Poll: Is treating women in Gentlemanly way Sexist?
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I don't think its sexist. While I don't go out of my way to open doors for women, I usually do it if I have the chance. It was just something I was raised to do, especially in the south where manners are important and all that jazz. I do the same for men given the chance as well. Maybe not as often as I do for women I guess but you get my point. It might be a bit sexist but is it really all that bad?
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I would say that, unless you do the exact same things for men, it is sexist as you are treating them differently based on sex.
When you think about it, most women are victims to the unfairness of society, some don't receive a fair level of respect at home or in the workplace, others are treated solely for the purpose of being a sex symbol, and others are outright used for the pleasure of others. Now I won't say that they are the only victims in this world but they are the most prominently displayed victims in media. Thus to think it is sexist for a good man to want to look out for a woman is not wrong - the idea that a single person is safe and hates others for trying to be kind is wrong.
So no, I don't believe it is wrong to act gentlemanly - I do it everywhere regardless of gender.
So no, I don't believe it is wrong to act gentlemanly - I do it everywhere regardless of gender.
Everyone should be treated in a polite/friendly manner, no matter what is between their legs,...or on their chest.
I only treat gentlemen like a gentleman, and I only treat ladies like a gentleman.
The rest can sod off.
The rest can sod off.
Ah. In your example, no.BOOM headshot65 said:
Many people confuse "annoying male over-protectiveness" with just being nice. You, sir, are just being nice, and that's a good thing. ^^
I think the issue stems from the fact that many men can't separate the two. For them, being nice and being over-protective are the same thing. In that situation, yes, it is sexist. But, so long as you recognize the difference (and understand that there is a difference) I not only have no problem with gentlemanlyness, I quite approve of it. And, as already mentioned, you clearly do know the difference.
It would be nice if more men did. You are clearly a highly evolved example of a modern gentleman. ^^
I wish it was'nt like that but unfortunatly it is.
Ive been on the recieving end of a fair few verbal thrashings for acting gentlemanly.
There is almost no middle ground in this its like people just expect to be treated like shit.
I suppose it's what most people are used to but it just seems messed .
Ive been on the recieving end of a fair few verbal thrashings for acting gentlemanly.
There is almost no middle ground in this its like people just expect to be treated like shit.
I suppose it's what most people are used to but it just seems messed .
Wow, I cannot believe how many people can't discuss this in a civil manner without resorting to personal attacks and wide generalizations.
Ok, so lets define the term sexism first, from Dictionary.com;
Sexism: attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
What does this mean, well, if you do something solely because of your sex or another person's sex, that's sexism. Lets take a closer look;
Is it sexism?
1.) Opening a door solely because there's a woman coming?
A. Sexist
2.) Opening a door solely because there's a PERSON coming?
A. Not sexist
Both of these can be classified as "gentlemanly" acts, however, one is clearly sexist-based, the other is not. However, it begs the question of why call it "gentlemanly" when really, its just about respect, kindness, and charity. What do you call a woman that behaves in the same manner? A gentlewoman? The title, really, is not doing anyone any favours as it stereotypes the role of a male (ie. a good man should act like a gentleman when instead, all should strive to act kindly and generously, regardless of sex).
Inversely, the same can be said for a woman, would they have an equivalent title. For example;
Is it sexism?
1.) A woman cooks a meal solely because there's a man coming?
A. Sexist
2.) A woman cooks a meal solely because there's a PERSON coming?
A. Not sexist
In all of my examples, its a kind act that's being done, but its the motivating factor behind the act that establishes whether its sexist or not. Otherwise, its just a kind act.
PS. For those of you making general observations about "I do something for a girl (really a person) I like, is that sexist?". No and yes. Sexual orientation is generally sexist (ie read bisexualism), that's why its referred to as your "Sex". But ultimately, your motivating factor is that you're attracted to the person and are trying to gain their favor, that is the real motivation behind your action(s). Their gender is only what fuels your attraction to them. After all, if you didn't find them to be an "attractive" female (again, person really), your behaviour would not be inclined to be try and gain their interest.
Ok, so lets define the term sexism first, from Dictionary.com;
Sexism: attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
What does this mean, well, if you do something solely because of your sex or another person's sex, that's sexism. Lets take a closer look;
Is it sexism?
1.) Opening a door solely because there's a woman coming?
A. Sexist
2.) Opening a door solely because there's a PERSON coming?
A. Not sexist
Both of these can be classified as "gentlemanly" acts, however, one is clearly sexist-based, the other is not. However, it begs the question of why call it "gentlemanly" when really, its just about respect, kindness, and charity. What do you call a woman that behaves in the same manner? A gentlewoman? The title, really, is not doing anyone any favours as it stereotypes the role of a male (ie. a good man should act like a gentleman when instead, all should strive to act kindly and generously, regardless of sex).
Inversely, the same can be said for a woman, would they have an equivalent title. For example;
Is it sexism?
1.) A woman cooks a meal solely because there's a man coming?
A. Sexist
2.) A woman cooks a meal solely because there's a PERSON coming?
A. Not sexist
In all of my examples, its a kind act that's being done, but its the motivating factor behind the act that establishes whether its sexist or not. Otherwise, its just a kind act.
PS. For those of you making general observations about "I do something for a girl (really a person) I like, is that sexist?". No and yes. Sexual orientation is generally sexist (ie read bisexualism), that's why its referred to as your "Sex". But ultimately, your motivating factor is that you're attracted to the person and are trying to gain their favor, that is the real motivation behind your action(s). Their gender is only what fuels your attraction to them. After all, if you didn't find them to be an "attractive" female (again, person really), your behaviour would not be inclined to be try and gain their interest.
No, and if anyone flips out for opening the door on you because "Repost this if you're a strong black woman that don't need no man" the only response should be "Calm down I'm just holding the door open for you like any other person or gender."
I don't even know how I'd respond to a woman yelling at me for opening the door for her. Probably "Jesus christ shut the hell up and just go through the door like a normal person and say thank you, like a polite person"
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I don't even know how I'd respond to a woman yelling at me for opening the door for her. Probably "Jesus christ shut the hell up and just go through the door like a normal person and say thank you, like a polite person"
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Is that PG Tips you're sipping? Yorkshire Gold, perhaps? Or have you gone oriental, and it's green tea?Daystar Clarion said:
Going by the strict definitions of the words, yes, chivalry is sexist. But I don't really have enough energy to fully throw myself into believing that it's necessarily a bad thing, and I think we have more important things concerning sexist behaviour to worry about than some guy holding open a door for a woman because of society's influence.
I at least try to be nice to everyone, although I guess, as with probably most men, I may've subconsciously done nice actions for a woman that I would've have done to a man. Funnily enough, yesterday, a female friend of mine mentioned that she didn't have enough money for lunch, and I offered to give her my £2 that I was saving for my own lunch (didn't mention the last part), but she declined because she said that she was just going to ask another friend who owed her or something.
She is attractive, although I don't want to date her or anything, but I don't think I would've done that for even my closest male friend. Does that make me sexist, despite the fact that I'm all about gender equality and used to occasionally roughhouse two of my closest friends that are female?
I at least try to be nice to everyone, although I guess, as with probably most men, I may've subconsciously done nice actions for a woman that I would've have done to a man. Funnily enough, yesterday, a female friend of mine mentioned that she didn't have enough money for lunch, and I offered to give her my £2 that I was saving for my own lunch (didn't mention the last part), but she declined because she said that she was just going to ask another friend who owed her or something.
She is attractive, although I don't want to date her or anything, but I don't think I would've done that for even my closest male friend. Does that make me sexist, despite the fact that I'm all about gender equality and used to occasionally roughhouse two of my closest friends that are female?