Poll: Is this feminism or just fucking madness? (Male and Female opinions appreciated)

[XT inc]

As an artist I can understand where they are going but the horribly off tinges of color is just unappealing. Its like gangrene set in.

 

[JWAN]

Madness?

This. IS.

VAGINA'S

herm sorry I had to finish it.

really though? REEEALY?
I like vaginaz as much as the next straight guy but I dont want to see the one on your neck. That came out wrong.
Look, I cant word this. Its just wrong. Its like the key chains I bought when I was in South America and they had people in all the sexual positions, I handed them out to my buddy's and a few girls I knew (we were good friends) but you didnt get a close up view of.

Tis be ova da line

 

[Falseprophet]

Not that this stuff is to my taste, but I'm generally cool with anything that demystifies the human body. Then maybe, adults will stop acting like preteens every time they see it.

So.... Can I get a pendant with a giant penis on it?

You could in ancient Rome [http://www.google.ca/images?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enCA366&biw=1025&bih=841&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=roman+phallus&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=].

Oh, look, people still make them [http://www.etsy.com/listing/31468344/naughty-pearl-and-coral-earrings-a-fun?ref=sr_gallery_33&ga_search_query=phallic&ga_search_type=handmade&ga_page=&order=&includes[0]=tags&includes[1]=title].

 

[falconwhitaker]

Personally, I don't like them. I wouldn't want to go around with a model of a vagina hanging around my neck, but nor would I want to go around with a model of a penis hanging around my neck. Sexual organs are ? I think ? nothing to be ashamed of, but they're also something deeply personal and private that you shouldn't just go flaunting around everywhere, even as items on jewellery.

(Me = Genderqueer bio-female)

 

[Alar]

[
this guy got it right
I am a feminist (not some batshit insane "fuck all men") that would be pretty stupid, as I'm a guy.
But seriously, it's these fuckfaces that are giving feminism a bad name
Feminism means simplyfied: no differences between male and female.
which i believe in!
People who go around saying "It is not right to punch a girl"... You know those people right? Well FUCK THEM if I were ever to hurt someone physically seriously, it would not matter if they were a girl or a guy, if they deserve it, they fucking get it.
I also hate those guys protecting women! Whenever i see that, I can't stop thinking that these guys have this idea that women are weak little people who cannot stand up for themselves
and that is true many of the times, not because they are women, but because this is what they are taught.
It
fucking
pisses
me
off!
Let the women stand up for themselves!
do NOT teach them that they are little insignificant people who are made to be protected and please men!

please go ragewar on me

If a woman attacked me, then I would fight back. That said, I still believe it isn't right to hit a lady. Why? To say it was the way I was raised would be a lame excuse. Maybe I do think women, on average, are physically and emotionally less able to protect themselves than men, on average. A man's body is larger, giving him more weight to throw around. I believe we also have larger adrenal glands, and the testosterone probably makes us stupid enough to think we can do things in a fight we shouldn't try, but stupid things that have a small chance of helping us win (even if we do get hurt).

That doesn't mean I wouldn't fight back if a woman attacked me, but I would certainly try to help a woman if I saw her getting attacked. I'd also try to help a man if I saw him getting attacked, or a child.

Let's also keep in mind that not every person (men, women, transgendered, etc.) cannot defend themselves. I'm not going to walk past an alley after seeing a woman getting assaulted just because I assume, "Hey, she's a person. She can defend herself just fine! No problems here." No, I'm going to want to help. Is that a jerk thing of me to do? I personally don't think so.

It would probably help if everyone took self-defense classes. Then again, everyone would probably include jerks who jump people, so it would be a fairly moot point.

 

[Keava]

I think we have different interpretations of my phrase "Settle down" People neeed to relax about the taboo, open their eyes to the differences, embrace people for who they are not who you want them to be. If they don't want to embrace it then atleast let those who live their lives with ideas and thoughts and images in our heads do just that: Live.

Hell I went into accounting and yes, on the job I am more than happy to give my company what the world deems a "Good image" though I'm severely hoping for an employer that understands who I am and that simply because my shirts have decaying troll heads (Finntroll) on them that I'm no lett competant than the idiot sitting next to me in a suit and tie and his thumb jammed so far up his nose that it's the only think keeping his inner lightbulb on.

I think feminist have taken it too far. They say they want equal rights, they want to be treat like everyone else. Somehow, men are supposed to open doors for ladies (because they are equal), women should get tons of pay increases while men don't (because men got them all in the past). We're looking at female superiority now.

These objects are not feminist, they are original and they are uncensored. If ANY labels should be placed on them, then these are the only two.

I don't know what kind of feminists you have there, but the creatures you described are not really associated with the actual feminism movement. At least not the part i know of.

There is plenty of females these days labelling themselves as feminists but it's similar to kids from wealthy families, wearing leather jackets for 2.000$ calling themselves punk-rockers cause they have Sex Pistols on their iPhone and they sometimes like to drink a high voltage alcohol.
The feminists i know would rather slap you if you dared to open the door for them, they don't want higher pays than men, just equal job opportunities without looking at gender, they don't want to be looked at as second-sort workers because there is a possibility that they, -gasp-, may have children and thus not be able to work for few months!

As for the product in question however. It reminds me of the "L word" series. Yes, there are lesbians and feminists that actually think that such things will make them more 'real' just like they are gays that with all seriousness practice their flamboyant manners in front of a mirror, but for me, and a few others those are just props and should be treated as such. The feminism label on those is hardly about political/ideological movement.

You say people look at you oddly because of your armbands and t-shirt but that's nothing. People take pictures of me and my friends when we go out together to a club, all dressed up in self-made outfits, me in my Victorian-stylized gown with corset, knee-high heavy boots with straps, pin-up make-up tugging on a leash attached to a friends collar. We put out a show, performance, for ours and others sake. We believe that by doing so we add a little bit to the world, maybe by our 'provocation' we will convince someone else that they can look as they like without shame. It's just simple, unrestrained fun and no amount of nuns praying as they see us will convince me it's a bad thing.

 

[Helmutye]

One other thing to keep in mind is that humans are very strange creatures, and while we might like to think there is general consensus on a lot of things there really isn't. There are religious groups with millions of followers who worship penises and vaginas and use them in routine rituals. There is a Shinto ceremony where you write prayers on little clay penises and put them all in a shrine, kind of like how at Christian churches you can light prayer candles. There is a fertility festival in Japan where they carry a 9 ft long, 620 lb penis like a float in a parade. A lot of pagan religions made idols and artwork that were probably taken just as seriously as we take crucifixes, stars of david, and others today.

The bottom line is, I think those things are a bit weird, and would probably not buy them for anyone I knew. But I would not be at all surprised if there are people in the world who would be totally fine with them and treat them very normally, and I can respect that. Just forgive me a few immature giggles, and if you want to explain it I would be very interested to listen!

Well my issue is that the knob festival happens at knob festival time and ends. If someone doesn't want to be around it they already know when they are going. If I'm standing in line at the bank and suddenly have a vagina purse waved in my face I think that is pushing personal liberty too far into "offensive cause I can". I much prefer the actual thing (24 year old heterosexual male) but if I wouldn't want real vaginas beared in public all day why would I suddenly not care about fake ones?

It strikes me as being the female equivalent of the guy who gets tattoos on his upper arms and only ever wears sleeveless shirts. It strikes me as something you get cause you are a douche not because you are politically minded or making a statement. There are better, more interesting and more potent symbols of women's lib and equality but this just seems like the dick joke compared to the Odyssey.

Also Codpieces were designed to attract the eye to the package. Just like big crazy belt buckles today.

I assume we are all talking about whether or not these things are stupid, not whether or not they should be against the law, but just in case I would respectfully point out that there is no such thing as the right to not be offended. Venturing out into the public world means you may see, hear, and smell things that you find offensive. You can think whatever you want about them, and say whatever you want about them, but tender sensibilities are not protected. And personally, I feel like seeing a vagina purse would make an otherwise boring trip to the bank far more interesting--I could tell my friends about it, have interesting conversation inspired by it, maybe meet a new person with a very different view on life if the person with the vagina purse was interested in talking. Plus, the best way to deal with people being offensive just because they can is to not get offended.

Also, do you really find guys who show their tattoos offensive? I figured it was just a thing that people did nowadays.

I agree that probably the majority of people who will buy those things are buying them just for shock value or as a joke, but you do have to be careful about putting words in peoples' mouths and jumping to conclusions about their intentions. A girl I know, who is of Israeli heritage and feels very strongly about it and absolutely abhors anti-semitism, told me a story about how she was driving around one day and noticed that the car ahead of her had a swastika in the back window. She got extremely angry and, since she was driving a big, beat up old van and the person with the swastika had some little tiny car, she decided that at the next stop light she was going to rear end the bastard and mess up his Nazi ass. However, before she got the chance the car slowed down to make a turn, and as she passed by she saw that the person driving the car was a little old Indian woman--the swastika is a religious symbol throughout Asia, and obviously this lady was a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Jainist or something, not a Nazi. If the lady hadn't made that turn, my friend would have smashed up and possibly killed or injured an innocent old lady because she made a faulty assumption based on a symbol that meant one thing to her and something completely different to someone else.

The moral: don't assume that everyone views the world from the same perspective, don't assume that you can always tell what their perspective is, and don't assume that yours is the 'right' one or the majority view. There's a whole wide world out there, and 100 million people in one place may not even realize that 100 million people in another place even exist. Ultimately, we're all individuals, and should be treated as such.

That being said, I would strongly advise anyone who goes around in a modern western city wearing a vagina purse or a swastika to expect some questions about them.

 

[Merkavar]

the thing that i think is wrong about these is going out in public with them.

wont anybody please thing of the children

 

[HSIAMetalKing]

There's no real point to showing off a vagina or penis except to prove that you have a vagina or penis. .

So now you're saying I can't wear a vulva pendant just because I'm a guy?! [font color=white]jk, jk[/font]

I'm not going to spend time arguing about the "point" of any style of fashion-- all people have different motivations for publicly expressing themselves the way that they do. I don't think it's a bad thing that the designers of this type of jewelery want to replace the culturally-enforced image of female genitalia as something "obscene" and to be hidden. I think you're wrong that it's necessarily "meaningless self-aggrandization" to wear a vagina-flower-- this really isn't about exposing yourself to people (certainly much less so than skinny jeans), it's about accepting the reality of the vagina.

Or something. If you just think it looks nice, then that's all it's really about.

 

[Uncreative]

This is-they're..I...

Holy shit.

Somebody is intentionally displaying those?

Holy shit.

 

[Tilted_Logic]

"Each piece is an original, one of a kind hand sculpted image of its owner to remind her that regardless of what the world and the people in it may tell her: she is beautiful.

After purchasing you can e-mail 2-3 photos to: VulvaLoveLovely [!at] Gmail.com"

It all makes sense now

I have to say though I can't think of any reason to buy something like this. How does wearing a vuvla around your neck establish that you're beautiful? I have no problem with people expressing themselves, but if I wanted to see something like this I could look down, case closed.

 

[Terminate421]

There all vaginas...... How is that stylish? Does it attempt to make us men horny for them?

 

[Le_Lisra]

Eww..

I think its sorta bad taste.. but shit if people like that.. no one is stopping you from wearing a penis shaped earring.. though I may laugh at you if you do.

 

[Celtic_Kerr]

One other thing to keep in mind is that humans are very strange creatures, and while we might like to think there is general consensus on a lot of things there really isn't. There are religious groups with millions of followers who worship penises and vaginas and use them in routine rituals. There is a Shinto ceremony where you write prayers on little clay penises and put them all in a shrine, kind of like how at Christian churches you can light prayer candles. There is a fertility festival in Japan where they carry a 9 ft long, 620 lb penis like a float in a parade. A lot of pagan religions made idols and artwork that were probably taken just as seriously as we take crucifixes, stars of david, and others today.

The bottom line is, I think those things are a bit weird, and would probably not buy them for anyone I knew. But I would not be at all surprised if there are people in the world who would be totally fine with them and treat them very normally, and I can respect that. Just forgive me a few immature giggles, and if you want to explain it I would be very interested to listen!

Well my issue is that the knob festival happens at knob festival time and ends. If someone doesn't want to be around it they already know when they are going. If I'm standing in line at the bank and suddenly have a vagina purse waved in my face I think that is pushing personal liberty too far into "offensive cause I can". I much prefer the actual thing (24 year old heterosexual male) but if I wouldn't want real vaginas beared in public all day why would I suddenly not care about fake ones?

It strikes me as being the female equivalent of the guy who gets tattoos on his upper arms and only ever wears sleeveless shirts. It strikes me as something you get cause you are a douche not because you are politically minded or making a statement. There are better, more interesting and more potent symbols of women's lib and equality but this just seems like the dick joke compared to the Odyssey.

Also Codpieces were designed to attract the eye to the package. Just like big crazy belt buckles today.

I assume we are all talking about whether or not these things are stupid, not whether or not they should be against the law, but just in case I would respectfully point out that there is no such thing as the right to not be offended. Venturing out into the public world means you may see, hear, and smell things that you find offensive. You can think whatever you want about them, and say whatever you want about them, but tender sensibilities are not protected. And personally, I feel like seeing a vagina purse would make an otherwise boring trip to the bank far more interesting--I could tell my friends about it, have interesting conversation inspired by it, maybe meet a new person with a very different view on life if the person with the vagina purse was interested in talking. Plus, the best way to deal with people being offensive just because they can is to not get offended.

Also, do you really find guys who show their tattoos offensive? I figured it was just a thing that people did nowadays.

I agree that probably the majority of people who will buy those things are buying them just for shock value or as a joke, but you do have to be careful about putting words in peoples' mouths and jumping to conclusions about their intentions. A girl I know, who is of Israeli heritage and feels very strongly about it and absolutely abhors anti-semitism, told me a story about how she was driving around one day and noticed that the car ahead of her had a swastika in the back window. She got extremely angry and, since she was driving a big, beat up old van and the person with the swastika had some little tiny car, she decided that at the next stop light she was going to rear end the bastard and mess up his Nazi ass. However, before she got the chance the car slowed down to make a turn, and as she passed by she saw that the person driving the car was a little old Indian woman--the swastika is a religious symbol throughout Asia, and obviously this lady was a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Jainist or something, not a Nazi. If the lady hadn't made that turn, my friend would have smashed up and possibly killed or injured an innocent old lady because she made a faulty assumption based on a symbol that meant one thing to her and something completely different to someone else.

The moral: don't assume that everyone views the world from the same perspective, don't assume that you can always tell what their perspective is, and don't assume that yours is the 'right' one or the majority view. There's a whole wide world out there, and 100 million people in one place may not even realize that 100 million people in another place even exist. Ultimately, we're all individuals, and should be treated as such.

That being said, I would strongly advise anyone who goes around in a modern western city wearing a vagina purse or a swastika to expect some questions about them.

Well you and your friends sound awesome. Despite the fact that I don't have abs or any real muscle I've done something slightly similar. The only difference was that I have no self made clothes. Instead it's the most tattered pants I can find while I'm dragged along by shackles. Putting on a show can be fun, but your outfit sounded awesome! Remind me to walk with your friend someday. It's fun to do something high profile an utterly provocative and over indulgent in the "Indecencies" of life for the simplest things, such as going to a bar for a drink or two, or visiting a movie theater.

Sadly no, these women arn't feminists, bt I peeked at your profile and isn't Poland Socialist for the most part, if not completely? The capitalit way of thinking over here isn't good for most people, and we're made to beieve that we need damned good jobs in order to survive, let alone live. Everyone buys into it, especially the feminists that believe generations ago men had their chance. I'm actually quite happy when a true feminist walks up and While I'm opening th door, they refuse to go through. It's refreshing, someone who thinks for themselves

 

[_Cake_]

0%-Feminism (It's called Feminist shop?! BS Personally I feel more exploited then empowered.)
50%-Art (Some of it would be cute if it didn't have a vagina)
50%-Vagina Love (It seems more lesbianic then feminist)

 

[Kortney]

They're really ugly vaginas.

 

[manythings]

I assume we are all talking about whether or not these things are stupid, not whether or not they should be against the law, but just in case I would respectfully point out that there is no such thing as the right to not be offended. Venturing out into the public world means you may see, hear, and smell things that you find offensive. You can think whatever you want about them, and say whatever you want about them, but tender sensibilities are not protected. And personally, I feel like seeing a vagina purse would make an otherwise boring trip to the bank far more interesting--I could tell my friends about it, have interesting conversation inspired by it, maybe meet a new person with a very different view on life if the person with the vagina purse was interested in talking. Plus, the best way to deal with people being offensive just because they can is to not get offended.

Also, do you really find guys who show their tattoos offensive? I figured it was just a thing that people did nowadays.

I agree that probably the majority of people who will buy those things are buying them just for shock value or as a joke, but you do have to be careful about putting words in peoples' mouths and jumping to conclusions about their intentions. A girl I know, who is of Israeli heritage and feels very strongly about it and absolutely abhors anti-semitism, told me a story about how she was driving around one day and noticed that the car ahead of her had a swastika in the back window. She got extremely angry and, since she was driving a big, beat up old van and the person with the swastika had some little tiny car, she decided that at the next stop light she was going to rear end the bastard and mess up his Nazi ass. However, before she got the chance the car slowed down to make a turn, and as she passed by she saw that the person driving the car was a little old Indian woman--the swastika is a religious symbol throughout Asia, and obviously this lady was a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Jainist or something, not a Nazi. If the lady hadn't made that turn, my friend would have smashed up and possibly killed or injured an innocent old lady because she made a faulty assumption based on a symbol that meant one thing to her and something completely different to someone else.

The moral: don't assume that everyone views the world from the same perspective, don't assume that you can always tell what their perspective is, and don't assume that yours is the 'right' one or the majority view. There's a whole wide world out there, and 100 million people in one place may not even realize that 100 million people in another place even exist. Ultimately, we're all individuals, and should be treated as such.

That being said, I would strongly advise anyone who goes around in a modern western city wearing a vagina purse or a swastika to expect some questions about them.

I'm not saying tattoos are offensive, I'm say THAT GUY is offensive. That douchebag with the tribal tatts who is just being an attention whore, that's what I think these vagina accoutrements are. Someone waving around a vagina so they can wave around a vagina. How does that advance anything? How does it better a person or society? People can be free to do what they want but pure dick headery is still dick headery.

If someone can honestly show me something that proves a greater meaning beyond weird, off colour, faux labial folds for these things I'm willing to change my tune but mostly it is people saying "I want to wear what I want and you're a facist for taking issue". All too often freedom of speech isn't saying anything at all, it is just someone squealing (what my friends call a Hard N) in a black neighbourhood. If they are free to say what they want they have to be ready to justify it. The flipside of freedom is responsibility.

 

[Vraeyda]

Female rights are one thing, throwing blaring reminders in people's faces every day is another. Come on girls, we can show we're strong, confident females without having to accentuate the biology into fashion motifs.

I just don't want to see it.

 

[wickermole]

got

 

[manythings]

Not madness, just some women are really proud of being women. Personally, I find it a little too crude for me.
Now men, would you not like a penis necklace?

Not really. I don't need to point out that fact. It's somewhat of a defining factor some might say.