It didn't. But I rather do like that cube thing, I forget the name of the mod.Spot1990 said:
Sure, Linux is a lot MORE personalize...able? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Macs aren't.
Poll: Macs. What do you think of them?
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Sure, Linux is a lot MORE personalize...able? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that Macs aren't.
I feel your pain my good friend. My two co-workers from my job at campus over the summer were both mactards and it was even worse that I had to work with the bloody things too. I too would get into verbal rages over them and the machine I was working on. The fucking thing got the pinwheel of death at least once every 2 or 3 days....and I'm just using the thing for web browsing in those times.SimuLord said:
I dislike them for all reasons stated. Overpriced, finicky OS that is not more "simple" than MS, and to me the cardinal sin of computers; proprietary hardware *gags*. I have yet to see any reason to use a mac when I can have a PC that can do ANYTHING a mac can period.
One of my friends kept trying to convince me to buy a mac when I was looking for a new computer. He said that I could use boot camp to run my mac as a pc...my question: Why the hell would I buy a mac just to run it as a pc!? In the end I bought a custom built pc with high-end specs, a 20" monitor, and 5.1 surrond sound speakers for just over half the price of the mac he was hinting for me to buy.
Unless you're one of the very few people in the world who does professional video editing, why would you bother buying a Mac and making it emulate a PC when you could just buy a real PC?y8c616 said:
Indifferent. I have not used a mac before but wouldn't mind trying, from what I have heard they are better for gaming, but then again that's just what I 'heard'(bullshit?).
Macs can be awesome. Creative companies seem to love them, which has always been beyond me as whilst sylish, they don't actually offer much over a similarly priced Windows PC. The pricing is such that they often offer less. I also hate the user interface and widgets with a passion.
However, their keyboards are AWESOME, purely from a design and ergonomics perspective. Conversely the mouse is raw sewerage.
I've always found a PC much easier to adapt, especially for obscure bits of hardware, games and such.
Having said that, sooner or later I'll be getting a Macbook.
However, their keyboards are AWESOME, purely from a design and ergonomics perspective. Conversely the mouse is raw sewerage.
I've always found a PC much easier to adapt, especially for obscure bits of hardware, games and such.
Having said that, sooner or later I'll be getting a Macbook.
I have nothing against Macs as machines. I have a lot against Apple as far as their marketing goes and I have a whole lot more against people who want to talk about how awesome their Mac is.
First, Macs are compatible only with what Apple makes. If you want to switch from a PC-based network to a Mac one you have to replace almost every piece of equipment connected to the hub by any number of degrees of separation. Replace the cord to the router so it has the right jack on the computer end- but oh wait, maybe your router doesn't have the right funny-shaped jack that the cord does on the router end. Buy a new router (I know/seriously hope to god this isn't ever the case but I'm just using an exaggerated example). Oh wait, your wireless cards on your other computers not hard-wired don't read this type of signal. Buy new ones. Etc etc.
As computers, Macs work fine, though. Not much to really be said here. Not much in the way of high-powered hardware compared to most comparable PC's (due to Apple being the only people who make Macs and putting out a new version every so many years while almost every other electronics company is making some sort of computer and a new one comes out on a weekly basis from the collective whole of the computer industry), but they work fine. Just not as good if you're going to be doing a lot of really high-end graphics or movie work or going to be working with huge numbers and calculations (in which case you might want to invest in a math class, calculator, and/or supercomputer).
Apple's marketing is what gets me. There was the "I'm a Mac" ad that was, quite frankly, discriminatory. Middle-aged, fairly well-kempt guy who probably has a decent-paying office job versus the hip young teenager. "Hey, cmon, you don't wanna be old and, you know, not cool!" And most of it's just the older guy not being able to do things. Admittedly, there is a point- craptons of errors with PC's collectively- but they're generally not as bad as the commercials made them out to be. Most decent computers only crash or otherwise fuck up/get fucked up if you're doing something they're not designed to do, have a virus, or the like. Not to say there are never random/serious issues though.
And then there's Apple trapping, yes, trapping, Mac users into Apple-product-world, it seems. Only Apple products and nothing else work with Apple products, so you have to buy only from Apple to accessorize your Mac.
But above all else it's the people who own Macs that get to me. More than a few times I've heard a Mac user I know go on and on about how "Macs are so superior to PC's in every way like they don't get viruses because they're just that secure"- a totally bullshit point, by the way; windows alone account for approximately 800 MILLION machines, PC's without Windows a few more million/tens of millions on top of that. People make viruses to affect as many people as possible; Mac accounts for less than 15% of the computer market by a longshot, so no one wants to make a Mac virus that won't really hit anyone. I've heard them trash-talk PC's on a few occasions, talk about how there is no good thing about PC's at all, etc etc and then flash their shiny Mac at me and show me pretty colors. They generally act all superior and snobby towards me because I use a computer that most of the rest of the world uses, at least when computers come up.
So as computers, nothing against them. How Apple markets them, something against. How people think about themselves and their image when they have one, lots against.
First, Macs are compatible only with what Apple makes. If you want to switch from a PC-based network to a Mac one you have to replace almost every piece of equipment connected to the hub by any number of degrees of separation. Replace the cord to the router so it has the right jack on the computer end- but oh wait, maybe your router doesn't have the right funny-shaped jack that the cord does on the router end. Buy a new router (I know/seriously hope to god this isn't ever the case but I'm just using an exaggerated example). Oh wait, your wireless cards on your other computers not hard-wired don't read this type of signal. Buy new ones. Etc etc.
As computers, Macs work fine, though. Not much to really be said here. Not much in the way of high-powered hardware compared to most comparable PC's (due to Apple being the only people who make Macs and putting out a new version every so many years while almost every other electronics company is making some sort of computer and a new one comes out on a weekly basis from the collective whole of the computer industry), but they work fine. Just not as good if you're going to be doing a lot of really high-end graphics or movie work or going to be working with huge numbers and calculations (in which case you might want to invest in a math class, calculator, and/or supercomputer).
Apple's marketing is what gets me. There was the "I'm a Mac" ad that was, quite frankly, discriminatory. Middle-aged, fairly well-kempt guy who probably has a decent-paying office job versus the hip young teenager. "Hey, cmon, you don't wanna be old and, you know, not cool!" And most of it's just the older guy not being able to do things. Admittedly, there is a point- craptons of errors with PC's collectively- but they're generally not as bad as the commercials made them out to be. Most decent computers only crash or otherwise fuck up/get fucked up if you're doing something they're not designed to do, have a virus, or the like. Not to say there are never random/serious issues though.
And then there's Apple trapping, yes, trapping, Mac users into Apple-product-world, it seems. Only Apple products and nothing else work with Apple products, so you have to buy only from Apple to accessorize your Mac.
But above all else it's the people who own Macs that get to me. More than a few times I've heard a Mac user I know go on and on about how "Macs are so superior to PC's in every way like they don't get viruses because they're just that secure"- a totally bullshit point, by the way; windows alone account for approximately 800 MILLION machines, PC's without Windows a few more million/tens of millions on top of that. People make viruses to affect as many people as possible; Mac accounts for less than 15% of the computer market by a longshot, so no one wants to make a Mac virus that won't really hit anyone. I've heard them trash-talk PC's on a few occasions, talk about how there is no good thing about PC's at all, etc etc and then flash their shiny Mac at me and show me pretty colors. They generally act all superior and snobby towards me because I use a computer that most of the rest of the world uses, at least when computers come up.
So as computers, nothing against them. How Apple markets them, something against. How people think about themselves and their image when they have one, lots against.
The reason is they're stylish.y8c616 said:
When it's their own money, every person I have ever worked with (bar 2) has bought a Windows PC. All the major graphics pacakges support Windows as well as Mac OS, pretty much all the time they operate better on Windows.
That industry behemoth Photoshop being a good example, on a powerful PC it sings, on a powerful Mac it still sings until you ask it to do something difficult, then it crawls. My five year old PC operates CS/CS3 better than all but the most expensive Macs.
Meh, so much criticism on this thread severely lacking perspective.
Any price differences between Mac and other PC hardware are insignificant when the computer is considered as a tool for work. Making the lowball assumptions of $20/hour pay ($40k annually), and that you keep a computer for two years, and it loses *all* of its value in that time, you can spend $800 over the price of a worse system and still break even if that $800 makes you just 1% more productive. And that's just the short-term, raw dollar figures, before considering what good tools mean for job satisfaction. This means, if you want to argue for Macs being bad value, what you need to argue against is their productivity.
Most of my school's computer science department - both staff and students - is clearly favoring OS X over Windows when it's their own money and time on the line. People at other engineering departments which have less to do with computers have somewhat less Macs, but still a lot more than the general public. To sum it up, it seems the more practical knowledge someone has about computers and software, the more likely they are to buy a Mac.
Any price differences between Mac and other PC hardware are insignificant when the computer is considered as a tool for work. Making the lowball assumptions of $20/hour pay ($40k annually), and that you keep a computer for two years, and it loses *all* of its value in that time, you can spend $800 over the price of a worse system and still break even if that $800 makes you just 1% more productive. And that's just the short-term, raw dollar figures, before considering what good tools mean for job satisfaction. This means, if you want to argue for Macs being bad value, what you need to argue against is their productivity.
Most of my school's computer science department - both staff and students - is clearly favoring OS X over Windows when it's their own money and time on the line. People at other engineering departments which have less to do with computers have somewhat less Macs, but still a lot more than the general public. To sum it up, it seems the more practical knowledge someone has about computers and software, the more likely they are to buy a Mac.
From what i've seen the computers are fairly stable, very stylish, and work amazingly well compared to their Windows counterparts (with the same specs, then again they cost MUCH more).
Their smug user-base however is a complete put-off to me. Then again, I guess that balances out the other UNIX OS user's common perception...
I'll definitely buy one to tinker with one day, when I've graduated from Uni. And can afford to be pretentious enough to own one.
Their smug user-base however is a complete put-off to me. Then again, I guess that balances out the other UNIX OS user's common perception...
I'll definitely buy one to tinker with one day, when I've graduated from Uni. And can afford to be pretentious enough to own one.