Poll: If your country was invaded, would you join a resistance?

[jdun]

With the exception of the USA, even democratic country can be brutal to the country that conquered.

What makes America so special that they 'can't' be 'brutal' to an invaded country?

You are sort of implying that all other democratic countries, or some at least, treat civilians poorly / harshly when they invade. This being the case, would be able to provide any examples?

P.S. Oh yeah, and I'll just throw Guantanamo Bay and the Iraqi prison scandal out there...

Try reading history or watching the news once in a while. Guantanamo Bay and Iraqi Prison Scandal is nothing. In fact in you if you compare the two to history or other countries are doing. Those prisoner are treated well.

 

[jdun]

Gosh, I find it interesting how many people wouldn't defend their country because of personal issues with the government. I just don't think anyone who would invade a country (most likely by force) would be better than whatever government the country previously had.

Usually, I think, because invaders never really care nearly as much about the countries they conquered as they do about their own. It's usually all about the resources.

But, on point.
I'm fairly athletic but wouldn't make a good soldier. Poor eyesight makes me a poor shot. But I would happily be a courier, a tunneler of goods, and maybe even let my house be a safe haven for other resistant members.
There would be risks involved but risks I would, hopefully!, be brave enough to take.

It depends on who is the invader. If the USA invade a country that is ruled by a tyrant than the majority of the population including their military won't put up much of a fight. That because they know
1. The new government that will be form will be democratic.
2. Those that got brutalized by the tyrant will be in power.
3. No need to die for the tyrant
4. Fast food, Wal-Mart, Disney, etc will be imported to their country.
5. Their culture will not change.

However if a tyrant invading another country this will mostly happen.
1. Slave
2. Genocide

Unless you're blind you do not need perfect vision to be a good shooter. It help but not necessary because most engagement will be 100 yards or less.

you're joking, right? the US NOT changing another country's culture? they do that even without starting a war, and I seriously doubt sending a few thousand soldiers is going to improve that. your view on the matter seems really naive and simplistic...

Tell me did the culture of the USA change when we imported Japanese goods? Do we speak Japanese?

Did the culture of the USA changed when we imported Chinese products? Almost every product that we bought comes from China. Did American culture changed? Do American speak Chinese?

Importing and exporting goods does not change cultures.

culture isn't synonymous with language! and yes, it DID! ever heard of chinatown? how about all those people obsessed with anime and manga? that's Japanese culture right there. What about Final Fantasy? Nintendo or Sony, anyone? those are Japanese companies. and outsourcing industries to China doesn't change American culture, it changes Chinese culture. and maybe you don't speak Chinese, but your English isn't exactly good either.

Did US culture change when kids read Japanese book? Did US culture change with every major city having a Chinatown? Did US culture change where ever shopping center have a Chinese Restaurant? No it didn't. What changed is that we have more choices. We can eat Mexican, Japanese, Russian, etc. and yet we kept our culture.

 

[jdun]

4. Fast food, Wal-Mart, Disney, etc will be imported to their country.
5. Their culture will not change.

Those two points are mutually exclusive. If you have 4, that will effect the culture of the country.

OT: I'd probably resist. I'd be shite at it, but I'd make life difficult with the invaders. Not sure how, but I'd find a way.

I don't see how culture will change? It's not like Japan, Russia, China, etc culture changed because they are importing America product. Did American culture changed when we buy Chinese made goods? No. Did American culture change when we import Japanese made goods? No.

Like someone else has already said, its changed cultures. Globalisation does that. Did American culture change when you imported Chinese and Japanese products? Ofcourse it did! Culture is wide ranging, and involves everything from the media, societal values, to what stuff you buy.

No it didn't. Tell me are you wearing Chinese/Japanese traditional clothing? No. Do you know anything any thing about Chinese/Japanese cultures? No or very little and most of it probably from second hand. Do you know Chinese/Japanese history? No. Do American speak Chinese/Japanese? No. Do Americans diet made out Chinese/Japanese food? No. The list goes on.

Globalization doesn't change cultures. Globalization give people choices.

 

[Floppertje]

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Did US culture change when kids read Japanese book? Did US culture change with every major city having a Chinatown? Did US culture change where ever shopping center have a Chinese Restaurant? No it didn't. What changed is that we have more choices. We can eat Mexican, Japanese, Russian, etc. and yet we kept our culture.

'your culture' is a mix of other people's cultures anyway (salad bowl. look it up). that's what happens when you're a nation of immigrants.
I've studied the subject enough to know that you are dead wrong. globalization DOES change cultures. they didn't just make up the term 'disneyfication' because they were bored you know... also, you need to look up what 'hegemony' means, that explains why US culture doesn't seem to change that much.
I am curious though, where did you get your wisdom? what do you study? how old are you anyway?

 

[Baradiel]

4. Fast food, Wal-Mart, Disney, etc will be imported to their country.
5. Their culture will not change.

Those two points are mutually exclusive. If you have 4, that will effect the culture of the country.

OT: I'd probably resist. I'd be shite at it, but I'd make life difficult with the invaders. Not sure how, but I'd find a way.

I don't see how culture will change? It's not like Japan, Russia, China, etc culture changed because they are importing America product. Did American culture changed when we buy Chinese made goods? No. Did American culture change when we import Japanese made goods? No.

Like someone else has already said, its changed cultures. Globalisation does that. Did American culture change when you imported Chinese and Japanese products? Ofcourse it did! Culture is wide ranging, and involves everything from the media, societal values, to what stuff you buy.

No it didn't. Tell me are you wearing Chinese/Japanese traditional clothing? No. Do you know anything any thing about Chinese/Japanese cultures? No or very little and most of it probably from second hand. Do you know Chinese/Japanese history? No. Do American speak Chinese/Japanese? No. Do Americans diet made out Chinese/Japanese food? No. The list goes on.

Globalization doesn't change cultures. Globalization give people choices.

I could explain explain why you're wrong, but it would simply be repeating what other people have said, and I'm distracted watching the Eurovision, so I'll just quote this guy;

'your culture' is a mix of other people's cultures anyway (salad bowl. look it up). that's what happens when you're a nation of immigrants.
I've studied the subject enough to know that you are dead wrong. globalization DOES change cultures. they didn't just make up the term 'disneyfication' because they were bored you know... also, you need to look up what 'hegemony' means, that explains why US culture doesn't seem to change that much.
I am curious though, where did you get your wisdom? what do you study? how old are you anyway?

 

[fingerbang143]

Probably not. I'm living here for the time being, but I'm already looking at my options in other countries post-graduation. So I would probably just leave. Also, I have neither the physical fitness nor the desire to join an army of any kind. Pacifist bordering on total hippy, you see.

well you probably can't "just leave"

 

[Baradiel]

With the exception of the USA, even democratic country can be brutal to the country that conquered.

What makes America so special that they 'can't' be 'brutal' to an invaded country?

You are sort of implying that all other democratic countries, or some at least, treat civilians poorly / harshly when they invade. This being the case, would be able to provide any examples?

P.S. Oh yeah, and I'll just throw Guantanamo Bay and the Iraqi prison scandal out there...

Try reading history or watching the news once in a while. Guantanamo Bay and Iraqi Prison Scandal is nothing. In fact in you if you compare the two to history or other countries are doing. Those prisoner are treated well.

Vietnam, particularly the Strategic Hamlet program.
Laos, bombing civilians
CIA-Led coup of several Central and Latin American countries which installed repressive regimes which executed thousands.
Cambodia between 1969 and 1975
Indonesia coup, led by the CIA, kills hundreds of thousands.

There more, alot more, but like I've already said I'm watching Eurovision (arguably the worst crime ever committed by humanity).

Perhaps you should read up on your history and watch some news other than Fox News. America has done alot of harm to alot of people, and trying to convince yourself otherwise makes you look like an idiot.

 

[Inkidu]

Probably not. I'm living here for the time being, but I'm already looking at my options in other countries post-graduation. So I would probably just leave. Also, I have neither the physical fitness nor the desire to join an army of any kind. Pacifist bordering on total hippy, you see.

Agreed, violence is not the answer. Where you can reason with, or just make life difficult for, an occupying force without actually killing them, that's probably better for the people in your immediate surroundings.

I do, however, have a homemade railgun in my shed in case of zombies...

Don't believe that damned lie. Violence is a perfectly acceptable answer to a lot of things.

I'm sure the Romans would disagree with you forthwith.

 

[himemiya1650]

I live in Canada, and it would be a logistical and financial nightmare to invade us. It's surrounded by 3 oceans, it has a ton of land and it's either flat or icy. If they do they'll get timber and potash.

 

[TiloXofXTanto]

Can you add a "maybe, but only if..." option to the poll, because there are many factors involved with such hostile takeovers, and a simple yes or no isn't always the case.
Especially considering the myriad number of countries, dictators, and random rebel factions that might have invaded one's country.

I would likely only join the resistance were the invaders not satisfied with their conquest and were terrible imperialistic/elitist assholes that treated the citizens of their conquered land like dirt and raped the land for all its benefits.

If the invaders were like the Mongols in that they rather benevolently and intelligently (for a while anyway) ran their countries conquests, I'd probably just help with the rebuilding under the new rule.

 

[Inkidu]

America could do it. All your major population centers are right on the border. It's just easier to trade for our moose, timber, and potash.

 

[DRSH1989]

I'm pretty sure that the people who voted Yes are mostly from countries such as the US, UK, France, Germany or in any case... highly developed countries. I voted No. If I lived in a country worth defending sure... but not my case .

 

[Icaruss]

Depends...If they were cool about and treated us like decently like we're human beings i probably would't give a shit.If they went all Gastvpo(however the fucks thats spelled) and started tosing baby of high places, i think i'd more or less have to join the resistance.Then promptly be the first guy to be shot.

 

[TiloXofXTanto]

MEGA SNIP

I'm sorry sir, you do realize that culture is a national (not necessarily specific to a country but, simply by definition, specific to a nation [look up the definition of both before you say they're the same thing]) thing that changes through contact with other cultures, but that normally does not completely assimilate into the other culture.

Korea used to be owned by Japan, did their culture change? Yes, drastically.
China currently owns (and has repeatedly owned) Tibet, did Tibetan culture change? Hell yes, their Buddhist temples kind of hierarchically collapsed when a majority of the prominent Buddhist monks were exiled by the communist anti-religion regimes of China.
America has owned Hawaii for quite a long time now... You ever see old journals written by European explorers of Hawaiian culture that include them inviting the explorers to their gigantic 5-star hotels with "authentic Hawaiian food"?

You ever see a McDonald's in a country that wasn't America? If you say no, then you've never been out of America, because that AMERICAN-based food chain is everywhere.
Jeans? No one thought Jeans were cool until American Teenagers started thinking so, then the price of Jeans SKY-ROCKETED in the Soviet Union, because the Soviets said they couldn't have any, because the Americans liked them.

Those are pretty noticeable and relatively recent culture changes that wouldn't have happened without some degree of globalization.

Also, I'd like to point out that "change" and "Replacement" are two different things.

 

[godofgamers]

Depends if they're less corrupt and full of crap than the ANC. If not, then I'd evaluate which would be easier to overthrow when they're in power, and side with that one.

 

[fooddood3]

Yes. First, my country would likely laugh it's rear end off at an invasion on the united states(may I introduce you to a magical thing called a "history book"), then teach you the same lesson we taught Britain, Mexico, Germany, Japan, Germany again, and Al Queida(eat it, Osama).

Rule #1 of history: Don't attack America. Rule #2 Don't invade Russia in winter.

Canada would like a word about the first white house, and Washington DC for that matter, something about flammability?

[edit] also come to think of it, Britain never invaded the US, nor did Germany or Japan for that matter. Hell Germany never even attacked the mainland US bar the odd submarine roaming your coastline.

Britain invaded the US during the war of 1812, Germany tried to organize an invasion of America with Mexico's assistance, and Japan occupied a few Alaskan islands.

 

[lcyw20]

Hate to burst your bubble, Kpt._Rob, but the Canadians recently voted conservative, so if they did invade the US, and were successful, chances are they won't be too different.

 

[lcyw20]

It does depend on who is invading, under what circumstances, and how, and if I feel brave. I honest can't tell you until the day that happens, touch wood.

 

[Axolotl]

With the exception of the USA, even democratic country can be brutal to the country that conquered.

While America always brings the sweet taste of freedom!

 

[Digikid]

No. I do not resort to physical violence of any kind. If they want it so bad they can have it. Just leave me be and we will get along just fine.