Poll: Manga VS. Anime

[StarStruckStrumpets]

I prefer Anime when it's done well. Reading Manga (especially online) can get boring. I only prefer Manga when either the Anime adaptation has bad music and/or voice acting or it changed the story for the worst.

I reckon the word "Naruto" comes to mind here. The manga is so much better.

 

[StarStruckStrumpets]

and i enjoy naruto.
and after you get to shippuden, it matures a bit.

not to mention the writer decided to blow up the entire damn village.
still not really over it. :[ shocked the shit outta me.

i mean, who does that!?

Kishimoto is the cop-out king. If you've read the latest chapters of the manga, then you'd know what I mean, but in case you didn't....

Spoiler: Kishimoto's Ultimate Fail

He resurrected the whole fucking village with one jutsu! The Rinnegan is supposedly the controller of life and death, but seriously...good god.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

Anime has Astro Boy, both in Black and White and in Colour.

Manga on the other hand has Osamu Tezuka, creator of Astro Boy, complaining to Astro Boy that the Americans are censoring his anime again which is getting him pretty damned angry. Which is in just black and white.

Now, which one would you rather experience? (btw the rage of Osamu Tezuka is featured in the Astro Boy Vol. 1 and 2 Omnibus)

 

[DAMG]

and i enjoy naruto.
and after you get to shippuden, it matures a bit.

not to mention the writer decided to blow up the entire damn village.
still not really over it. :[ shocked the shit outta me.

i mean, who does that!?

Well believe it or not, the United States blew up a whole city back 1945. Two cities within a week actually, one was called Hiroshima and the other was Nagasaki, and that actually, really, happened.

Maybe there's a cooler background story in Naruto, but facts can be fun too, seriously.

and i enjoy naruto.
and after you get to shippuden, it matures a bit.

not to mention the writer decided to blow up the entire damn village.
still not really over it. :[ shocked the shit outta me.

i mean, who does that!?

Kishimoto is the cop-out king. If you've read the latest chapters of the manga, then you'd know what I mean, but in case you didn't....

Spoiler: Kishimoto's Ultimate Fail

He resurrected the whole fucking village with one jutsu! The Rinnegan is supposedly the controller of life and death, but seriously...good god.

I read the spoiler, and that's just silly. C'mon

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

and i enjoy naruto.
and after you get to shippuden, it matures a bit.

not to mention the writer decided to

Spoiler

blow up the entire damn village.

still not really over it. :[ shocked the shit outta me.

i mean, who does that!?

Kishimoto is the cop-out king. If you've read the latest chapters of the manga, then you'd know what I mean, but in case you didn't....

Spoiler: Kishimoto's Ultimate Fail

He resurrected the whole fucking village with one jutsu! The Rinnegan is supposedly the controller of life and death, but seriously...good god.

haven't quite caught up yet... still have a chapter or two to read. silly vacations.

dear god. can't say i didn't see that coming though.

Spoiler

did he bring back the buildings or just the people? cause they're still homeless if he didn't. /:

though i must admit finding out itachi was a good guy caught me a bit off guard. not to say he wasn't always my favorite character [cause he was, up there with kakashi], but i didn't predict that he'd been told to destroy everyone by the 3rd.

crazy shit.

what a kick in the balls to sasuke. XP

 

[Jenkins]

dont want to deviate from the thread but...


I need new anime to watch. list me all the ones you guys like.

 

[la-le-lu-li-lo]

and i enjoy naruto.
and after you get to shippuden, it matures a bit.

not to mention the writer decided to blow up the entire damn village.
still not really over it. :[ shocked the shit outta me.

i mean, who does that!?

Well believe it or not, the United States blew up a whole city back 1945. Two cities within a week actually, one was called Hiroshima and the other was Nagasaki, and that actually, really, happened.

Maybe there's a cooler background story in Naruto, but facts can be fun too, seriously.

and yes, i was aware of the bombs... saw hiroshima the play too. though shit like that in real life is far less surprising than it happening in something like naruto.

real life tends to be a bit more brutal than happy go lucky anime/mangas.

 

[mike1921]

I'm not a fan of most Anime or Manga unless it involves tits. Most Asian cartoons ...ridiculous.

To me it seems like you're just not reading the right manga or watching the right anime. I want to give you elfen lied as an example but it involves boobs ( mostly for symbolism and a point, not for boners). So I'll go with the anime in my avvy. Hellsing ultimate, it's not a boy doing something beyond his years because the main character is hundreds of years old, the great evil is nazi vampires so I doubt it's gonna get much eviler, and his powers don't involve screaming, so THAR.

I figured I'd get a response such as yours. My statement was generalization of popular anime, like Naruto, that's viewed by preteens and sadly, some people I know. It was a cycled joke attempt; I started with tits and ended with masturbation.

I was once a rabbid fan of DragonBall and its zeta version but eventually grew out of it; that show never ended. I'm also not much for watching a series with plots expanding longer than two episodes, with the exception of Arrested Development.

What I'm getting at goes beyond anime, manga, and comic books. Many series, for the most part suck because creativity has been stretched thin to allow a long-running profit. That's why I enjoy sweet-condensed movies and games. What I stated doesn't go without its exceptions; there are plenty of lengthy source materials that get butchered rather than sweetly condensed. All that and I'm not a fan of the "sexy" filler Japan calls humor.

You should never judge a genre by what is most popular, especially if what is most popular is new and thus likely a fad.

You don't like shows with plots that are longer then two episodes? Most movies take less time then two anime episodes. an anime episode without commercials normally lasts 22 minutes, so two would be 44 minutes. I'm normally not one for relatively slow pacing..but..really...44 minutes?

Sturgeon's law my good friend , 90% of it is going to be crap. Some of the crap used to be sweet chocolate that has been abused by a cruel digestive system trying to absorb every last nutrient from it , some of the crap is MCdonalds and has always been crap, some of the crap is MCdonalds that has been abused by a cruel digestive system trying to absorb every last nutrient from it, and some of the crap is crap because the food is nowhere near as good as people say it is, and it will likely be put through a digestive system because of it.....and that analogy sucks.

I can't tell if that complaint is about filler or fanservice, but either way , a ton of anime fans hate those too. Although I do think in the right anime they could be good. An anime that's basically porn should have fanservice. An anime that's pointless (like I hear lucky star is) should have filler

I think I'm steering way off topic, but this is an interesting exchange of words nonetheless. I tend to generalize a lot to avoid discussion but it usually brings misinterpretation. I'll try to tackle your second and fourth paragraph at once. I could easily tolerate, no enjoy, a short series if that's what was intended, like the nonsensical FLCL or the suspenseful Prisonbreak. Differences besides the obvious? One show continued on for fanservice/profit. Prisonbreak at the beginning was clearly advertised as miniseries, what happened? It was awesome, so they extended it and turned it to mindless garbage.

Manga/Anime, no, most series of anything do this; maybe the author of these things actually planned for a long running series, but I'm very doubtful. While I don't watch much TV anymore, I can sit through an episode of Seinfeld, which is like an tightly-knit skit that expands for a good twenty minutes, nothing more.

On topic, I say Anime movies are the best choice because they can only fit the best of the best into two hours. There are exceptions.

Steering a versus thread between anime and manga into a discussion about all media but concentrating on anime and manga is nothing compared to some of the de-rails I've seen here.

I guess you're right, although I do think my opinion on this links neatly to this this post I made earlier [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.120445.2366970]. While I do agree that anime movies tend to be better, I think they have less potential then a bigger series since it could provide more character and plot development...and well...umm.. have you ever heard the term "just let it die" when talking about a series, yea well it's not fun to watch something you love die? Sure it's much better then having it live an extremely awful remainder of a life but still.

 

[KingPiccolOwned]

I say it is the same damn thing so long as it is in a language I understand.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Medium is irrelevant only the story is important.

So neither I especially hate the way weeabo chimps bandy about the words anime & manga instead of trying to reclaim the western forms as artforms.

Its a comic & a cartoon.

Naturally, though, mentioning Strawberry Marshmallow or Full Metal Panic on an internet comics forum is sure to get one welcomed with open arms by all the Watchmen and Hellblazer fans, right?

On topic, I say anime movies are the best choice because they can only fit the best of the best into two hours. There are exceptions.

Those exceptions are really the ones I notice. Quite a few movie-length anime I watch and think, "Wow. They really could have gone somewhere with that, if they just had more time."

Often times it is a case of "first come first served". If someone reads the manga, then sees the anime, they are going to notice all of the differences and flaws. If someone sees the anime before reading the manga, they are going to notice all of the differences and flaws. This is the same reason some people don't like sequels to games, but people who play a game, then go back and play the original don't like it as much. It's all about what you are use to.

I'm not so sure. Several manga I read I first watched in anime form (Bleach comes prominently to mind). I still think it's which medium was the original that has more to do with it than first exposure. Whether the manga or the anime came first, the adapted medium isn't usually likely to match the quality of the original.

Personally, reading 2000 pages of a manga is a lot harder than watching one and a half seasons of an anime, but both have their ups and downs.

2000 pages? That sounds more like three or four seasons to me...are you basing it on anything specific?

 

[Sark]

Like all the Lurichio/Captain Amagai crap in Bleach?

Honestly Bleach would be far better if they stuck to the manga a little more, as they cut the crap. Honestly, the whole two sagas dedicated to the Bount were hopeless, very little character development for any main character and nothing changed from beginning of the saga to the end.

The best anime I have seen recently was Darker than Black, which came from a Manga I haven't seen, but the storyline and concepts are really good.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Medium is irrelevant only the story is important.

So neither I especially hate the way weeabo chimps bandy about the words anime & manga instead of trying to reclaim the western forms as artforms.

Its a comic & a cartoon.

Naturally, though, mentioning Strawberry Marshmallow or Full Metal Panic on an internet comics forum is sure to get one welcomed with open arms by all the Watchmen and Hellblazer fans, right?

I dont get the reference I assume theirs some kinda fanboi rivally for the titles ?

No. I was questioning whether fans of many western comics would want their titles even mentioned in the same page as a slice-of-life manga about eight year-old girls or a mecha comedy (though the last one's a bit of a stretch...shoulda said Sumomomo Momomo).

Either way, it was a roundabout way of saying "you shouldn't single out 'weeaboos' for liking the separate term, when most western comic fans would insist just as strongly for separate terms, if not more so."

I dont do the big two and I barely tolerate DHP, The indies are just better quality more mature less spandex. I mean seriously your an omnipotent superhero would you really choose spandex or worse a bloody trenchcoat to go out & kick butt in ?

Actually, my City of Heroes characters tend towards plainclothes.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

Medium is irrelevant only the story is important.

So neither I especially hate the way weeabo chimps bandy about the words anime & manga instead of trying to reclaim the western forms as artforms.

Its a comic & a cartoon.

I've been busy trying to reclaim Mad Max as Australian since some people don't realise it's Australian, but when it comes to manga and anime vs. comics and western animation, really it's a matter of "Which term has the most hipster cred".

That's all it is. If anime was still referred to as Japanese cartoons in 2009 like they were in 1998, I severely doubt adults in the Western world would have been interested in them now. It took a while for the graphic novel in Western culture to earn acceptance, manga has to work harder to be accepted because of cultural differences, not just content and context.

 

[NewGeekPhilosopher]

Medium is irrelevant only the story is important.

So neither I especially hate the way weeabo chimps bandy about the words anime & manga instead of trying to reclaim the western forms as artforms.

Its a comic & a cartoon.

I've been busy trying to reclaim Mad Max as Australian since some people don't realise it's Australian, but when it comes to manga and anime vs. comics and western animation, really it's a matter of "Which term has the most hipster cred".

That's all it is. If anime was still referred to as Japanese cartoons in 2009 like they were in 1998, I severely doubt adults in the Western world would have been interested in them now. It took a while for the graphic novel in Western culture to earn acceptance, manga has to work harder to be accepted because of cultural differences, not just content and context.

Id argue that. Academia (sadly the guidestick for cultural significance) regards Eastern comics are a more valid artform because of the Eastern aesthetic. Western works have a much harder time of it. Works like Maus & Watchmen have been crowbarred into these artificial books you must read lists by the comic community because literary auteurs wouldnt touch truly inspiring wellwritten works like Love & Rockets, 'Nam, American Virgin, Walking Dead, Concrete or Preacher.

Mind comic bookdom in the West doesnt do its self any favour by constantly including the Big Two in every damn poll. X-Men, Spiderman, Superman, Batman are not well written or interesting to anyone out of their teenage years (Admit it anyone over 20 you read them out of nostalgia) I can count on my thumbs the works featuring the above that are mature & robust out of hundreds of tpb's and runs.

I always preferred the first Max, the others were kinda bad copies of Damnnation Alley and its ilk. I still like the kids though Pockyclips.

The cultural significance of The Sandman for one is worth mentioning, as it revived classical mythology to a modern audience. I don't see academia defending To Love-Ru or the literary pathos of Doki Doki Shinpan's witch touching simulator/visual novel.

What disturbs me more and more these days is that Osamu Tezuka is barely mentioned in the top selling manga lists to be read, whereas stuff like the Naruto manga gets in every time I see one of those lists.

I really need to read more comics and manga, right after I finish Chuck Palahniuk's Pygmy.

 

[Rafe]

I was forced into manga after D. Gray-Man pulled the plug on the anime : (

It's a rumour but the anime is supposedly picking up sometime soon, but this could just be an internet rumour. Although I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

AHH! Just a rumour but you just livened up my day a great deal, D. Gray-Man rocks.
Cheers for letting me know : D