Poll: Is this feminism or just fucking madness? (Male and Female opinions appreciated)
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That's madness. I'm a feminist (To a degree) and so is my wife, and she also feels that this is just madness.
Here's what we both agreed on. Obviously feminism is to give women the same rights as men and be seen as equals and not treated differently. So wouldn't run around with things like that showing just be saying "LOOK WE BE DIFFERENT DOWN THERE." Not saying women should try and act like they have a penis, but the point is much like we need to stop dividing people by colours, even in the name of equality, we don't need a reminder of "We're different" when we're trying to say "We're equal."
Also if it's supposed to be some form of empowerment; my wife commented that she doesn't feel wearing that stuff would in any way be empowering but demeaning overall. She feels it'd make her feel more self-conscious. Besides we're perfectly happy with naturism.
Here's what we both agreed on. Obviously feminism is to give women the same rights as men and be seen as equals and not treated differently. So wouldn't run around with things like that showing just be saying "LOOK WE BE DIFFERENT DOWN THERE." Not saying women should try and act like they have a penis, but the point is much like we need to stop dividing people by colours, even in the name of equality, we don't need a reminder of "We're different" when we're trying to say "We're equal."
Also if it's supposed to be some form of empowerment; my wife commented that she doesn't feel wearing that stuff would in any way be empowering but demeaning overall. She feels it'd make her feel more self-conscious. Besides we're perfectly happy with naturism.
That's why I'm putting it up there, surely this crap has nothing to do with feminism. I'm a guy though so how can I give a woman's opinion? Pretty sure that is also part of feminism.Tenmar said:
Honestly I think I would carry a nice dark leather wallet with a majestic phallus impressed across it. It would be symbolic of the penis as an image of prosperity and strength.manythings said:
I don't know. There have been stranger fashion trends in history--codpieces, anyone? Curly toed boots? Those hoods with the long tail thing trailing down from the back? There's nothing really wrong with any of these things, and more power to people if they want to wear them. But if I saw somebody walking down the street wearing a codpiece, curly toed boots, or the 'happy tampon' purse and trying to take it seriously, it would be hard not to laugh.
As a serious piece of fashion, it doesn't appeal to me personally. Don't get me wrong, I like girl parts a lot (I am a 27 year old heterosexual male, after all). But I like them where nature put them, and I like them as part of a whole body. Seeing a disembodied one on a purse doesn't really do anything for me, artistically or otherwise.
At least some people might wear them as a gesture of protest, but I've never really taken the idea of phallic imagery too seriously--yes, things like swords and guns and rocketships and lots of other things are somewhat penis shaped, but but before we attribute this to all kinds of deep-seated psychological causes shouldn't we also acknowledge that Form follows Function? I would like to see someone design thoroughly non-phallic versions of all these things and demonstrate their functional superiority, because unless this can be done in most cases we should at least consider that things are shaped the way they are because that shape is the most useful for the desired function.
One other thing to keep in mind is that humans are very strange creatures, and while we might like to think there is general consensus on a lot of things there really isn't. There are religious groups with millions of followers who worship penises and vaginas and use them in routine rituals. There is a Shinto ceremony where you write prayers on little clay penises and put them all in a shrine, kind of like how at Christian churches you can light prayer candles. There is a fertility festival in Japan where they carry a 9 ft long, 620 lb penis like a float in a parade. A lot of pagan religions made idols and artwork of penises and vaginas that were probably taken just as seriously as we take crucifixes, stars of david, and others today.
The bottom line is, I think those things are a bit weird, and would probably not buy them for anyone I knew. But I would not be at all surprised if there are people in the world who would be totally fine with them and treat them very normally, and I can respect that. Just forgive me a few immature giggles, and if you want to explain it I would be very interested to listen!
As a serious piece of fashion, it doesn't appeal to me personally. Don't get me wrong, I like girl parts a lot (I am a 27 year old heterosexual male, after all). But I like them where nature put them, and I like them as part of a whole body. Seeing a disembodied one on a purse doesn't really do anything for me, artistically or otherwise.
At least some people might wear them as a gesture of protest, but I've never really taken the idea of phallic imagery too seriously--yes, things like swords and guns and rocketships and lots of other things are somewhat penis shaped, but but before we attribute this to all kinds of deep-seated psychological causes shouldn't we also acknowledge that Form follows Function? I would like to see someone design thoroughly non-phallic versions of all these things and demonstrate their functional superiority, because unless this can be done in most cases we should at least consider that things are shaped the way they are because that shape is the most useful for the desired function.
One other thing to keep in mind is that humans are very strange creatures, and while we might like to think there is general consensus on a lot of things there really isn't. There are religious groups with millions of followers who worship penises and vaginas and use them in routine rituals. There is a Shinto ceremony where you write prayers on little clay penises and put them all in a shrine, kind of like how at Christian churches you can light prayer candles. There is a fertility festival in Japan where they carry a 9 ft long, 620 lb penis like a float in a parade. A lot of pagan religions made idols and artwork of penises and vaginas that were probably taken just as seriously as we take crucifixes, stars of david, and others today.
The bottom line is, I think those things are a bit weird, and would probably not buy them for anyone I knew. But I would not be at all surprised if there are people in the world who would be totally fine with them and treat them very normally, and I can respect that. Just forgive me a few immature giggles, and if you want to explain it I would be very interested to listen!
PS, I don't think this discussion is really about feminism at all, but about how all of you have been raised to flush with embarrassment when you see certain body parts.
Look, I understand things like guns, flowers, big sticks ect.... But carry around a large cock or vagina as an accessory is just weird.
Jokes aside, wtf, seriously.
Teh thought that you can change shit with a symbol, even if teh symbol is something as beloved as a vagina, is pretty stupid.
If you want to prove that you're as good as your next man (or whatever else might be the cause, seism, racism, homophobia, aren't that different in this case) just learn to not give a fuck about the people who thinks you're less of a person due to your gender, race, relegion or sexual orientation.
It's hard to respect someone who begs or fights for some assholes aproval, it's easy to respect someone who's confident enough to not give a fuck about what stupid biggots think.
Who cares? Let people buy and wear what they want. Although it doesn't go well as a gift, I guess...
And no, this isn't feminism.
And no, this isn't feminism.
Ant that is wrong how?HSIAMetalKing said:
Is it wrong for some people to value Modesty?
Is it wrong for some people to rather not see certian parts of another Body outside of the bedroom, even if its fake?
I don't get how its wrong.
I couldn't care less if someone wanted to wear something like these but, i am wrong for not wanting to see it?
I don't see men running around the streets wearing dicks and penises... So thats just pure stupidity.
this guy got it rightCanid117 said:
I am a feminist (not some batshit insane "fuck all men") that would be pretty stupid, as I'm a guy.
But seriously, it's these fuckfaces that are giving feminism a bad name
Feminism means simplyfied: no differences between male and female.
which i believe in!
People who go around saying "It is not right to punch a girl"... You know those people right? Well FUCK THEM if I were ever to hurt someone physically seriously, it would not matter if they were a girl or a guy, if they deserve it, they fucking get it.
I also hate those guys protecting women! Whenever i see that, I can't stop thinking that these guys have this idea that women are weak little people who cannot stand up for themselves
and that is true many of the times, not because they are women, but because this is what they are taught.
It
fucking
pisses
me
off!
Let the women stand up for themselves!
do NOT teach them that they are little insignificant people who are made to be protected and please men!
please go ragewar on me
The logical counterpart to overwhelming male imagery is, technically speaking, the progression of feminism. Feminism has taken root in Western civilization, but it hasn't risen to the point of challenging the painfully overwhelming male authority. It's radical feminism, but nevertheless an attempt to shift the balance of power away from the male-dominated culture.