What the hell do you mean by "wannabe anarchist?" I consider myself an anarchist.
What is your personal conception of anarchy?
What is your personal conception of anarchy?
Poll: Is it culturally acceptable to steal from walmart?
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It wouldn't be any less self-sustaining than the current global economy is now. Money is a lie and the majority of "existing" money is only in electronic form. Then on top of that the tiny percentage of the money that exists as cash has absolutely nothing representing its value.theultimateend said:Most political philosophers are pretty much agree'd that you can't have anarchy.
Not because its wrong but just the regular activities of humans would lead to some sort of state (even if you didn't call it one).
Unless we want to create fantasy environments where bad people don't exist then 'maybe', but realistically it wouldn't be self sustaining.
Money is money because governments tell us it is. The fact that I have to pay money not only for substances necessary to sustain my life, but for substances that are part of my very composition is wrong and insane.
Personally, I wouldn't steal from any of those massive stores, mostly 'cause I don't have the balls, but frankly I don't care when my friends do- unless it's in a situation which directly jeopardizes an employee's job. A mate of my brother's nearly lost his job at K-mart because a chick had the audacity to steal a DVD player when he momentarily turned away from the counter. That gives the boss someone to blame directly, as opposed to when someone's actually subtle about it and there was really no one could do about it unless they just happened to be looking.
I dunno, that's how i see it, but most of my life outlooks don't make a lot of sense.
I dunno, that's how i see it, but most of my life outlooks don't make a lot of sense.
Well, stealing from a Walmart is bad, just as stealing from anywhere else is bad. There's not really anything about Walmart that would render it exempt from that...
While I appreciate the even more metaphysical explanation that you are propping up the same can be said about absolutely anything. Everything is worth what people will pay for it (money being no different). My point was that almost no company that lives for profit can out perform those that provide the same goods and live for quality goods and good customer report.CaptainEgypt said:It wouldn't be any less self-sustaining than the current global economy is now. Money is a lie and the majority of "existing" money is only in electronic form. Then on top of that the tiny percentage of the money that exists as cash has absolutely nothing representing its value.theultimateend said:Most political philosophers are pretty much agree'd that you can't have anarchy.
Not because its wrong but just the regular activities of humans would lead to some sort of state (even if you didn't call it one
Unless we want to create fantasy environments where bad people don't exist then 'maybe', but realistically it wouldn't be self sustaining.
Money is money because governments tell us it is. The fact that I have to pay money not only for substances necessary to sustain my life, but for substances that are part of my very composition is wrong and insane.
Exceptions being those that militantly destroy their customers and frankly they are just extending what is a failed strategy. I like to think of most modern mega corporations strategies as Hitler'esque in the effect that they seem to work out in the short term but eventually you lose and you lose hard. Albeit for some people that short term is "Until they die" which I suppose is about as 'term' as some people care about
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stealing varies from situation from situation. stealing is stealing? nazis pillaging as they go is the same as robin hood? its wrong, yes, but if you MUST steal, i suppose wal-mart is the place to do it. unless the games were EA or atari, then its a public service as long as he set them on fire instead of letting them defile a computer.
Apparently many shoplifters are too crafty for Wal-Mart security. Who'd have thought?PumpItUp said:
Stealing from a major corporation is not "Sticking it to the man". They will have a stocktake after which they will note their losses and then put the prices up on their more popular items by a marginal amount.
I.E. "We lost 500,000 this year due to shoplifting" Lets raise the price of baked beans 1 cent a can. 1 cent doesn't seem like much but lets say they sell one hundred million cans per year (thats less than .3 of a can per year per american)From that 1 cent increase they make a further One million dollars from baked beans that year. 500,000 in profit after taking into account their theft losses. (I realise this is very simplified but whatever)
So steal from Walmart if you want you will only give them an excuse to make more money, In effect stealing from them makes them richer (way to go anarchy boy)
P.S. most people who advocate anarchism as a political ideal would be dead within the first day of it's implementation as organised crime (mafia,yakuza,whatever) would take over the second an organised government/police force/Army was outlawed.
I.E. "We lost 500,000 this year due to shoplifting" Lets raise the price of baked beans 1 cent a can. 1 cent doesn't seem like much but lets say they sell one hundred million cans per year (thats less than .3 of a can per year per american)From that 1 cent increase they make a further One million dollars from baked beans that year. 500,000 in profit after taking into account their theft losses. (I realise this is very simplified but whatever)
So steal from Walmart if you want you will only give them an excuse to make more money, In effect stealing from them makes them richer (way to go anarchy boy)
P.S. most people who advocate anarchism as a political ideal would be dead within the first day of it's implementation as organised crime (mafia,yakuza,whatever) would take over the second an organised government/police force/Army was outlawed.
This thread has officially become ironic. Today, a man attempted to walk out of the store with two, count 'em, two computers! I'm serious, he tried leaving the store with two large computer boxes in his cart!CaptainEgypt said:
Security didn't even need to try, this guy wrapped himself and stuck a big bow on his head. Some people... *facepalm*
Honestly, I hate massive corporations like Wal-Mart for a number of reasons. But the thing is that if you steal a game from Wal-Mart, you're just as well stealing it from the developer. One could argue that Wal-Mart "deserves" to be stolen from, but nobody can say that a company that works hard to create entertainment for you deserves anything of the sort.
So if your friend tries to justify stealing from Wal-Mart with the fact that he's trying to hurt the big corporations, let him know that he's stepping on the smaller guys to do it.
So if your friend tries to justify stealing from Wal-Mart with the fact that he's trying to hurt the big corporations, let him know that he's stepping on the smaller guys to do it.
Culturally acceptable is a word that needs to be burnt.
Acceptable is the phrase you were looking for
Acceptable is the phrase you were looking for
i whole heartedly agree with this statement!fullmetalangel said:
i don't know why people are so obsessed with rules as regards to stealing from a corporate industry. i'd have a much bigger problem with it if it were individual stealing, but honestly it's not like wal-mart or other outlets are going to close down because of goods removed improperly.
then again people here have no soul and fear everything beyond the scope of society and law, so everything that is popular or declared by law is the TRUE and RIGHT and ONLY way to live.
When I worked there in high school, I stole stuff all the time. Most of my CDs were edited because that's all Wal-Mart sold. But when I got fired for stealing, I was actually INNOCENT! Someone else stole something and said I was an accomplise. I mean, if they'd have just watched me more closely they could have caught me and busted me legitimately, but just because some other jerk got greedy and ended up getting caught, I'm on the "never to be hired again" list!
(And to ease some concience here, this was before Wal-Mart was being monitored closely, and I was a teenager working more than 40 hours a week, made to work a lot off the clock and other OSHA violations. I just jacked a few CDs to keep the will of not blowing up a clocktower or something.)
(And to ease some concience here, this was before Wal-Mart was being monitored closely, and I was a teenager working more than 40 hours a week, made to work a lot off the clock and other OSHA violations. I just jacked a few CDs to keep the will of not blowing up a clocktower or something.)
Stealing is wrong, it's that simple, it can be justified, but if your friend is doing it to 'get back at the evil Walmart' I assume he's then selling everything he steals and donating the money to charity?
Or is he stealing just because he doesn't want to pay for it?
Again, even a homeless starving person stealing food from a store, its wrong, but its justified.
Or is he stealing just because he doesn't want to pay for it?
Again, even a homeless starving person stealing food from a store, its wrong, but its justified.