Poll: Infinity Ward screws over PC gamers, AGAIN.

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DexterNorgam

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Techno Squidgy said:
Today I discovered that the dedicated servers promised to PC gamers for MW3 have not been what everyone expected. Dedicated servers will be unranked only. This means that if you wish to level up and make any kind of progress you have to use IWNet, the matchmaking service introduced in MW2.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

The reason most of us wanted Dedicated servers is so that we can enjoy the game with a regular group of people, in a low ping environment, with the settings how we like them. While it's true that you can still do this, it's a moot point because you make NO PROGRESS while doing this. I don't want to have to play with a bunch of random people I don't know, across someone's inevitably terrible broadband connection, with no admins, just so I can level up.

So PC gamers, I ask you, Will you be getting MW3 in light of this news?

I for one, will be cancelling my pre-order if this doesn't change.
If I don't buy it, it's because I'm pretty much over FPS's until I see something original being offered.

That said, I have to ask, why should a private match allow you to progress? Whats the point of having progress tracked by lvls and leaderboards if people will be able to game system with regards to them in private matches?

Sorry bro, no pity here. You can do like the rest of us and make progress against random players with your inevitably terrible broadband connection, or cry about it on a forum and not buy the game. Oh well, one less person for me to shoot. There will be plenty others I'm sure.
 
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Yup, sure does feel good to be a console gamer right about now.


Ehhhhhyup.

Oh, WHAT? Don't even start. I have EARNED some smug arrogance after all the crap you PC gamers have given me.

PS: The fact that you have access to videogames means that you forfeit your right to complain about anything, ever. Get some perspective.
 

Adam Jensen_v1legacy

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Who cares about leaderboards on PC anyway? You'll be able to level up on dedicated servers. You just won't have your K/D ratio recorded. Which doesn't matter one bit.
 

Techno Squidgy

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stefman said:
you do understand why they did this? It would be like if console gamers could gain experience through private matches. If you can alter the settings of a match then you have an unfair advantage and it makes boosting so easy. not to say you will boost, but i think after the crapton of "MW2 isn't balanced" claims, It seems like they are trying to appeal to every audience and every opinion. They are screwed no matter what they do because SOMEONE will not like the choice they make. This just seems like something very insignificant to boycott a game for. If you want to play with friends on a dedicated server, you can, but you have to use matchmaking to level up. That seems fair to me. If you enjoy the MW series enough to want to buy it then just buy it and enjoy it. You aren't going to like everything about the game and as soon as you accept that you will probably enjoy the game alot more by reducing your expectations from "this game needs to have everything i want" to "There are things i like and things i don't like, but i'll just focus on the positives of this game and enjoy it for what it is." I'm not trying to be insulting or condescending, it's just if you always expect a game to have everything you want, it can never live up to it and you will be disappointed with every game you play. That's just my opinion though so take it for what it is. Holy crap that went way longer than i wanted... sorry lol
I understand why they did this. By why not just leave it like in CoD4. There it was all dedicated servers and it worked just fine, and everybody was happy.
 

stefman

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Techno Squidgy said:
stefman said:
you do understand why they did this? It would be like if console gamers could gain experience through private matches. If you can alter the settings of a match then you have an unfair advantage and it makes boosting so easy. not to say you will boost, but i think after the crapton of "MW2 isn't balanced" claims, It seems like they are trying to appeal to every audience and every opinion. They are screwed no matter what they do because SOMEONE will not like the choice they make. This just seems like something very insignificant to boycott a game for. If you want to play with friends on a dedicated server, you can, but you have to use matchmaking to level up. That seems fair to me. If you enjoy the MW series enough to want to buy it then just buy it and enjoy it. You aren't going to like everything about the game and as soon as you accept that you will probably enjoy the game alot more by reducing your expectations from "this game needs to have everything i want" to "There are things i like and things i don't like, but i'll just focus on the positives of this game and enjoy it for what it is." I'm not trying to be insulting or condescending, it's just if you always expect a game to have everything you want, it can never live up to it and you will be disappointed with every game you play. That's just my opinion though so take it for what it is. Holy crap that went way longer than i wanted... sorry lol
I understand why they did this. By why not just leave it like in CoD4. There it was all dedicated servers and it worked just fine, and everybody was happy.
I think it's just because CoD is viewed differently than it was at CoD 4. There is a much larger fanbase and it is much more competitive. People are always looking to cheat, boost, or find an easy exploit to be better than everyone else so IW has to be very careful about potential cheaters and balancing issues. I wish people weren't dicks in CoD but unfortunately... roll with the punches :(
 

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bit_crusherrr said:
Athinira said:
bit_crusherrr said:
Athinira said:
There is no way that Infinity Ward can allow dedicated servers run by players to be ranked.
You say that like it hasn't happened in previous games.
It was never a good idea to begin with, and time has not sweetened it.
I take it you don't play PC games then.
Just because someone doesn't share your perspective, doesn't mean they have less experience in the field being argued. My only consoles is an Xbox (the old big black monster) and my iPod Touch. I've been a PC gamer since i was 6 years old, which is 17 years. Like a wise man once said: Assumptions is the mother of all f*ckups.

Listen. If you want to run ANY kind of ranking system, then it is always going to be a necessity to have common rules for the way points are scored, otherwise the system is meaningless. Once you leave the rules (read: the gameplay-terms) in the hands of others, and everyone starts using different rules for the games, the rankings become meaningless, because you're essentially not playing the same game anymore. And that's not counting the fact that the "alternative" hosts might not keep up the security standards that prevents cheating or tampering with the system.

Now you could argue that the system itself is more or less irrelevant in the big picture of the gameplay (as in: "who cares if people boosts or cheats somehow to improve their ranking, it's not like improving your ranking is hard anyway or means anything."). That is in fact a very reasonable argument to make, and i personally don't care if people get rankings faster than i do somehow. The thing about this argument though is that it also defeats the complaint OP makes about how this is "unacceptable". If rankings are so easy to attain, then why complain that you can't do it on dedicated servers? Just play some games on normal servers and get it up. On the other hand, if rankings are hard to get or take a lot of time to get, then the developers obviously intended them to not be served on a silver platter, in which case the concern of boosting being a problem suddenly becomes valid, and it becomes much easier to understand why the developers would want to keep the ranking system limited to their own servers.

At the end of the day, it's like complaining that earning Single Player achievements in StarCraft II aren't possible when playing in offline mode. You can argue that the single player achievements are meaningless (people typically focus on the competitive aka. multi-player area), and people "cheating" themself to them in offline mode doesn't really matter since it's just useless avatars on a character profile. But at the end of the day it's very understandable why Blizzard wants to keep the integrity of the system 100%, even for the Single Player part, and i understand why Infinity Ward wants to keep the same integrity for the online part of their system.
 

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Well, I won't buy until it's on sale... for a price that I think the game I worth.. and when this happens nobody will play it anymore (mainly because the sequel came out...). I kinda understand their decision, but I guess there will always be someone who's butthurt because they think they are the one that got screwed over.

Come on guys, hate threads are soooo last year. Where are the constructive criticism threads?
 

PonceyMcTosserFaic

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ElektroNeko said:
First of all: FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.

Second: You know you'll still buy it when it comes out right?
this ^

we are the only country that would whine about stupid bullshit like this.

second is also true.
 

LetalisK

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DrStupid87 said:
Remember when a bunch of people signed a petition to get IW to get dedicated PC servers for MW2? That did nothing either. I'm converting to Xbox. Not that it will make a difference finding dedicated servers but because I can avoid hackers a hell of a lot more than on the PC.
You'd think that would be the case, but it's sadly not. I've ran into more hackers since I converted over to consoles, but that also has something to do with how much support a game is given on the console platforms. For example, at least recently, MW2 is pretty hack free. But put in a MW1 disc and it's damn near unplayable because of all the hackers. It really blows my mind.
 

Sonicron

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You actually expected things to change for the ultimate best because a disgruntled minority of paying customers is (admittedly rightly) mad at the crapfest that is P2P matchmaking?

 

MoNKeyYy

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Techno Squidgy said:
NO PROGRESS
You're doing it wrong.

Video games are about having fun, exploring yourself and the human condition, creating an experience and enjoying it. The fact that you need some stupid XP bar to move forward every time you play a game is a very clear indicator that you don't care if the experience is fun or thought provoking or any of that, you just care that you can flex your gamer cock and say "yo bro, ma KDR is like 4.62 and I have eighth prestige and 22 nukes, what now *****!".

Look mate, do yourself a favor and re-evaluate why you play games. Or why you do anything for that matter. Or pick up a better game. That works too.
 

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Techno Squidgy said:
While it's true that you can still do this...
I'd think you'd end it right there and realize how silly this all is, given there were NO dedicated servers just one iteration ago.
 

bit_crusherrr

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Tell you what I hope with BF3 coming out so close to MW3 this time PC gamers don't buy it for once.

PonceyMcTosserFaic said:
ElektroNeko said:
First of all: FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.

Second: You know you'll still buy it when it comes out right?
this ^

we are the only country that would whine about stupid bullshit like this.

second is also true.
I had no idea I wasn't entitled to complain about something stupid just because I'm not starving in Africa.
 

Techno Squidgy

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MoNKeyYy said:
you just care that you can flex your gamer cock and say "yo bro, ma KDR is like 4.62 and I have eighth prestige and 22 nukes, what now *****!"
Excuse me, but that is not the reason I play games at all. Frankly, I'm quite offended.

I'm not going to lie, I do greatly enjoy the ranking system because as well as the in the moment experience of each game, I get a feeling of greater accomplishment. The rank system, allows me to unlock new weapons, perks, killstreaks yadda yadda yadda which all enable me to experience something different each match.

You're right, I don't play CoD Online for a thought provoking experience. It's not designed to be that way, I play other games for that.

Don't be so quick to judge. I'm pissed off because what was shaping up to be one of the better instalments in the series has been revealed to be just a lie to get PC gamers back on side.
 

GryffinDarkBreed

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Techno Squidgy said:
Today I discovered that the dedicated servers promised to PC gamers for MW3 have not been what everyone expected. Dedicated servers will be unranked only. This means that if you wish to level up and make any kind of progress you have to use IWNet, the matchmaking service introduced in MW2.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

The reason most of us wanted Dedicated servers is so that we can enjoy the game with a regular group of people, in a low ping environment, with the settings how we like them. While it's true that you can still do this, it's a moot point because you make NO PROGRESS while doing this. I don't want to have to play with a bunch of random people I don't know, across someone's inevitably terrible broadband connection, with no admins, just so I can level up.

So PC gamers, I ask you, Will you be getting MW3 in light of this news?

I for one, will be cancelling my pre-order if this doesn't change.
I approve of this. Wanna rank up? Get off your custom server rule bullshit, play the game as it was engineered by the fucking developers. No you don't know game balance better than they do. Yes, you had best stop modding and aimbotting. Suck my left testicle, because why should you get any preferential treatment to anybody else, especially considering a significant PIRATE entity existing in the PC market. If you want to rank up, you'd best actually -buy- the game. You don't think IW.Net wont force your game to run a checksum of your game files, and validate your key each time you log on? Hah!

Cry Soem Moar.
 

GryffinDarkBreed

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PonceyMcTosserFaic said:
ElektroNeko said:
First of all: FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS.

Second: You know you'll still buy it when it comes out right?
this ^

we are the only country that would whine about stupid bullshit like this.

second is also true.
Because. y'know, fuck all of Europe, Russia, Japan, Mexico, Canada and every other country where this game is sold, and performs relatively well.