Poll: Non-Heterosexuality: A Possibly Unpopular Opinion
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I'm gay and have been out of the closet for a very long time and be damned will I get back IN to the closet because of some tedious hatemonger. I guarantee that no one online can come up with something that I have never heard in person and while it might have been alarming and frightening when confronted with face to face bigotry that did not put me in the closet either.
If I come to a site like the Escapist, or a movie site or a sci fi site or any other of my interests, I tend not to announce with a fanfare. But if it comes up as a subject in a conversation or if I am directly asked I will not lie. It is a part of me, but not the whole part. It is not a secret and I will not sit in silence.
If I come to a site like the Escapist, or a movie site or a sci fi site or any other of my interests, I tend not to announce with a fanfare. But if it comes up as a subject in a conversation or if I am directly asked I will not lie. It is a part of me, but not the whole part. It is not a secret and I will not sit in silence.
Agreed. My devil's advocate is not intended to derail, but serves only to relate the topic to other controversial sexual activities. It's merely to distinguish sexual discrimination from other types, and should be considered a rhetorical question.bobknowsall said:
I dont think people should button up and make out their straight, but theres no reason for them to walk around saying "I am gay I am gay hooray!", just like theres no reason for straight people to walk around shouting about how straight they are.
My brothers gay and when friends of mine find out they say "Really? Oh" Most of them dont know if he is but are fine with it when they find out.
My brothers gay and when friends of mine find out they say "Really? Oh" Most of them dont know if he is but are fine with it when they find out.
I say if they want to keep it to themselves, fine, if they don't fine, I accept people no matter who they are into well except pedo's and children and furrys. >_> I've had a lot of friends come out of the closet online expecting me to be mad, I had one friend make my other friend tell me, all I did was ok...? So what?
Would be nice if we could just not give a shit about eachothers sexuality, but I won't claim that anything "should be" a certain way.
I don't have a problem with whatever you do in your own bedroom. But when you want special recognition for something, then there is a problem. Get over yourselves, your gay not god! Just because you sleep with the same gender DOESN'T make you smarter, better, more understanding and open, or deserving of anything. You can blame homophobia everytime you turn around but at some point you'll have to admit people just don't like attention whores.
No, not really.
People should just deal with it. My dad is like me, be gay and go do your gay thing just don't be hitting on me - well you can but I'll have to let you down gently.
Meh, the other Forum im on, Club bleach, people are open about but no one really gives a fuck and I don't see why we should
People should just deal with it. My dad is like me, be gay and go do your gay thing just don't be hitting on me - well you can but I'll have to let you down gently.
Meh, the other Forum im on, Club bleach, people are open about but no one really gives a fuck and I don't see why we should
Keeping details about yourself secret online is always a smart option regardless of what they are. I sure as hell ain't going to tell everybody online I voted for these people, and these are my bank details, this is where I work .... so on and so forth.
Sexuality is one of those 'taboo' things that rampages around the internet like an enraged bull however and personally I find it depressing.
I don't care if somebody is LGBT ... I couldn't give a rat's arse if a friend is gay/bisexual trans/etc. Why? Because they were gay before I was friends with them, they'll be gay after I drift away o/s and stop being a friend to them (yes, I'm one of those people that can't maintain long distance relationships of any sort), and frankly I'm not interested in them beyond being friends (that and crossdressing on occasion is fun when you have gay friends and want to hang out with them one saturday night >:]).
That being said ... if a close friend said they were gay, and I had known them for years and they have known they were gay for years, I probably wouldn't be so close to them. But that's purely because I'd be kinda hurt that I considered them to be a close friend, but they didn't trust me enough to open up until just now ... because I pride myself on my mantra of keeping things told in confidence of secrecy secret regardless of who it is .... (even if I had a severe dislike of the person in which confidential material concerning the individual was availed to me by word of mouth).
That being said ... it depends on what type of 'online' we're talking about.
The internet isn't all the same thing. From a technological standpoint it is, but to the various audiences that go into it, it is not.
For example ... online shooters ... WHY THE HELL WOULD SEXUALITY BE AN ISSUE IN A SHOOTER? Sure you get insults thrown about someone's sexuality, but people having a tantrum about it on mic when the game's chat system should be exclusively refrained too "That's what happens when you noobtube ... sow the wind asshole" and "they're camping at X", or the like.
Personally it bugs the hell out of me ...when I'm gaming, I want to talk shit ... and in return I get it thrown back at me 2 minutes later. But one game ... it was unbearable. 'So what if i'm gay?' I think was a response to someone's comments .... which, suffice to say to anybody whose played any online shooter with voicechat enabled, concluded with a torrent of 13 year old and redneck assholes talking in a manner which I will only dub as 'XBL dialect'.
My comments aren't nice ... but it's more 'sledging' than insults ... reserved to noobtubers and campers when you clocked them, and personallyt I will never use homosexual rhetoric (like the F-word we are acquainted with so completely online) ... especially since '*****' and 'noob' are somewhat slightly more based in reality. But the homophobic reaction...
So, to end my rant prematurely, yes ... there are idiots out there .... yes most of them are probably 13 year olds or rednecks ... no they will never EVER change ... and yes, depoending on what forum (such as online games) LGBT internet goers perhaps shouldn't say anything for the sake of everybody's enjoyment.
That may sound harsh, but trust me ... you're playing a game to enjoy yourself ... and you should be secure in the knowledge that 90% of the people that will be talking crap will probably get their mouths washed with soap the day their mommy catches them trashtalking.
Sexuality is one of those 'taboo' things that rampages around the internet like an enraged bull however and personally I find it depressing.
I don't care if somebody is LGBT ... I couldn't give a rat's arse if a friend is gay/bisexual trans/etc. Why? Because they were gay before I was friends with them, they'll be gay after I drift away o/s and stop being a friend to them (yes, I'm one of those people that can't maintain long distance relationships of any sort), and frankly I'm not interested in them beyond being friends (that and crossdressing on occasion is fun when you have gay friends and want to hang out with them one saturday night >:]).
That being said ... if a close friend said they were gay, and I had known them for years and they have known they were gay for years, I probably wouldn't be so close to them. But that's purely because I'd be kinda hurt that I considered them to be a close friend, but they didn't trust me enough to open up until just now ... because I pride myself on my mantra of keeping things told in confidence of secrecy secret regardless of who it is .... (even if I had a severe dislike of the person in which confidential material concerning the individual was availed to me by word of mouth).
That being said ... it depends on what type of 'online' we're talking about.
The internet isn't all the same thing. From a technological standpoint it is, but to the various audiences that go into it, it is not.
For example ... online shooters ... WHY THE HELL WOULD SEXUALITY BE AN ISSUE IN A SHOOTER? Sure you get insults thrown about someone's sexuality, but people having a tantrum about it on mic when the game's chat system should be exclusively refrained too "That's what happens when you noobtube ... sow the wind asshole" and "they're camping at X", or the like.
Personally it bugs the hell out of me ...when I'm gaming, I want to talk shit ... and in return I get it thrown back at me 2 minutes later. But one game ... it was unbearable. 'So what if i'm gay?' I think was a response to someone's comments .... which, suffice to say to anybody whose played any online shooter with voicechat enabled, concluded with a torrent of 13 year old and redneck assholes talking in a manner which I will only dub as 'XBL dialect'.
My comments aren't nice ... but it's more 'sledging' than insults ... reserved to noobtubers and campers when you clocked them, and personallyt I will never use homosexual rhetoric (like the F-word we are acquainted with so completely online) ... especially since '*****' and 'noob' are somewhat slightly more based in reality. But the homophobic reaction...
So, to end my rant prematurely, yes ... there are idiots out there .... yes most of them are probably 13 year olds or rednecks ... no they will never EVER change ... and yes, depoending on what forum (such as online games) LGBT internet goers perhaps shouldn't say anything for the sake of everybody's enjoyment.
That may sound harsh, but trust me ... you're playing a game to enjoy yourself ... and you should be secure in the knowledge that 90% of the people that will be talking crap will probably get their mouths washed with soap the day their mommy catches them trashtalking.
It's hardly like you don't see heterosexual 'fags'
You see big ol' football players yelling out 'YEAH, CHICKS AND BEER!'
There is no homosexual or heterosexual lifestyle, just people with massive ego's trying to make a personality out of said sexuality.
Slightly more OT: Let heterosexuals and homosexuals do what they want...[small]unless it's fucking stupid[/small].
You see big ol' football players yelling out 'YEAH, CHICKS AND BEER!'
There is no homosexual or heterosexual lifestyle, just people with massive ego's trying to make a personality out of said sexuality.
Slightly more OT: Let heterosexuals and homosexuals do what they want...[small]unless it's fucking stupid[/small].
Lads, I won't have trans-bashing in my thread. If you want to rant about how much you hate transgender people and furries, go elsewhere.Hopeless Bastard said:
I don't really care as to the orientation of someone's sexuality unless they demand to throw it into my face. I've had very camp friends and teachers, and it only made me uncomfortable when they started making me uncomfortable when the started exhibiting behaviour that wouldn't be tolerated by a straight teacher to a pupil of the opposite sex, for example.
Same applies to the internet: I don't go around making passes at every girl I come across, or make threads about being heterosexual or anything - and if I did, it wouldn't be tolerated for long. If you slant the other way, why should you be treated any differently? There are places on the internet that cater to those sort of discussions: not everywhere needs to.
That's not to say that any relevant point regarding your sexual preferences should be censored, just the sort of 'I'm different' bashing that the OP was talking about (I think, heh).
If you do feel the need to be overt about your differences, be prepared to defend them and to face attacks from those who differ in opinion, just as with all things, from politics to choice of console.
[sub]That's a 'yes' to the poll, btw - not suppressing or censoring, just taking responsibility.[/sub]
Same applies to the internet: I don't go around making passes at every girl I come across, or make threads about being heterosexual or anything - and if I did, it wouldn't be tolerated for long. If you slant the other way, why should you be treated any differently? There are places on the internet that cater to those sort of discussions: not everywhere needs to.
That's not to say that any relevant point regarding your sexual preferences should be censored, just the sort of 'I'm different' bashing that the OP was talking about (I think, heh).
If you do feel the need to be overt about your differences, be prepared to defend them and to face attacks from those who differ in opinion, just as with all things, from politics to choice of console.
[sub]That's a 'yes' to the poll, btw - not suppressing or censoring, just taking responsibility.[/sub]
People don't, and I believe shouldn't say their sexual preferences online, whether it be straight, gay, bi, lesbian, asexual, or whatever; if it's a topic about it, sure, but any other way just seems silly.
Even so, it shouldn't matter what a person who is far away and talking to you through a computer screen has to say about your lifestyle.
Even so, it shouldn't matter what a person who is far away and talking to you through a computer screen has to say about your lifestyle.
Nice save there. The whole "Don't go hitting on me" thing always bothered me, because it's like a latent sort of discrimination. But yeah, saying "I'm not interested" gets the point across just fine. There's no need to overreact, right?Kenni-chan said:
My opinion is that free speech is a double edged sword. You have the right to flaunt your sexuality, but people have the right to share their opinion on it. Depending on the community the backlash can go either way. This is perfectly fine, and the way it should be.
It's just like me sharing some of my more interesting opinions. Just like I feel I have the right to express myself, I feel people have the right to do the same in return. I've never officially reported anyone in all the time I've been online so far even when I've been flamed (I'm a big boy, I can handle it).
One thing I will point out though is that I'd be careful on calling people you disagree with on certain subjects "ignorant" as that tends to imply that you are just as close minded in your own belief that they are wrong, making you just as ignorant in your own way. It's a very, very rare thing where such statements can stand, and that includes subjects like sexual orientation. Simply put even if your experiences are differant someone speaking from their experiences is by definition not speaking from a position of ignorance even if you disagree.
I feel one of the major problems with politics today is that there is actually a middle ground for many issues, but both sides are tugging for an "all or nothing" victory. Granted there are some issues that are beyond any kind of compromise, but very few of them, especially when dealing with social problems.
It's just like me sharing some of my more interesting opinions. Just like I feel I have the right to express myself, I feel people have the right to do the same in return. I've never officially reported anyone in all the time I've been online so far even when I've been flamed (I'm a big boy, I can handle it).
One thing I will point out though is that I'd be careful on calling people you disagree with on certain subjects "ignorant" as that tends to imply that you are just as close minded in your own belief that they are wrong, making you just as ignorant in your own way. It's a very, very rare thing where such statements can stand, and that includes subjects like sexual orientation. Simply put even if your experiences are differant someone speaking from their experiences is by definition not speaking from a position of ignorance even if you disagree.
I feel one of the major problems with politics today is that there is actually a middle ground for many issues, but both sides are tugging for an "all or nothing" victory. Granted there are some issues that are beyond any kind of compromise, but very few of them, especially when dealing with social problems.
My answer is yes.
I voted "no."
There's a reason for that. My advice to homosexuals on the internet (since we're pretending you asked) is to keep it quiet unless you're ready for the consequences. This is just common sense; the world can be unfriendly sometimes, so don't invite negative attention if you're a thin-skinned sort of person.
But this thread is not about personal advice, it's more of a general policy for the community as a whole. For us to get together and declare that homosexuals should stay semi-closeted for their own good sends entirely the wrong message. As meaganmeave put it:
I voted "no."
There's a reason for that. My advice to homosexuals on the internet (since we're pretending you asked) is to keep it quiet unless you're ready for the consequences. This is just common sense; the world can be unfriendly sometimes, so don't invite negative attention if you're a thin-skinned sort of person.
But this thread is not about personal advice, it's more of a general policy for the community as a whole. For us to get together and declare that homosexuals should stay semi-closeted for their own good sends entirely the wrong message. As meaganmeave put it:
On another note, I'm going to formally request that you (OP) never, ever use the word "netizens" again. Just...no.meganmeave said:
It shouldn't matter, but it does affect some people quite horribly, and they're the kind of people who might want to keep quiet about their sexuality online.Slash Dementia said:
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there, yeah. I don't believe that people should be censored for having a non-heterosexual orientation, but that they might want to avoid mentioning it among people who might be abusive about it.Wicky_42 said:
I'm not declaring anything. I'm just discussing the choice that some people might choose to make. I'm not ordering anyone to do anything. I'm just airing some of my views, and trying to generate discussion.Veret said:
(Yeah, I'll not use that word again. XD)
I sort of agree, in many forums saying your gay or anything like that gets you some heat, but some places(like here) you can say shit like that and no one cares unless it is directly relevant to the topic, and even then its always civil.