That's a really interesting point. I'm starting to think the entire thing is just bullshit. Why they did it though, I have no idea.jackpipsam said:
Poll: Mother punishes adopted child by forcing him to drink hot sauce
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Now, I can be a very cold person when pushed a little, but this is just sick... killing puppies.. I laugh, old woman falls over... I laugh.. this.. this just made me angry
I'm appalled. I had difficulty to keep watching it all the way through.
I'm not sure, but i think forcing someone to keep a food too spicy for their tastes (young children have a lower threshold) in their mouth while incessantly shouting at them, counts as torture, regardless of age (So doing it to a child is beyond disgusting).
A problem i see, which i think a lot of parents like this share, is that she was treating her child like an adult. As a parent, it's her job to teach her child what is right and wrong, since he doesn't know yet. Children are already scared and unwilling of disobeying their parents, adding physical abuse is wrong (and unethical).
Discussion (Though somewhat simplified. You can't always reason with children, at least not on the level of fellow adults) along with "time-outs" and "go to your room until you calm down/behave" (temporarily cutting them off from human contact, until they decide to behave harmoniously with others. Similar philosophy to prisons, people want to be part of the group, even at the cost of their selfish needs) works just as well, if not better.
I'm not sure, but i think forcing someone to keep a food too spicy for their tastes (young children have a lower threshold) in their mouth while incessantly shouting at them, counts as torture, regardless of age (So doing it to a child is beyond disgusting).
A problem i see, which i think a lot of parents like this share, is that she was treating her child like an adult. As a parent, it's her job to teach her child what is right and wrong, since he doesn't know yet. Children are already scared and unwilling of disobeying their parents, adding physical abuse is wrong (and unethical).
Discussion (Though somewhat simplified. You can't always reason with children, at least not on the level of fellow adults) along with "time-outs" and "go to your room until you calm down/behave" (temporarily cutting them off from human contact, until they decide to behave harmoniously with others. Similar philosophy to prisons, people want to be part of the group, even at the cost of their selfish needs) works just as well, if not better.
That's disgusting, you don't force a kid to hold hot sauce in his mouth, then give him a cold shower afterwards, all while screaming at him. The boy should definitely be taken away from that psycho, since it's obviously a regular occurrence in the house.
I just looked at the end of the video, now I am 10x more pissed... I was honestly tempted to slice that controlling bitches throat for doing that to a kid, anyone who does worse.. I would LOVE to have a few hours with them.. show them a REAL punishment.
Personally, I'm on the fence.
Certainly, this kind of punishment is pretty tough for a small child, and I don't think it's really necessary. There have to be better ways to discipline your children, ones that effective but don't require inflicting pain on them (at least not as much).
That said, my sister teaches at a high school in a rough part of town, and from discussions I've had with her about the state of the kids she works with, I think that a parent who doles out this kind of punishment is certainly better than a parent who doesn't care at all.
That may not be saying much, but that's the reason I don't see this woman as a 'bad' mother, per-se, but rather one who needs to re-think how she handles disciplining her kids. A truly bad parent is one who abandons their child outright, gets drunk and beats them with a pipe wrench until they get brain damage, or can't be with their child because they're serving time in the state pen. We've got plenty of those in my hometown.
This mother doesn't need the book thrown at her. If she changes her ways, throwing Dr. Phil at her should be sufficient.
I'm much more impressed by the level of outrage this video seems to have generated, and I think the response is an indicator of something positive. I watched a TED talk by MIT psychologist Steven Pinker in which he said that the only reason we get up in arms about this kind of stuff is because our standards for how people should be treated have outpaced how we actually treat people.
A hundred years ago, people would have been more outraged that the mother wasn't disciplining the kid properly by taking him out behind the house and beating him with a switch. I think we can all agree that the less we enjoy inflicting pain on each other, and the less we approve of other people doing it, the better.
Certainly, this kind of punishment is pretty tough for a small child, and I don't think it's really necessary. There have to be better ways to discipline your children, ones that effective but don't require inflicting pain on them (at least not as much).
That said, my sister teaches at a high school in a rough part of town, and from discussions I've had with her about the state of the kids she works with, I think that a parent who doles out this kind of punishment is certainly better than a parent who doesn't care at all.
That may not be saying much, but that's the reason I don't see this woman as a 'bad' mother, per-se, but rather one who needs to re-think how she handles disciplining her kids. A truly bad parent is one who abandons their child outright, gets drunk and beats them with a pipe wrench until they get brain damage, or can't be with their child because they're serving time in the state pen. We've got plenty of those in my hometown.
This mother doesn't need the book thrown at her. If she changes her ways, throwing Dr. Phil at her should be sufficient.
I'm much more impressed by the level of outrage this video seems to have generated, and I think the response is an indicator of something positive. I watched a TED talk by MIT psychologist Steven Pinker in which he said that the only reason we get up in arms about this kind of stuff is because our standards for how people should be treated have outpaced how we actually treat people.
A hundred years ago, people would have been more outraged that the mother wasn't disciplining the kid properly by taking him out behind the house and beating him with a switch. I think we can all agree that the less we enjoy inflicting pain on each other, and the less we approve of other people doing it, the better.
I had a friend who's punishment was to eat chili...by hot sauce, do you mean chili or actual sauce that is really hot? Either ways, their both cruel: If you really think about it, its like setting your mouth on fire. Chili may not cause damage, but it really does hurt. It also matters what the kid did. I'm a sucker for justice, so I'm unsure. And also - Oh Jesus! I only just watched the video, and i thought she was interrogating a North Korean spy! I take back my vote on saying it was a little bad! She needs to learn how to channel her anger to something else! Although i admit i did get smacked when i was younger, smacking was quick. This is long and painful! Learn to parent!
Yes it can be taken too far. As can literally anything a person might consider doing.SkittlesKat said:
This is a bit hard to follow. Nevertheless, I would point out that the child has no rational reason to tell the truth unless there is a penalty applied for telling a lie. The application of punishment offers just such a penalty, thus making lying a less attractive option. There are a laundry list of ways to achieve this but inflicting pain has long been among them.SkittlesKat said:
As I said, it can be taken too far. But what do we really have here? The pain from hot sauce is temporary and the damage virtually non-existant. A cold shower is uncomfortable, certainly, but hardly places the child at any risk in moderation. Public shame is, for the record, the single greatest motivator available. What's more, all of these represent discomforts that one will experience in the natural course of their lives. I have seen no information that suggests these activities have been taken "to the extreme" and as such I see no reason to condemn such techniques.SkittlesKat said:
I'll just point out that this has nothing to do with the rest of your post and offers little support for your position save the fact that I'm willing to believe your parents presented punishments in excess of the crimes committed.SkittlesKat said:
Um. . . What?SkittlesKat said:
First... lolidk my bff jill? Like... why do you... wha... the... Oi... hold on...Ran.Dom said:
Why do you feel it is needed to make a temp account just to post your statements without getting your real account banned?
Second, no. I am NOT on my way to becoming a child molester.
Third, I legitimately declared Poe's Law because of his wording, I seriously could not tell if he was serious or not. That tends to happen if you delve into a serious subject. Hence, Poe's Law.
Fourth, I believe you may actually be Wez, so... yeah.
Fifth, I make no excuses, I just state what personally believe and think that more research needs to be done into the subject to confirm anything.
Sixth, You have no idea of such a thought process, so please do not think that you do. Lest you compare me to those that I despise with every fiber of this body's being.
Seventh, To hell with professional help. I need it not.
Eighth, I would sooner kill myself to reinstate my life cycle than become that.
Ninth, You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe.
Tenth, This is not the place to discuss this, you just hijacked a thread to get your point across in a rude manner.
Eleventh Hour Superpower, If anyone, including you, has an issue with me personally or my beliefs, they can PM me to discuss it in private instead of being rude about it and doing it like this. If you reaalllly want to go about the topic like this, make a thread about it. If you want to give me harsh insults, PM me. I can take it. I won't even tell anyone who you are. Just don't go about it like this.
Now if anyone has anything to tell me, PM it. Tell me to go die in a fire if you want. Just do it in private.
Now, I am myself sorry for cluttering up the thread with this. I apologize and return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
OT: I still despise the woman because that is just inhumane.[footnote]Moderator Edit: Take it to PM please and remain on topic. Thanks![/footnote]
Actually, I don't even think that was Tobasco... It looked like a weaker brand, like Louisiana Hot Sauce, which is really mostly vinegar. Like, my eggs can be swimming in the stuff, and it's still not nearly hot enough for me. But then again, this is America, who typically don't like spicy things, and seem to equate eating hot sauce to drinking acid... Seriously, anyone else here get the crazy eyes from people when you add hot sauce to your food? "Oh my god! This is SO spicy!" but... I only added a couple dashes of chili powder to the whole pot... pansies.qeinar said:
Really, I don't see anything really wrong with her as a parent, if anything her tone is perfect "Angry Mom" voice; no screaming, no swearing, just a stern and projected voice. This was exactly how my mom spoke to me at that age when I got in trouble at school for fighting, one of the angriest she ever was at me. I find her methods a bit unconventional, it seems like she does the hot and cold treatment as way of disciplining her son without spanking or "hitting" him.
I'm most bothered by the way the whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the show (the way it's cut to show the most aggressive points, and the scary music) is incredibly manipulative, and that so many people fell for such a cheap trick and have gotten so fired up about what should have remained a private family matter... I mean, you never look like a good parent when you have to discipline a child in public, and she has to do it in front of millions.
And one more point, it really bothers me how often I read on this thread "Well, i don't know one way or another, it depends on the context, like hot sauce and a cold shower aren't that bad... Edit: OMG!!! I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO!!! THAT WOMAN SHOULD BE FLAYED AND BOILED IN OIL!!!!!!" Seriously people, are you all so in love with hearing yourself talk you're going to say your opinion before you even knowing what we're talking about? That's a pretty good sign that you really don't have your own opinion until someone gives one to you...
I'm with the mother. Some kids just don't respond to anything besides strict punishment. I know I didn't as a kid.
I got timeout? Whoop dee doo, I'll take a nap for a few minutes.
Sent to my room? Heck yea, that's where my toys are.
No TV? Pfft, until you leave the room.
Grounded? You have to work sometime, and I'll be out the door as soon as you pull away.
Now if you put soap in my mouth, or gave me a spanking, or something like the tabasco...
I'll remember that punishment. And I won't want it to happen again, so odds are I'll straighten the heck up.
Children nowadays are coddled, swathed in bubble wrap, and protected from EVERYTHING...no wonder they all grow up to be spoiled little shits who walk over mommy and daddy.
I got timeout? Whoop dee doo, I'll take a nap for a few minutes.
Sent to my room? Heck yea, that's where my toys are.
No TV? Pfft, until you leave the room.
Grounded? You have to work sometime, and I'll be out the door as soon as you pull away.
Now if you put soap in my mouth, or gave me a spanking, or something like the tabasco...
I'll remember that punishment. And I won't want it to happen again, so odds are I'll straighten the heck up.
Children nowadays are coddled, swathed in bubble wrap, and protected from EVERYTHING...no wonder they all grow up to be spoiled little shits who walk over mommy and daddy.
I think it depends on the age of the kid and how hard you hit him, if he had been like 8 and she had given him a slap after he I dunno pissed on mommies shoes I would be fine but this kid is too young to get getting this much shit, but slapping a kid after he did something really bad AFTER you have warned them that they will get hit is fine with me.Dexiro said:
I'd heard about someone dyeing from chilli's from my Mum, but due after doing some a LITTLE amount of research for some RELIABLE information, I found a guy called Andrew Lee had died after eating chillis for a bet and then suffering what is believed to be a heart attack thought to be due to the chilli. But the amount he ate was probably alot larger and hotter then what was given to the child. Are you enlightened?