Poll: Non Veggies...Prepare your rebuttals
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This is kind of off topic, but one question I've always had about vegetarians is whether they consider it ok for carnivores such as bears and lions to eat meat. Because, when you think about it, humans are just omnivores. We're designed to eat meat just like bears and lions, it's just that we can also eat plants. Eating meat is a part of the natural world.
As many people have said, the cat was killed as a joke, and it was burned to death.
I understand that slaughterhouse processes are inhumane, (that link says it's bleeding to death through the throat, not a nail through the skull) and although I eat that meat, I can definitely understand people who don't for that reason. Eating meat as sustenance, however, is just a part of nature.
I understand that slaughterhouse processes are inhumane, (that link says it's bleeding to death through the throat, not a nail through the skull) and although I eat that meat, I can definitely understand people who don't for that reason. Eating meat as sustenance, however, is just a part of nature.
Why am I not a Vegetarian?
Cause as a human I am omnivorous and I can eat whatever the fuck I want be it plant or animal.
It goes against nature for humans to be vegetarians, if humans were supposed to eat only plants we wouldnt have canines and incisors meant for biting off hunks of flesh from carcases.
Cause as a human I am omnivorous and I can eat whatever the fuck I want be it plant or animal.
It goes against nature for humans to be vegetarians, if humans were supposed to eat only plants we wouldnt have canines and incisors meant for biting off hunks of flesh from carcases.
Firstly, animal rights...
I believe in animal rights...to an extent. Kind of. See, most serial killers start out by killing animals for kicks, and them move up. This kind of shows that we think about animals having human characteristics to an extent. How we treat animals reflects how we treat humans, since both feel pain, it is just a matter of self awareness. So casual cruelty is wrong, and at least some care should be given to treating animals humanely. However, needs of the self-aware part of the population trump the non self-aware, so we still gotta eat, and that's fine. We eat cows and pigs because we breed them for it, and at least show the respect of killing quick. But animals like dogs and cats in the western world are around specifically to be a sort of stand in for human beings. Technically, torturing a dog isn't exactly wrong, but it shows some pretty serious problems in your head. But in those places where there thought of as food first, eating them is fine. Of course, this rather significant cultural gap leads to a bit of tension, since no one anywhere would eat a pet. If a pig were treated as a pet by a family, I bet that that family would not eat the pig when it died. But I am unaware of any serious attempt to stop other cultures from eating the animals of there choice, excepting endangered animals. Sometimes, a cultural gap should be accepted, not crossed. So in essence, killing a chicken is not as bad as killing a dog not because of the animal, but what it says about the human doing the killing.
The second part is a lot simpler. I would be mostly vegetarian in theory, there's vegetarian dishes that taste like there meat counterpart. There's 3 reasons why the big switch doesn't happen. First off, there is a taste difference, especially depending on the dish. Its been bridged enough so I would normally only eatnormal meat occasionally, but its still there. Secondly is that humans have been programmed to love meat. Early, hunter gatherer humans would benefit from eating as much meat as it possibly could. As much as we possibly could amounts to much, much less then we eat today. We would occasionally get lucky, and it would be in our benefit to eat a large amount of delicious red meat which provided us with a lot of wonderful, life giving calories. Nowadays though, we don't have to be lucky to get meat. Our diet has evolved much faster then out dietary desires have. I'm sure that Humans will evolve and adapt, and become much closer to vegetarians, and vegetables will be the most appealing part of what we eat. That spinach will look far more delicious then that prime rib. And it will only take a few million years. But the absolute biggest reason were not all eating vegan chicken instead of real chicken, by far, is simple economics. I recently bought some vegan chicken nuggets for lunch. They were very good. They were also about 6 Ounces for 4 bucks. That night, I bought some real chicken from the meat department. Pound of chicken was a little under 2 bucks. So yeah, generally, I will go with the real chicken. I have no choice.
I believe in animal rights...to an extent. Kind of. See, most serial killers start out by killing animals for kicks, and them move up. This kind of shows that we think about animals having human characteristics to an extent. How we treat animals reflects how we treat humans, since both feel pain, it is just a matter of self awareness. So casual cruelty is wrong, and at least some care should be given to treating animals humanely. However, needs of the self-aware part of the population trump the non self-aware, so we still gotta eat, and that's fine. We eat cows and pigs because we breed them for it, and at least show the respect of killing quick. But animals like dogs and cats in the western world are around specifically to be a sort of stand in for human beings. Technically, torturing a dog isn't exactly wrong, but it shows some pretty serious problems in your head. But in those places where there thought of as food first, eating them is fine. Of course, this rather significant cultural gap leads to a bit of tension, since no one anywhere would eat a pet. If a pig were treated as a pet by a family, I bet that that family would not eat the pig when it died. But I am unaware of any serious attempt to stop other cultures from eating the animals of there choice, excepting endangered animals. Sometimes, a cultural gap should be accepted, not crossed. So in essence, killing a chicken is not as bad as killing a dog not because of the animal, but what it says about the human doing the killing.
The second part is a lot simpler. I would be mostly vegetarian in theory, there's vegetarian dishes that taste like there meat counterpart. There's 3 reasons why the big switch doesn't happen. First off, there is a taste difference, especially depending on the dish. Its been bridged enough so I would normally only eatnormal meat occasionally, but its still there. Secondly is that humans have been programmed to love meat. Early, hunter gatherer humans would benefit from eating as much meat as it possibly could. As much as we possibly could amounts to much, much less then we eat today. We would occasionally get lucky, and it would be in our benefit to eat a large amount of delicious red meat which provided us with a lot of wonderful, life giving calories. Nowadays though, we don't have to be lucky to get meat. Our diet has evolved much faster then out dietary desires have. I'm sure that Humans will evolve and adapt, and become much closer to vegetarians, and vegetables will be the most appealing part of what we eat. That spinach will look far more delicious then that prime rib. And it will only take a few million years. But the absolute biggest reason were not all eating vegan chicken instead of real chicken, by far, is simple economics. I recently bought some vegan chicken nuggets for lunch. They were very good. They were also about 6 Ounces for 4 bucks. That night, I bought some real chicken from the meat department. Pound of chicken was a little under 2 bucks. So yeah, generally, I will go with the real chicken. I have no choice.
I'm sure the way you described is how Halal meat is prepared, but I may have got that wrong.
It's the food chain. No one cares when one animal eats another.
Animal abuse is sick and disgusting.
It's the food chain. No one cares when one animal eats another.
Animal abuse is sick and disgusting.
Being a vegetarian is unhealthy. We are omnivores for a reason.Molten Water said:
Don't give me that crap that eating meat makes you fat. Anyone with a brain knows that eating a slice of meat does not instantly turn you into a blob of blubber.
Not wanting an animal to be harmed is a good thing in my opinion. But remember that some of these animals won't even have experienced life if we didn't grow them to eat them. Killing them in the most painless way is what I want, and for them to have had a good life beforehand, which is why I buy free-range food.
Cats are declared off limits by the "rule of cute" a thing unique to "developed" cultures. The more we like the appearance and being around the animal, the less likely we are to eat it. Eventually, it becomes a cultural thing.
To me, it's because cat doesn't really look like it tastes good, and frankly any small animal is a pain because of all the little bones and small meat value, chicken and sea animals being an exception there. Of course, if I'm not the one cooking it, it does taste good, and it doesn't cost any more, I'm willing to overlook those complaints.
Truthfully, there are only two kinds of meat that truly disgust me: Rockey Mountain Oysters (too much empathy... can't stand to eat that), and Duck (tried it, fucking hated it).
To me, it's because cat doesn't really look like it tastes good, and frankly any small animal is a pain because of all the little bones and small meat value, chicken and sea animals being an exception there. Of course, if I'm not the one cooking it, it does taste good, and it doesn't cost any more, I'm willing to overlook those complaints.
Truthfully, there are only two kinds of meat that truly disgust me: Rockey Mountain Oysters (too much empathy... can't stand to eat that), and Duck (tried it, fucking hated it).
I haven't heard anything about this nor do I care, but if you think walking me through all of what happens to animals who are killed in slaughter houses is going to make me change my mind you are sadly mistaken. The simple reason is that I am a very primal kind of man. I enjoy competitions of strength, weaponry of many kinds, though mainly swords,spears, and other things that if you fight someone else with you can accurately gauge the power of the two competitors, as well as meat. The eating of meat can be interpereted as mans assertion over the creatures that once caused us to fear and distress. This doesn't necessarily mean that I JUST eat meat. I also recognise that as an omnivore, humans are desined and indeed supposed to eat BOTH meat and plants.
You're a vegetarian?
In that case, go grab a set of pliers. Take out those Incisors and Canines. You won't be needing those! And what's that? Is that a highly evolved brain? One that evolved due to meat consumption? Get rid of that as well! You're a vegetarian, so you'll want nothing to do with those!
...Yeah, that's my rebuttal. But I DO have a point. The only reason humans are intelligent as they are today is because our Australopithecus ancestors ate meat. Besides, meat is tasty.
In that case, go grab a set of pliers. Take out those Incisors and Canines. You won't be needing those! And what's that? Is that a highly evolved brain? One that evolved due to meat consumption? Get rid of that as well! You're a vegetarian, so you'll want nothing to do with those!
...Yeah, that's my rebuttal. But I DO have a point. The only reason humans are intelligent as they are today is because our Australopithecus ancestors ate meat. Besides, meat is tasty.
I'm getting real tired of vegetarians and their Hezbollah-esque militant faction, the vegans making this argument.
Western society does not eat carnivorous animals such as cats and dogs.
1.They taste bad. Very few wild animals will eat another carnivore. Kill yes, eat no.
2.They do not provide as many nutrients as herbivorous animals do. Proteins from both animal and what animal eats.
3.Carnivores digestive systems are shorter because it takes less time and energy to convert meat to, well meat. This spare energy means that carnivores spend more time actively hunting which creates muscles mass and a leaner animal which in turn means tougher, chewier meat.
4. They are harder to domesticate on a large scale. I try you to try and herd cats.
5. Cows, chicken, and pigs are bred for consumption cats and dogs are not.
The consumption of meat provides proteins that are crucial to the development of the brain.
Now, if you would like to convince people that the food we eat should be cared for in a more humane and clean manner, I'm all for it.
Western society does not eat carnivorous animals such as cats and dogs.
1.They taste bad. Very few wild animals will eat another carnivore. Kill yes, eat no.
2.They do not provide as many nutrients as herbivorous animals do. Proteins from both animal and what animal eats.
3.Carnivores digestive systems are shorter because it takes less time and energy to convert meat to, well meat. This spare energy means that carnivores spend more time actively hunting which creates muscles mass and a leaner animal which in turn means tougher, chewier meat.
4. They are harder to domesticate on a large scale. I try you to try and herd cats.
5. Cows, chicken, and pigs are bred for consumption cats and dogs are not.
The consumption of meat provides proteins that are crucial to the development of the brain.
Now, if you would like to convince people that the food we eat should be cared for in a more humane and clean manner, I'm all for it.
