think it won't, people are stupid, impulsive and easy to fool.
They'll wave Halo and CoD in front of the dude-bros and millions in profit will be made selling a box that spies on you while calling you a criminal the second it can't call home to tell on you.

 

[Mareon]

Between all the dude-bros who blind buy t in order to play the next Call of Duty and all the people who sees it as a cheep way to turn their tv into a smart-tv they will make a bundle.

 

[Entitled]

That's not "going both ways." RE6 sold roughly 5 million as was deemed a failure. Dead Space 3 was set to sales expectations of over five million just to consider continuing the franchise. You might as well include Tomb Raider in this list. Or any other SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEENIX title that was "disappointing."

How else would you define a failure, than by a product not fulfilling it's designated aim?

"5.000.000" sounds like a really big number Lots of zeroes in it. But it's useless without the context of the publishing party being disappointed with it. If Microsoft will be disappointed with Xbone sales, I will just as comfortably call it a failure, even if it will have even more than 5.000.000 sales.

And there is a reason why I didn't include Tomb Raider: Because it was generally well-received, and partially praised by critics and gamers for it's direction. I wasn't just listing a random list of financially failed games, but focused on ones that received venomous attacks from their core audience for going in a COD-wannabe direction.

Can you actually demonstrate it's the hardcore base that's shunning these games? I'm betting you can't, because that would be an impressive feat. Not quite the saga of Hercules, but it would be impressive nonetheless.

More than impressive, impossible. I could cite specific forum threads bashing Syndicate and Dead Space 3, and you could just declare those people too casual to really count. For that matter, you could as well claim that since Resi6 is a hardcore game", you consider everyone who bought it hardcore by default.

Neither could I even "prove" that hardcore gamers hate the Xbone.

No discussion about arbitrarily defined market demographics, and sensed opinions, can rely on empirical proof. You have made our own claims about "the average Escapist", and I have assumed in good faith that you are trying to describe a sensed trend. If you can't even go along with the statement that the average Escapist hates it when frachises get COD-ified, then there is not much room for discussion here.

Even if someone on an online forum crying "boycott" would be an ineffective way of predicting failure, it would hardly be a countereffective way, so that you can use it as an inndicator predicting success.

This is like saying "Last time my magic 8 Ball said that the Republicans would win the election and they still lost, and this time it says the same that they will win, therefore I think that they will lose again."

It's more like saying "Gamers have demonstrated they will buy anyway, and even Entitled's claims demonstrate games that sold pretty damn well like Resident Evil 6, so I have a foundation for a speculative opinion that it will sell well."

I'm not seeing it. Saying that "boycotts are an indicator predicting success", is a lot more similar to my own generic analogy, than your own counterexample that includes elements that we haven't even been discussing when you were making your original statement.

The point is, that your "speculative opinion" relies entirely on the idea that boycotts are an idicator of success.

"My friend's list if full of such hypocrites regarding Call of Duty, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age. For this reason alone, I think the Xbone will sell well."

That's such a blatant logical fallacy, that I'm not even sure that it has a name. It's related to the beief that "absence of evidence is evidence of absence", and also to "Correlation proves causation".

You are right about one thing, though. Even if the Xbone sells well, it won't be because of my opinion on the matter. My opinion exists regardless of any future data gathered on sales. It's speculation, as this thread asked for.

We could also "speculate" that the Xbone will sell badly because it is released in '13 which is an unlucky number, or that it will sell well, because the 360 also outsold the (other) Xbox 1, therefore linear growth.

There are speculations, and then there are horribly illogical speculations. Yours is the latter.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

I can't see why any reasonable, informed gamer would buy this piece of anticonsumer shit. However, I'm sure that there are loads of parents and grandparents who don't know anything about games and don't care to learn, and who will buy it just because Junior wants the vidya for his birthday or whatever, so it might do okay at first. My hope is that when they find out about the mandatory corporate webcam they just installed in their kid's bedroom, they'll take it right back.

 

[Kuilui]

You know normally I'd just say it'll sell well just because the people who bother reading about all the DRM and stuff are a small minority in the grand scheme of things. That said I think it really depends on the games I hate to say it. If it's got great games most people will completely ignore everything else. If its games aren't as good as PS4 exclusives or come out less frequently then PS4 then most people will go PS4 I'm sure. Of course I believe sales loss will be there because a lot of people don't have a frequent internet connection, the military won't be buying them because most of the time they don't even have internet or it's very choppy and the people who actually can't afford new games and like to loan and trade wont be buying. I know people in all those categories who own a 360 and are passing on Xbox one.

Of course I'm sure many people will buy it without a clue about the internet checks or the used games, loaning,Kinect and all that other wonderful stuff. Then when they find out the hard way they'll probably trade it in for a PS4. So it'll sell decent in America I'm sure at first until the people who aren't in the know and find out the hard way start spreading the word about all the Xbox ones great features(again sarcasm). As for the rest of the world, seems Microsoft didn't really have anything in place for them so far. Unless the NFL is really huge in Europe or something. So I'm guessing it won't sell to well over there..

 

[Mr.Mattress]

My belief is that the XBone will be the least selling console this generation, as well as the slowest seller, and in a very distant third compared to Sony and Nintendo. However, my Guesstimates are between 50-80 Million Units. I guess you could consider that fine sales, but certainly not as fine compared to the XBox and 360.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

The Xbone will probably sell better than the 360. Make no mistake, those of us who are upset about the things MS is doing are the vocal minority. Key word there, is "MINORITY". Complaining that the Xbox isn't catering to the core gamer is pointless because we aren't the ones driving sales and therefore profit. We are the ones with the most passion, but the CoD market, the Madden market, and the people they get with the early access to DLC for those games are the ones they are worried about. Not us.

So yeah, it'll sell just fine.

This disembodied head speaks the truth! No matter how much we complain about it, we will be drowned out by the majority. My guess is that the stuff Microsoft is doing with the One won't be noticed or simply tolerated by most. Some people may even try and defend it. I know plenty of people who will defend XBL despite it being an utter sham. The One will, despite our kicking and screaming, sell well. Possibly better than the 360 did.

 

[RJ 17]

I'd say no. My brother and a few of my friends aren't nearly what anyone would consider "hardcore gamers", and even they don't really want to buy it. Apparently even casual consumers have heard about the Kinect and what it'll be doing and it creeps them out. I know that's pretty much my #1 reason for not planning to get one.

 

[Gearhead mk2]

The quality of something seems to be directly proportional to how well it sells, so the worse it gets, the bigger it's returns will be. See Twilight and Chris Brown. Given how the Xbone couldn't possibly get any worse, I imagne it'll single-handedly make Microsoft a superpower. I don't like that, but I can't help but feel that's how it's gonna turn out.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I voted yes.
Too many people will be naive to the DRM etc until it's too late n the purchase has been made

 

[Smiley Face]

I suspect it'll have problems. We've already heard a lot about how with the saturation of tablets and mobile gaming and whatnot, your standard casual consumer is less likely to buy a massively expensive console (particularly if there aren't a torrent of games available at launch). Add onto that the unlikeliness that those with a console will buy in the first year-and-a-bit before there's a good number of next-gen exclusives, then add the fact that the PS4 will likely be cheaper, which will make all the difference to your casual consumer, THEN add on the DRM and other stuff, which makes all the difference to your non-casual consumer, and I'd say that the Xbone may be in for big trouble unless they make a significant change in their strategy.