Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)

[Mr. Omega]

I wouldn't really call it a "gimmick" phase, so much. Just because they're trying something different doesn't automatically qualify it as a "gimmick". In fact, people ONLY call it a gimmick because it IS Nintendo. Had it been Sony who made the Wii, fresh off of the ps2, people would have been singing it's praises.

People always ***** about the Wii being "only" minigame shovelware and continuations of established franchisees (oh no it's so horrible, Nintendo is expanding their market to previous non-game-players, AND we get to play more awesome Mario and Zelda games! oh nooooo!), but those same people always overlook the ORIGINAL games, too, like 'Little King's Story' and 'Ivy The Kiwi?'. The quality is still there, it's not Nintendo's fault that people are pretentious, hypocritical tards.

And the 3DS, if the original DS is any indication, is going to have some awesome stuff on it. I can't wait for more to come out on it. (in before "Dur hurr there's no games on it so its teh suxks!" No shit, it's a NEW system, of course there's nothing on it yet)

THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Someone else agrees with me!

 

[GiantRaven]

As Nintendo's first-party games are just as fantastic as they ever were, I think their level of quality is maintaining itself just fine.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

RANT ALERT! RANT ALERT!

Remember when everyone laughed at the DS? Said that touchscreens were a gimmick, and only like one or two phones had them, and they were really expensive? Well now almost every mobile device has a touch screen. The DS made the touchscreen popular. And it found the casual market.

Wii expanded on it. Sure, motion controls weren't a long lasting charm and weren't as big as the DS, but in an industry where everyone is bitching and moaning about "stagnation", at least Nintendo is trying something different. It might not have worked in the long run, but you know what? They aren't putting motion controls in the new console. They learned from the mistake. But they are also making it backwards compatible to avoid a schism in the market.

As for the 3D. IT'S OPTIONAL. Unlike the Wii-mote, this feature can be completely ignored. It's just a DS with enhanced graphics, and a few new features. At it's core, it's still a great system. It's not they are forcing you to keep the 3D on. You can shut it off and play regular games. But after the Wii, saying "GIMMICK GIMMICK WAH WAH NINTENDO IS FOR CASUAL FAGS GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!" has become the cool thing to do in the gamer community. Even when the new console shows drastic improvement, the second they add something new? (The touchscreen)
"GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!" The fucking parrots return....

Furthermore, the whole recent trend of sequel-phobia that is particularly apparent here at the Escapist seems to have everybody disregarding quality in exchange for quantity. "Oh look, another new Mario game. Since there have been more than 2 of them, that MUST mean it sucks! After all, sequels are BAD!" Everyone loves to make Mario Galaxy 2 a punching bag for cash-ins, saying it's the sign that Nintendo is nothing more than a soulless greedy corporate force of evil along the likes of Activision and EA. And I'll bet a very large percentage never played it.

Then again, hating on Nintendo has beem the "cool" thing to do since last gen. I said it before, I'll say it again: Every LOVES the Gamecube...IN HINDSIGHT. Back then everyone accused Gamecube of being the "kiddy console" because it didn't have games GTA: San Andreas or Halo 1 and 2.

TL;DR
While this recent wave of Nintendo hate is a little lot more warranted (The Wii was a swing and a miss, and while the 3D can be ignored, it's still stupid), hating on Nintendo isn't exactly a new thing. Nintendo is in a situation where it just can't win. If it keeps doing what it was before, people will just ***** saying "STAGNATE! NINTENDO DOESN'T DO ANYTHING NEW!", and if Nintendo DOES do anything new, they'll just cry "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

I don't know what it is. I've just never really been that INTO Halo and GTA. The Game Cube had Resident Evil and Animal Crossing and some Sonic games everyone hated accept for my group of friends (Sonic Adventure 2: Battle) so I was happy. I'm not hating on Nintendo. I just miss the old Nintendo: The Nintendo that made instant classics like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid!

Yes, the 3D is optional. I understand that. And I believe that without the 3D in the first place, I think the 3DS would actually be shining in my eyes. It has/will have RE: Mercenaries, a Shin Megami Tensei game, and Dead or Alive! Those three games enough are a reason to get the damn thing. With the 3D permanently on off unless I get bored.

I think what Nintendo needs to do is to make something new and big! A new thing that will take off like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid! Then the world will view Nintendo as the heroes of gaming again! Taking us away from the brown, dull, bloody blood blood blood gaming that is our era!

I guess what I'm saying is,

I hope Project Cafe is completely awesome. IGN or someone made a custom thing that they thought would be like Project Cafe and it supported Crysis 2. If Nintendo can take advantage of extremely high power like that, they will become the winners again.

And then, Chuck Norris and Batman would come to them and thank them. And the world would be epic again.

 

[MrMrAwesom]

RANT ALERT! RANT ALERT!
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That's because gimmicks have shorter appeal/ fun then magic tricks everyone already knows... that'd be like everyone in the world saying yo mama 600 times or doing the pulling off your thumb trick, gets annoying after a while & seeing someone show off something everyone already knows seems insulting to my intelligence.

 

[Mr. In-between]

LOL @ people calling Cube "kiddy" because it didn't have two of the most juvenile titles of it's day.

 

[MasterV]

The Wii was a swing and a miss

Nintendo is in a situation where it just can't win.

If it keeps doing what it was before, people will just ***** saying "STAGNATE! NINTENDO DOESN'T DO ANYTHING NEW!", and if Nintendo DOES do anything new, they'll just cry "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

No and no. And who those people might be? The so-called "hardcore"? Hahaha hat's nice.

Before saying anything, you should realise that the world inside your head is not real life. In real life the Wii was a resounding success and STILL is. It's software STILL outsells newer game from the HD twins, companies make the biggest share of income from it. Nintendo may have abandoned it for almost a year but the people who matter haven't.

Those who don't matter, the "hardcore" gamers (Nintendo "fanboys" and haters alike), the ones responsible for the games industry having inferiority complexes and trying to make it be more like Hollywood, THEY are the one who are going to complain. And you know what? Noone cares but them. So let them go suck their finger in a corner while the true gamers, the everyday people enjoy games.

 

[Mr. Omega]

RANT ALERT! RANT ALERT!
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That's because gimmicks have shorter appeal/ fun then magic tricks everyone already knows... that'd be like everyone in the world saying yo mama 600 times or doing the pulling off your thumb trick, gets annoying after a while & seeing someone show off something everyone already knows seems insulting to my intelligence.

I did say that the motion control thing was ultimately a failure. But like I said, they aren't putting it in Cafe. It's not like they're still trying to force motion controls any more. In fact, most of their major releases seem to completely ignore motion control.

I agree, it was a bad idea. But it's left such a bitter taste that now if Nintendo does ANYTHING that goes away from the norm, people cry "GIMMICK!".

People are calling Cafe a gimmick console because of the touchscreen, seeming to be more than happy to ignore the fact that it goes back to a Gamecube like controller and has the HD they were asking for. But that doesn't matter. They did something different, so that means... "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

 

[nima55]

In my personal opinion, and you may object to this, is that when a gaming company starts doing bad, gimmicky things when they used to be so awesome, they're quality goes down. Sony and Microsoft decided to copy the Wii and Sony did it's horrible 3D idea, they lost some of my respect. A good company can see when something is a bad idea. Companies are getting greedy though and they're selling they're gaming souls for money.

I disagree because you could say that all of Nintendo's consoles have had a "gimmick". NES = ROB. SNES= 16 bit. N64= 3d graphics and analogue control stick. A console having a defining feature isn't a bad thing.

 

[Shameless]

To me, Nintendo now are only a shadow of it's former self, not the Nintendo that I used to love.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

RANT ALERT! RANT ALERT!
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That's because gimmicks have shorter appeal/ fun then magic tricks everyone already knows... that'd be like everyone in the world saying yo mama 600 times or doing the pulling off your thumb trick, gets annoying after a while & seeing someone show off something everyone already knows seems insulting to my intelligence.

I did say that the motion control thing was ultimately a failure. But like I said, they aren't putting it in Cafe. It's not like they're still trying to force motion controls any more. In fact, most of their major releases seem to completely ignore motion control.

I agree, it was a bad idea. But it's left such a bitter taste that now if Nintendo does ANYTHING that goes away from the norm, people cry "GIMMICK!".

People are calling Cafe a gimmick console because of the touchscreen, seeming to be more than happy to ignore the fact that it goes back to a Gamecube like controller and has the HD they were asking for. But that doesn't matter. They did something different, so that means... "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

I'm okay with touchscreens. And a gamecube controller like handheld with HD sounds epic to me.

 

[Mr. Omega]

The Wii was a swing and a miss

Nintendo is in a situation where it just can't win.

If it keeps doing what it was before, people will just ***** saying "STAGNATE! NINTENDO DOESN'T DO ANYTHING NEW!", and if Nintendo DOES do anything new, they'll just cry "GIMMICK GIMMICK GIMMICK!"

No and no. And who those people might be? The so-called "hardcore"? Hahaha hat's nice.

Before saying anything, you should realise that the world inside your head is not real life. In real life the Wii was a resounding success and STILL is. It's software STILL outsells newer game from the HD twins, companies make the biggest share of income from it. Nintendo may have abandoned it for almost a year but the people who matter haven't.

Those who don't matter, the "hardcore" gamers (Nintendo "fanboys" and haters alike), the ones responsible for the games industry having inferiority complexes and trying to make it be more like Hollywood, THEY are the one who are going to complain. And you know what? Noone cares but them. So let them go suck their finger in a corner while the true gamers, the everyday people enjoy games.

Let me rephase that. Motion Controls were a swing and a miss. There's a reason it won't be featured in Cafe. But the Wii was a smash hit. I love the Wii. And the Wii was a great console for the most part. Once you got past the shovelware and found the gems, they were REALLY good games.

 

[LJJ]

1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

In my personal opinion, and you may object to this, is that when a gaming company starts doing bad, gimmicky things when they used to be so awesome, they're quality goes down. Sony and Microsoft decided to copy the Wii and Sony did it's horrible 3D idea, they lost some of my respect. A good company can see when something is a bad idea. Companies are getting greedy though and they're selling they're gaming souls for money.

I disagree because you could say that all of Nintendo's consoles have had a "gimmick". NES = ROB. SNES= 16 bit. N64= 3d graphics and analogue control stick. A console having a defining feature isn't a bad thing.

It's only bad when it doesn't work to the extent that it was believed it would. My example unfortunately must be the Wii, which didn't meet my expectations. In fact, I liked the games that didn't really involve the motion controls. (Again, Animal Crossing.)

 

[cystemic]

it got old really quickly but that's just the way things are now, take a look at apple, they base their entire company on gimicky gadgets that are worth a lot less than what you pay for them. if nintendo had released more good games instead of the same franchises over and over, i may have been more interested but as it is, i got bored of my wii and sold it

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

1993-2002: Earthbound, Super Metroid, Super Mario World 2, Donkey Kong Country (2), Link's Awakening, Pokémon, Ocarina of Time, Goldeneye, Super Mario 64, Perfect Dark, Banjo-Kazooie, Advance Wars, Metroid Prime, The Wind Waker

2003-2011: Super Mario Galaxy..... Nintendogs?

Nintendogs wasn't TOO bad. I enjoyed it.

 

[Active Schizophrenic]

Stupid poll is stupid. Who cares about Nintendo's control scheme? they are STILL putting out the best games on consoles right now. Stop playing CoD on Xbox and go play Mario galaxy son.

 

[mjc0961]

Nintendo's quality is sure better than the quality of this thread. You title it "Nintendo's Quality" but then have a poll and OP relating to motion controls and 3D? That's called a bait and switch and is not appreciated. I was hoping for a discussion on the quality of Nintendo's stuff, and got another thread full of bickering about motion controls and 3D. Give your threads an accurate title next time!

 

[Waaghpowa]

All "Hardcore" gamers want is HD Graphics and blood, at least the casual market has some worth while wants like smooth gameplay, art style, aesthetics, all form a very unique gaming experience.

What I find funny is that the "Hardcore" group you refer to wanting only HD and blood are actually the casuals of the Xbox/PS3 generation as there are many who only enjoy it because it's "cool". Anecdote: Met this one guy who was trading in games because they weren't 1080p and he said "We don't live in the stone age, I want High def" to which I responded "You do realize your games AREN'T really in 1080 right? Even the ones that are formatted for 1080 only make up for about one third of the total games available". The point is that these people are just ignorant, and sadly it further stereotypes the intelligence of gamers on the console side.

The people you COULD label as hardcore, though I hesitate using that term, are people like myself who consider it more than just a pass time, but a hobby and understand that there's more to a game than High def, violence and graphics (please see Extra Credits: Graphics vs Aesthetics)

As far as my opinion on Nintendo goes, I like them. Aside from the fact that they keep pumping out these gimmicks, their legacy titles such as Mario, Metroid and Legend of Zelda, continue to be good. Or at least I love those games as I have yet to play a bad Legend of Zelda title.

 

[thepyrethatburns]

But a gaming company shouldn't be about money. They should be about the gamers. And about the fun in games!

And you should spend less time spending your money and time on gaming and more of both on charity.

Idealism is great but, in reality, things don't quite work out in an idealistic manner.

I think the real reason that Nintendo is such a lightning rod for user hate is due to the fact that the majority of people who religiously play all of the Kool Kidz library of games actually don't have very much skill outside of the FPS genre.

Logging on to Escapist just to talk about how "gay" Mario and Zelda are is probably just a roundabout way of saying "I suck ass at anything that isn't FPS"

I don't think it's that. Penny Arcade said it best way back in 2001.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2001/6/6/

For many gamers, being a gamer had become something that made them special. It was something they "got" and others didn't. Sure, there was talk about making the image of games more acceptable in society but this talk was never accompanied by talk of making gaming more accessible in society.

Then Nintendo decided (much like Sony did with the Playstation 1 when they began marketing gaming as "not just for basement dwellers) to go after the general public. All of a sudden, being a gamer wasn't something that made you part of an elite fraternity anymore. When someone's grandma is gaming, that person no longer had that special thing that he "got" and everyone else around him didn't.

To paraphrase Syndrome: "When everyone is special, then noone is".

And that's what happened with gamers. Now that everyone is a gamer, it is no longer special or unique to be one. They try to throw up qualifications such as Casual-Hardcore (and bear in mind that most of the gamers who are throwing these qualifications up are going through middle/high school.....a time when a lot of people are trying to establish some sense of individuality) in order to preserve the notion that what they do makes them unique but those false boundaries have been shattered.

This, to my mind, is why Nintendo gets a lot of hate. They threw open the clubhouse to everyone.

One last thing:

Hardcore gaming is when you actually work on attaining skill in a game rather than just sitting down and being able to do it.

If that were true, then gaming lost it's hardcore edge as soon as the first JRPG was created.

Noone cared about making such distinctions for games that didn't need skill so much as the willingness to grind. Making the distinction now is false reasoning.

And what is the problem with just being able to sit down and do it? I have unnaturally good aim. Thusly I was great at Time Crisis and other lightgun games from the start. Some people have better reflexes than others. Those people start off better at "twitch" games than the person whose talents are more for tactics and strategy games. Should we make false divisions for them as well?

For that matter, why does gaming need to be something that you NEED to work at in order to fit into this false definition? I'm 39 and I spend 40+ hours a week working as it is. Sometimes a Devil May Cry 3 challenge is good but, sometimes, I just want to kick back and play a Flower.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

it got old really quickly but that's just the way things are now, take a look at apple, they base their entire company on gimicky gadgets that are worth a lot less than what you pay for them. if nintendo had released more good games instead of the same franchises over and over, i may have been more interested but as it is, i got bored of my wii and sold it

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I'll now take a moment to discuss my dislike of Apple.

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JOKING! Apple's not bad. And it's true, they base a lot of stuff on gimmicky things. But people keep buying no matter how stupid everything sounds on paper.

Nintendo does the same thing and do sometimes surprise people. Project Cafe sound brilliant. Some people may say it sounds bad, but I can't wait to see. And maybe with SMT, the 3DS will surprise me.