Poll: No-kids-allowed movement. Yay or nay?

[claymoreguy18]

I'm a little on the fence about this policy. Yes there are places that shouldn't allow children however there should also be alternatives provided to them like an area that only allows children or their parents so that they can have fun with their children without the uptight businessman telling them they're too loud. And honestly we all know that its not just children that can be annoying I've met more adults piss me off than children.

 

[Stalydan]

I approve of this, but with some modifications. I'm not going to go on and say "BAN KIDS FROM ALL PARKS AND ALL CINEMAS AND ALL RESTAURANTS!", but maybe "Ban children from certain parks, all movies, even when accompanied by an adult, certain cinemas, and all restaurants that qualify as "Good" (Example: Not McDonalds)

Just gonna share a few stories.

13-14 hour flight from Hawaii back home to Adelaide? Babies crying for about half of it. And it was the half I should have been sleeping (tried to maintain a regular sleep pattern). I requested to be moved to another part of the plane, and when I was declined, asked the mother to (politely) please shut the baby up. She then raged at me about how I can't tell her to how to be a parent, and this is just the way her child is and blah blah blah. Wanker.

Annoying Question Child.
I go to see Dead Man's Chest (yes, this was a while ago, deal with it). "Who's that Mummy?" "That's Jack Sparrow" "Who's he?" "The Captain of the ship" "Why is he fighting people? Why does that guy have tentacles on his face?" SHUT UP KID!

AVCON
For all you Adelaid...ians? Adelaidians? That'll do... For all you Adelaidians who love AVCON, I was a volunteer there this year (last week) and I had a joyfully joyful experience of kids carrying around cosplay swords, and fighting each other with them. Some of those were solid... metal... steel I assume. That and kids "accidentally tripping over cords" (which is impossible because of the desk arrangement), taking the game out during play, coming into restricted areas and generally annoying me and some of the exhibitors, vendors, and VIPs. Should not be a place for children to go.

I can agree with the AVCON one because that sounds annoying. But a flight? Really? You want to ban children off flights?

 

[newwiseman]

It's really quite amusing to hear complaints that parents "should get their kids to behave". Just sit down, and ask your own mother how well-behaved you were age 6. Don't blame kids for doing what kids do, and are supposed to do.

On the whole though I can support places who feel that they'd make their customers happier by banning children. Variety and choice are good - as long as being child-unfriendly doesn't become the norm even more than it already is.

Whenever I misbehaved in public I got my ass spanked in front of everyone, wherever I happened to be, and it worked. Just sayin'.

 

[sageoftruth]

If I could, I'd happily erase kids from the face of the Earth. Still, I feel that there should definitely be standards and practices regarding the banning of kids from places. For one thing, my company has many poor clients, who simply cannot afford to hire a sitter, so this rule would cut them off from many places as well. My verdict is simply that if we are do go through with this act, we'll need to make sure it is carried out responsibly.

 

[Crystalgate]

Either people are over-reacting here or children are far louder in some other countries than in my country. I have rarely experienced that children are loud for an extended period of time in a cinema or a restaurant. Sure, sometimes they do get loud, but rarely for so long it's a real bother.

 

[Tommeh Brownleh]

Personally, I'm for a different sort of legislation. If someone brings a loud kid in, boot 'em. So long as the kid behaves, they're welcome in my book... but too many people don't raise their kids anymore, they just give their kids whatever they want in early development, teaching the kid that tantrums get them their desired results.
I say boot failed parents and their squalling brats to the curb, let 'em take their noise pollution on home... but banning all kids isn't the answer.

This.

 

[Silas13013]

I also vote that you have to be 18 before posting on the internet. I also vote that anyone who speaks in ebonics shouldn't be allowed in stores. I also feel if you you don't get A's in school and go to college you shouldn't be allowed to own a car since you aren't smart enough to drive. Also, this topic annoys me, you shouldn't be allowed to post on this forum anymore.

See how dumb this idea is?

Well shit, I didn't know you owned the internet, all the stores in the world, all the governments in the world, all the cars in the world, and the Escapist. What did you invest in?

The same place that you invested in that lets you think you can control another human's actions because it causes you a minor annoyance.

If you own a business you can't decide who you want to serve?

I'm replying to the OP, not you specifically. If you own a business then by all means make whatever rules you want. However, to suggest that parents shouldn't be able to bring their children on an airplane because it could annoy you is ridiculous. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough on that point.

Cheers

 

[RYjet911]

The thing I find funny is that I'm sure most of the people in this thread had parents who let them cry and cry and annoy the fuck out of people in public places.

It's just kids. Man up and blank out the crying like I do. I can enjoy a flight with a kid kicking the back of my chair, especially when I end up chucking my drink over the kid.
"Whoops! Guess you should be careful, kid, your kicking knocked my drink out my hands!"

 

[bruunwald]

I personally do not think such polls or decisions should be placed into the hands of the general age category haunting these boards. You all are in a very selfish, very self-centered time in your life, and you also happen to be amongst the most self-important generations of recent decades.

You are, witha few exceptions, patently unqualified to make decisions concerning children, especially the children of other people.

 

[messy]

Do companies still make money from those kids? Yes. Therefore I don't see this happening, especially not in the current economy.

Personally I'm against it, if the worst thing that happens to you one day is a kid is a bit noisy in a restaurant you've still had a pretty good day.

 

[Aesthetical Quietus]

I'm sort of in favor of it. There are too many kids running around nowadays that are little shits. The parents don't seem to care so this is an extreme move that I can only see gaining more traction.

 

[runnernda]

I don't agree with a ban. I'm apparently in the minority with this, but in general, I like kids. What I don't like, like others in the thread, is when a child starts fussing and ruining an experience for others, like at a movie or a show or something. There are a few solutions for this, I think. At my former Church, we had soundproof crying rooms, where the priest's voice was broadcast over the speaker inside. Parents could take their crying children there instead of disrupting Mass. The community theater I attend also provides free babysitting during the show, so parents can leave their children who are too young to enjoy the show with the babysitters and then go enjoy the show.

I understand on airplanes or trains or whatever. I think a crying room would suffice, but unless that's implemented, I understand that there's not a whole lot you can do with your child. But a show? I don't understand why a parent would bring a young child to something they won't enjoy and potentially ruin it for others. It just seems selfish to me.

 

[Jeans44]

There should just be a sign at the front door of most places that say "Control your children."

 

[intheweeds]

No. Parents have a difficult enough time trying to get out of the house already without having to find and pay for a sitter. Also, your whole annoying child only tactic doesn't seem like it could practically work, as it would be difficult to determine what constitutes as "annoying".

This exact type of entitlement is the problem. See people who CHOSE not to have children have a right to eat in peace or hear a movie being played without your kid screaming or running around or banging into their chair. You are showing a huge entitlement by suggesting people should put up with your children because you cant find or afford a sitter. YOU CHOSE TO HAVE KIDS. Now you have the consequence. I absolutely should not be forced to endure a child because of YOUR CHOICE. I don't know you and i don't care. The mere fact you have kids does not entitle you to annoy others. You want to bring your kid to dinner, then bring them to a child friendly place. Lots of places cater to you. If you don't like the food, find a sitter.

Some people (like me) can only afford to take their girlfriend to a nice restaurant once a year. It is hugely terrible and disappointing to have that ONE night destroyed because some jerk brought a five year old to a fine dining restaurant. Also it was really expensive. You probably didn't notice anyone else problem though, over your problem finding a sitter.

You have a duty as a human being in society to be respectful of others in a public setting and a responsibility as parent to teach your kid how to act in public.

What constitutes annoying is easy to determine, btw. If anyone staff or otherwise has anything at all to say to anyone about your child's behavior then they are annoying. If someone gives you a dirty offhand look, then your kid is annoying. End of story.

P.S. I have a daughter, its not like i don't know what your talking about, it was still MY CHOICE to do that and it is now MY RESPONSIBILITY to teach her not to be an ass in public.

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TLR - You chose to have a kid, don't put it on me now if you cant find a sitter. Your kid is not a special little snowflake, get over it and respect others nights out.

 

[crazyfills]

Don't want to sound offensive, but thats an ridiculous standpoint. If some one pays to go somewhere on the right side of the law. They just as mutch right to go to that place as you do!
You can't ban a certain age group from being on a flight because it might annoy you that is purely being ageist. Just think about it like this what if that same age group banned you from doing a specific activity would you be angry? the simple anser is Yes Doing this would be in many ways similar to what Hitler did to the jews when he stopped them going to any cinemas or riding bicycles that was done due to theire faith this would be done due to theire age seeing a similarities here?

 

[xmbts]

Okay, there's one...now how about you provide about a billion more examples and maybe that will matter.

And yeah kids have rights, because, you know, they happen to be human beings. Just because they don't enjoy many of the privileges of adulthood doesn't mean they aren't entitled to the same basic rights as you.

Honestly I don't know what's more childish, the notion that all kids are bratty noisemakers, or how big a deal you're making over having your moment spoiled because someone inadvertently irritated you by having the gall to exist in your presence.

Didn't I just prove to you that children do NOT have the same basic rights as I do? Voting's a basic right, isn't it? Choosing your own place of residence is a constitutional right in most modern societies; can a five year old pick where he wants to live? Does a pre-schooler have the right to seek gainful employment? Could you be any more obstinate?

Oh, and by the way, I realise that kids will be kids. But you know what you, as responsible parents, should do when you're in a restaurant or a movie theatre and your kid starts fucking up other people's evenings?

Apologise to the other patrons, try to get your kid to shut up PDQ, and if nothing helps, LEAVE.

What you should NOT do is defend your brat's right to show off its lack of proper manners over the rights of paying customers trying to have a nice evening after some hard work. It's called mother freaking COURTESY.

But then, the current generation of Western parents were already raised by their parents as entitled shits, so I guess that that's out of the window...

I'm not raging against kids, so you might want to pack your silly little strawman back in. I'm raging against dumb parents. You know what you are doing with your goody-two-shoes, passive-agressive spiel? Defending people's right to be rude, impolite arseholes. I'm defending the rights of people to enjoy an evening undisturbed. What's cute is that you think you're in the right.

*looks at poll numbers*

Looks like the vox populi's on my side, btw. Democracy ftw.

Children become full citizens, do you really want to show then that segregation is acceptable?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be disciplined I'm saying that actually banning them from places like this is dehumanizing.

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*looks at poll numbers*

Looks like the vox populi's on my side, btw. Democracy ftw."

*Slow clap*

Because being the majority makes you right?

Mass ignorance is still ignorance.

 

[Adventurer2626]

I'd put it this way. And my idea is only for movies and other similar situations. Hard to kick someone off a plane. Legally. Three strike rule for the parents/guardians. First, a warning. Second tell them to step outside and get their child(ren) under control. Third, goodbye. Good luck next time. It may seem unfair at first to the parent, but it really helps the annoying child in question that they opted to care for. They will learn discipline and that if they don't behave they won't get nice things.

I'd be against outright bans of any kind except to repeat offenders and to leave it up to the company in question.

 

[Darth Sea Bass]

Hell yes i'm in favour though personally i'm of the opinion that kids should be locked away somewhere until they can hold a decent conversation!

 

[Kieran Moore]

Legislation is not the answer. If a privately owned establishment wants to ban kids, more power too them. If the think that the profit they gain from families using their establishments is suitably offset by the profit they may lose having little sh*ts running wild, It's a good business decision.

 

[Kieran Moore]

Legislation is not the answer. If a privately owned establishment wants to ban kids, more power too them. If the think that the profit they gain from families using their establishments is suitably offset by the profit they may lose having little s***s running wild, It's a good business decision.