Poll: Nobody gets a complete version of LA Noir.

[hermes]

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

No, it's holding back content. Whether new games need it or not is debatable, but it's still denying content to paying customers.

So you're saying that iff they made this content specifically for something extra to put as an incentive for preorder, they're duty bounjd to release that for free to everyone because....what, exactly? What, are they supposed to include every single pice of work they put into this game, instead of what they think is worth full price? Dude, the game is a bargain at full price aqs it is. A small bit of extra content is a cherry on the top. And are you really saying if you don't get the Cherry, you should steal the cake?

Okay, let's say you go see a movie. This movie contains, say, 150 scenes. Google says this is the average, so we'll go with it.

However, when you see this movie, you only see 141 of these scenes. Every theater gets 140 of the same scenes, and one other. If you want to see the whole movie, you have to go to the theater ten times. Does that seem fair? These scenes aren't necessary, you don't need to see them.

And if you wait to buy the film on DVD, expecting all of them, you only get the 140, with no special scenes at all. But wait, they're selling them online, for five dollars each. Does that seem fair? After all, you still get the basic movie, this other stuff is extra. You don't need it, and if you really want it you can pay for it.

Horrible analogy. A movie is a strictly linear story. This is a sandbox game and none of those missions effect the main storyline.

Wrong. Movies are not strictly lineal and not all scenes hold the same importance. If you have seen most "deleted scenes" features in DVDs, you can see that some scenes, while cool and even informative, usually don't add that much to the storyline. The movie can be pretty much the same without that particular scene. Sidequests in sandbox games are the same... They usually help fill the world with extra details but, since they are optional, are designed so people don't miss them if they avoid them. To have the full experience, however, is not an option in this model.

Actually, the movie comparison has already happened. X-Men Origins had different post credit scenes on different theaters under the presumption that people would buy several tickets on different screenings to get all the scenes. If that sounds retarded (and quite iffy) to you, its because it was... it never worked because of a thing called youtube (and because nobody gives a crap about X-Men Origins after seeing it). Games don't have that chance, though.

I am not saying that is a justification for piracy, but to have extra (not cosmetic) content locked to a retailer, even when you bought it new, even when its the same game (we are not even talking about in which console works better... its the same disc) its a line I found sad some developers had crossed. Its not even different for them whether you buy your game on amazon, best buy, gamestop, steam or the local store, the retailers cut is always the same...

 

[Android2137]

It depends on what I'm getting deprived of and the context.

Exclusive this and exclusive that are fine with me provided that they are free downloads.

If the exclusive this and that I need to buy are small things like bonus weapons and armor, I'm fine with going without them.

If the exclusive this and that I need to buy are things like extra missions and teammates, I'll be miffed about having to buy them, but if I like what I see, odds are I'll cave. (Curse you, Kasumi Goto, you and your sense of humor and your ninja skills!)

If I must buy it simply because I don't have the correct console, then yes, I would be very upset. Probably to the point where I won't bother unless I hear lots and lots of good things about it...

 

[Ironic Pirate]

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

No, it's holding back content. Whether new games need it or not is debatable, but it's still denying content to paying customers.

So you're saying that iff they made this content specifically for something extra to put as an incentive for preorder, they're duty bounjd to release that for free to everyone because....what, exactly? What, are they supposed to include every single pice of work they put into this game, instead of what they think is worth full price? Dude, the game is a bargain at full price aqs it is. A small bit of extra content is a cherry on the top. And are you really saying if you don't get the Cherry, you should steal the cake?

Okay, let's say you go see a movie. This movie contains, say, 150 scenes. Google says this is the average, so we'll go with it.

However, when you see this movie, you only see 141 of these scenes. Every theater gets 140 of the same scenes, and one other. If you want to see the whole movie, you have to go to the theater ten times. Does that seem fair? These scenes aren't necessary, you don't need to see them.

And if you wait to buy the film on DVD, expecting all of them, you only get the 140, with no special scenes at all. But wait, they're selling them online, for five dollars each. Does that seem fair? After all, you still get the basic movie, this other stuff is extra. You don't need it, and if you really want it you can pay for it.

Horrible analogy. A movie is a strictly linear story. This is a sandbox game and none of those missions effect the main storyline.

A movie is not always a linear story, movies like Pulp Fiction are completely out of order. Also, in the article Rockstar never said if they would affect the plot or not. For all we know, it's the final mission.

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

No, it's holding back content. Whether new games need it or not is debatable, but it's still denying content to paying customers.

So you're saying that iff they made this content specifically for something extra to put as an incentive for preorder, they're duty bounjd to release that for free to everyone because....what, exactly? What, are they supposed to include every single pice of work they put into this game, instead of what they think is worth full price? Dude, the game is a bargain at full price aqs it is. A small bit of extra content is a cherry on the top. And are you really saying if you don't get the Cherry, you should steal the cake?

Okay, let's say you go see a movie. This movie contains, say, 150 scenes. Google says this is the average, so we'll go with it.

However, when you see this movie, you only see 141 of these scenes. Every theater gets 140 of the same scenes, and one other. If you want to see the whole movie, you have to go to the theater ten times. Does that seem fair? These scenes aren't necessary, you don't need to see them.

And if you wait to buy the film on DVD, expecting all of them, you only get the 140, with no special scenes at all. But wait, they're selling them online, for five dollars each. Does that seem fair? After all, you still get the basic movie, this other stuff is extra. You don't need it, and if you really want it you can pay for it.

Thats a completely awful analogy. What this is actually like is paying for deleted scenes on the special edition rerelease of the movie on DVD. The difference? Whereas with the movie you need to buy everything again just for the extra content, in this game you don't need to buy LA Noire all over again.

Nope. Deleted scenes are that, deleted. They are no longer canon, and have been removed from the plot, their inclusion is a bonus. This mission is an actual mission of the game, and it is being deliberately withheld for profit. When film-makers delete a scene, they don't think "Man, if we take this out people will totally have to buy the DVD to see it! Kaching!" They take it out for various reasons.

In fact, if I read the original article correctly, they didn't say they would definitely release the mission for Xbox. So not only would you have to play LA Noire again, you'd also have to buy a PS3. And for the other two, you'd have to pre-order it twice from two different stores. So we're looking at at least two game purchases and a PS3, which is several hundred dollars. And if you miss the pre-order window, you're out of luck.

 

[Jelly ^.^]

Meh, I'll just catch the train to Bondi and slap them for everyone.

 

[Carlston]

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

I kind see this whole thing as "If you pre-order before this game is reviewed and your told it sucks, we'll throw you a bone."

I still notice, Microsoft does exclusives ALL the time, KOTOR, Fable, yet when PS3 and SOny have one, everyone screams bloody murder...

 

[Ironic Pirate]

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

No, it's holding back content. Whether new games need it or not is debatable, but it's still denying content to paying customers.

So you're saying that iff they made this content specifically for something extra to put as an incentive for preorder, they're duty bounjd to release that for free to everyone because....what, exactly? What, are they supposed to include every single pice of work they put into this game, instead of what they think is worth full price? Dude, the game is a bargain at full price aqs it is. A small bit of extra content is a cherry on the top. And are you really saying if you don't get the Cherry, you should steal the cake?

Okay, let's say you go see a movie. This movie contains, say, 150 scenes. Google says this is the average, so we'll go with it.

However, when you see this movie, you only see 141 of these scenes. Every theater gets 140 of the same scenes, and one other. If you want to see the whole movie, you have to go to the theater ten times. Does that seem fair? These scenes aren't necessary, you don't need to see them.

And if you wait to buy the film on DVD, expecting all of them, you only get the 140, with no special scenes at all. But wait, they're selling them online, for five dollars each. Does that seem fair? After all, you still get the basic movie, this other stuff is extra. You don't need it, and if you really want it you can pay for it.

Thats a completely awful analogy. What this is actually like is paying for deleted scenes on the special edition rerelease of the movie on DVD. The difference? Whereas with the movie you need to buy everything again just for the extra content, in this game you don't need to buy LA Noire all over again.

Nope. Deleted scenes are that, deleted. They are no longer canon, and have been removed from the plot, their inclusion is a bonus. This mission is an actual mission of the game, and it is being deliberately withheld for profit. When film-makers delete a scene, they don't think "Man, if we take this out people will totally have to buy the DVD to see it! Kaching!" They take it out for various reasons.

No, thats exactly what this is - a mission that they felt wasn't quite as strong as the ones in the game but was still pretty good. The inclusion of these is obviously quite obviously a bonus, not something being witheld. It is not an "actual" mission in the game, its a bonus mission in the game.

You're saying the exact same behaviour is criminal when a game maker does it.

No, I'm not. The developers have given no indication this mission is non canon, or bonus in any way. If, in the actual game, the mission is accessible though a menu labelling it as bonus content, and it holds no bearing on the plot, I shall concede that I was wrong. Until that point in time, it is entirely reasonable of me to assume that this mission is a standard mission withheld to make a buck. And regardless, it's still not like a deleted scene. Deleted scenes are not advertised to be available at certain retailers only, deleted scenes don't require two purchases of the game and possibly a three hundred dollar system to view, and deleted scenes are not part of the movie proper.

 

[xXDeMoNiCXx]

Yeah, it pisses me off. Each time it happens (Batman: Arkham Asylum, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood), I keep feeling like it's the PS3 saying "You want this content? Well too bad! You didn't pay extra for the console that truly matters!"

Why the hate, PS3? Why?


[sub]Still getting the game, though. C'mon, it's L.A. Noire.[/sub]

All these complaints are moot when you remember all the stuff that 360 gets exclusively. That's just how it is.

 

[kickyourass]

God, I hate it when this happens, I don't really mind it if the bonus is something like multiplayer skins or even a fancy weapon (Usually), but mission packs? That's bullshit plain and simple, I don't mind if it's DLC cause at least then everyone gets a chance to get it but offering missions as pre-order bonuses while at the same time offering different missions to people who buy from different stores is kind of a dick move. I'm tempted to give the thousands of people who are going to pirate this game a free pass on this one.

 

[kickyourass]

It's not "holding back content" for you, it's giving a bonus for people who bought it new. It's incentive, and new games need it.

No, it's holding back content. Whether new games need it or not is debatable, but it's still denying content to paying customers.

So you're saying that iff they made this content specifically for something extra to put as an incentive for preorder, they're duty bounjd to release that for free to everyone because....what, exactly? What, are they supposed to include every single pice of work they put into this game, instead of what they think is worth full price? Dude, the game is a bargain at full price aqs it is. A small bit of extra content is a cherry on the top. And are you really saying if you don't get the Cherry, you should steal the cake?

Okay, let's say you go see a movie. This movie contains, say, 150 scenes. Google says this is the average, so we'll go with it.

However, when you see this movie, you only see 141 of these scenes. Every theater gets 140 of the same scenes, and one other. If you want to see the whole movie, you have to go to the theater ten times. Does that seem fair? These scenes aren't necessary, you don't need to see them.

And if you wait to buy the film on DVD, expecting all of them, you only get the 140, with no special scenes at all. But wait, they're selling them online, for five dollars each. Does that seem fair? After all, you still get the basic movie, this other stuff is extra. You don't need it, and if you really want it you can pay for it.

Thats a completely awful analogy. What this is actually like is paying for deleted scenes on the special edition rerelease of the movie on DVD. The difference? Whereas with the movie you need to buy everything again just for the extra content, in this game you don't need to buy LA Noire all over again.

Nope. Deleted scenes are that, deleted. They are no longer canon, and have been removed from the plot, their inclusion is a bonus. This mission is an actual mission of the game, and it is being deliberately withheld for profit. When film-makers delete a scene, they don't think "Man, if we take this out people will totally have to buy the DVD to see it! Kaching!" They take it out for various reasons.

No, thats exactly what this is - a mission that they felt wasn't quite as strong as the ones in the game but was still pretty good. The inclusion of these is obviously quite obviously a bonus, not something being witheld. It is not an "actual" mission in the game, its a bonus mission in the game.

You're saying the exact same behaviour is criminal when a game maker does it.

No, I'm not. The developers have given no indication this mission is non canon, or bonus in any way. If, in the actual game, the mission is accessible though a menu labelling it as bonus content, and it holds no bearing on the plot, I shall concede that I was wrong. Until that point in time, it is entirely reasonable of me to assume that this mission is a standard mission withheld to make a buck. And regardless, it's still not like a deleted scene. Deleted scenes are not advertised to be available at certain retailers only, deleted scenes don't require two purchases of the game and possibly a three hundred dollar system to view, and deleted scenes are not part of the movie proper.

This is a fucking sandbox game! Every mission that isn't a direct story mission (and thus one that makes the game unwinnable if it is not played) is non-canon and holds no bearing on the plot. There is no way this could be integral to the plot.

No, deleted scenes just require five seperate purchases of the same movie over a 3 year period.

Mind if I ask how you know that it isn't a story mission?

 

[KalosCast]

I can't figure out why I'm supposed to be interested in this game anyway. I mean, it's made by Rockstar "Your mom hates us" Games, who usually makes a quality product, but why is everyone shitting their pants over this?

I mean "grr, how dare they reverse the usual trend by giving PS3 owners more content this time!? This is clearly a conspiracy to destroy the very foundations of video games"

 

[tzimize]

I'm not really interested in L.A. Noire either way.